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Who was the best president of the last ten

Who was the best

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Bill would be part of the package with Hillary, for better or worse. Hillary's time has come and gone. 24 years since 1992 and the years in Arkansas politically have taken their toll on her. Repubs are licking their chops at the prospect.
VanceMack said:
Thats what made Clinton such a good president. He had the morals of a rat, but from an executive role, he was very good and very good for the country. He knew when to fight the GOP and when to go along. He was also masterful at both blaming the other side for passing reforms (like welfare) and then later taking credit for it. The man had skilz. I'd take him back tomorrow.
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NIMBY said:
Why wouldn't that be that Reagan was like a JFK-Dem since JFK came first? And yes, JFK was socially conservative, except with his own personal behavior. He didn't come around on civil rights quickly either, like Reagan. JFK may not be great to some, but he belongs in the poll, that's all.
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Sure...same difference. Reagan was a JFK democrat. (that will piss off the kids...)
 
falcata said:
Give me a source to prove your claim please.
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the quote is used in the 1951 movie, "The Desert Fox: The Story of Rommel" staring James Mason, and the quote is spoken by the actor ..Leo G. Carroll.

however the quote is " victory has a 100 fathers ,defeat is an orphan"

in 1951 JFK as a lone congressman, and not widely known.
 
All 44 are unique, the magic of our system. With 4 murders changing our time lines, especially with T. Roosevelt and LBJ.
VanceMack said:
Sure...same difference. Reagan was a JFK democrat. (that will piss off the kids...)
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ernst barkmann said:
the quote is used in the 1951 movie, "The Desert Fox: The Story of Rommel" staring James Mason, and the quote is spoken by the actor ..Leo G. Carroll.

however the quote is " victory has a 100 fathers ,defeat is an orphan"

in 1951 JFK as a lone congressman, and not widely known.
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Thank you very much, I appreciate it.
 
Juiposa said:
The statement I made was hyperbolic. Gorbachev had everything to do with the USSR's collapse. Reagan's policies would have never lead to the USSR's collapse, maybe its weakening as a global power, but not its collapse.
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Which is why he was as critical to its collapse as Gorbachev. They needed each other.
 
VanceMack said:
Thats what made Clinton such a good president. He had the morals of a rat, but from an executive role, he was very good and very good for the country. He knew when to fight the GOP and when to go along. He was also masterful at both blaming the other side for passing reforms (like welfare) and then later taking credit for it. The man had skilz. I'd take him back tomorrow.
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That's what you want in a President? Someone with the morals of a rat, and otherwise a rubber stamp populist? What if he had come along during a tough time instead of an easy time? How would he have dealt with terrorism or recession? Ignored it while he sexually harassed his staff? Went along with whatever the 'neocons' in congress wanted?

Its sad to see so much worship for Clinton. He was a womanizer, who harassed women, illegaly, and then lied to us and the courts about it. He accomplished basically nothing while in office. He didn't pass healthcare, he didn't really have any challenges while in office. His accomplishment is basically being present during the tech boom. Obama is FAR more successful than Clinton (which is not a good thing in my opinion).
 
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jonny5 said:
That's what you want in a President? Someone with the morals of a rat, and otherwise a rubber stamp populist? What if he had come along during a tough time instead of an easy time? How would he have dealt with terrorism or recession? Ignored it while he sexually harassed his staff? Went along with whatever the 'neocons' in congress wanted?

Its sad to see so much worship for Clinton. He was a womanizer, who harassed women, illegaly, and then lied to us and the courts about it. He accomplished basically nothing while in office. He didn't pass healthcare, he didn't really have any challenges while in office. His accomplishment is basically being present during the tech boom. Obama is FAR more successful than Clinton (which is not a good thing in my opinion).
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The part in red is true. And he takes credit for it, and people fawn all over him for it.

But, fact is, it was going to happen anyway regardless who was in the oval office at the time, and whoever that was was going to benefit from it.

If it sounds like I'm criticizing him, I'm not. I'm praising him. Most politicians would have wanted to do something and put their stamp on it. He was smart enough to leave it alone and let it do its thing. Sometimes good governing is what you don't do, rather than what you do do.
 
radcen said:
The part in red is true. And he takes credit for it, and people fawn all over him for it.

But, fact is, it was going to happen anyway regardless who was in the oval office at the time, and whoever that was was going to benefit from it.

If it sounds like I'm criticizing him, I'm not. I'm praising him. Most politicians would have wanted to do something and put their stamp on it. He was smart enough to leave it alone and let it do its thing. Sometimes good governing is what you don't do, rather than what you do do.
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But on the contrary he fought the Republicans on reforming govt and the budget when we had the good times to do so. He didn't want balanced budgets, he wanted more spending.
 
jonny5 said:
That's what you want in a President? Someone with the morals of a rat, and otherwise a rubber stamp populist? What if he had come along during a tough time instead of an easy time? How would he have dealt with terrorism or recession? Ignored it while he sexually harassed his staff? Went along with whatever the 'neocons' in congress wanted?

