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Should Daycare Be Subsidized

Should Daycare Be Subsidized?

  • Yes, Should Be Fixed Price (Quebec)

    Votes: 2 5.0%
  • Yes, Means-Tested (France)

    Votes: 8 20.0%
  • No, It Should Not Be Subsidized

    Votes: 30 75.0%

  • Total voters
    40
I believe it. Hell, I've considered moving up there. Canada has some really good things going on...of course, this would be awful.

You don't raise kids in Manhattan, just like you don't raise them in Toronto. NYC is a "yuppie" city. Toronto obviously is too.

Toronto is a much more liveable city than New York, with far more safe residential areas within the city limits and large swaths of suburbs as well. Many sports figures who've been traded to Toronto teams have moved their families here and remained her after their careers ended. Toronto is also one of the most cosmopolitan cities in the world, where cultures mix easily. Like any big city, however, we do have our fair share of what you call "yuppies".
 
You apparently prefer big government liberals who want everything subsidized, as opposed to promoting fiscal responsibility.

They also enjoy people who move out of their parents' home to "make it on their own", then beg for public funds.

You're trading one mommy for another. Congratulations. Hope the government teet isn't quite as sensitive.

Well at least our debt is manageable unlike America.
 
Toronto is a much more liveable city than New York, with far more safe residential areas within the city limits and large swaths of suburbs as well. Many sports figures who've been traded to Toronto teams have moved their families here and remained her after their careers ended. Toronto is also one of the most cosmopolitan cities in the world, where cultures mix easily. Like any big city, however, we do have our fair share of what you call "yuppies".

The cost of housing (living) is a bit ridiculous...

Good evening jcj..
 
Well daycare actually benefits society as a whole as it is better to have a well educated working populace then a uneducated unemployed populace. If you subsidize daycare you get else people collecting unemployment, less welfare, less food stamps because people can work. I guess your against public education aswell.

Maintaining a philosophical opposition to