Its sad to see so much worship for Clinton. He was a womanizer, who harassed women, illegaly, and then lied to us and the courts about it. He accomplished basically nothing while in office. He didn't pass healthcare, he didn't really have any challenges while in office. His accomplishment is basically being present during the tech boom. Obama is FAR more successful than Clinton (which is not a good thing in my opinion).
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Frankly...I dont give half a damn about his 'morals'. I dont need them, and I dont need him to teach my family. Thats my role. I need my president to be an effective leader and commander in chief. I need him or her to not be responsible for adding 6 trillion in debt and then 8 in 5 years ala Bush and Obama. I need them to be able to work effectively with congress and the world leaders. If his wife wants to let him **** around on her for 30 years...thats fine. Now...I DO have a problem with the rape and sexual assault/harassment charges, but since they have been discharged...c'est la vie.

I need my president to be a president...not a saint.
 
jonny5 said:
Obama is FAR more successful than Clinton (which is not a good thing in my opinion).
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Did your keyboard just melt when you typed that or did it literally catch fire?
 
VanceMack said:
Frankly...I dont give half a damn about his 'morals'. I dont need them, and I dont need him to teach my family. Thats my role. I need my president to be an effective leader and commander in chief. I need him or her to not be responsible for adding 6 trillion in debt and then 8 in 5 years ala Bush and Obama. I need them to be able to work effectively with congress and the world leaders. If his wife wants to let him **** around on her for 30 years...thats fine. Now...I DO have a problem with the rape and sexual assault/harassment charges, but since they have been discharged...c'est la vie.

I need my president to be a president...not a saint.
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Some would say that without some semblance of morals, it would be literally impossible for them to be an effective leader.
 
radcen said:
Some would say that without some semblance of morals, it would be literally impossible for them to be an effective leader.
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Evidence suggests otherwise. Clinton has the morals of a sewer rat but he was a very effective leader.
 
The results thus far are quite telling, a sewer rat that inherited a booming economy and a relatively quiet post cold war world who was forced into welfare reform and a balanced budget by the Republican members of the House with their Contract with America and Of course Raygun. Now the myth that was JFK still shines on after all these years which is sad but what's a mutha to do? At least no one seems to think the Peanut farmer LBJ or Obama were worth a damn. That's a good sign, there may yet be hope for Amerika? But Clinton could have killed Osama back then ya 'member that kiddies?
 
VanceMack said:
Frankly...I dont give half a damn about his 'morals'. I dont need them, and I dont need him to teach my family. Thats my role. I need my president to be an effective leader and commander in chief. I need him or her to not be responsible for adding 6 trillion in debt and then 8 in 5 years ala Bush and Obama. I need them to be able to work effectively with congress and the world leaders. If his wife wants to let him **** around on her for 30 years...thats fine. Now...I DO have a problem with the rape and sexual assault/harassment charges, but since they have been discharged...c'est la vie.

I need my president to be a president...not a saint.
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His morals are what he uses to make judgments about his actions in office.
 
VanceMack said:
Did your keyboard just melt when you typed that or did it literally catch fire?
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Heh, no, I can be objective. I disagree with almost everything hes done, but hes been more effective than Clinton at doing things. He just goes around congress or the laws. Obamacare alone is more than Clinton did in 8 years.
 
Of that list, I would have to call Reagan the least bad.
 
VanceMack said:
Evidence suggests otherwise. Clinton has the morals of a sewer rat but he was a very effective leader.
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But that's my point. He wasn't. He didn't get anything done that he wanted. He lost his party the congress and presidency for the first time in decades.
 
jonny5 said:
But that's my point. He wasn't. He didn't get anything done that he wanted. He lost his party the congress and presidency for the first time in decades.
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Your point is wrong. As the democrat president he worked WITH the opposition party to accomplish some extraordinary things. Those are the same characteristics that made Reagan a good leader. He was a smart politician. He knew when to say no, and knew when to say yes. We dont have a monarchy...the president is the EXECUTIVE branch. he helped work to ensure we had an effective LEGISLATIVE branch. He didnt fight it at ever turn and block it.

Where you lose it completely is when you claim Obama is a more effective leader. Seriously? He is childish, petty, ineffective, and weak.
 
Reagan, then probably Kennedy. They were the two authors of the largest corporate tax cuts in American history.

Therefore, anyone who has something smarmy to say about "trickle-down" or "voodoo" or any other pejorative attached to supply-side economics, don't point to Reagan. Kennedy did it 20 years ahead of him.
 
I'll go with Kennedy.
 
Gipper said:
Kennedy did it 20 years ahead of him
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hah yeah that and trying to rein in the power of the Federal Reserve prolly got him kilt? j/k or am I?
 
VanceMack said:
Obama is childish, petty, ineffective, and weak.
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nevertheless history will show that it was on his watch that socialized healthcare began and heralded the downfall of the nation which is the goal of the left so he will be the numbah one prez in their books years from now but it lead to WWIII which wasn't such a good thing.
 
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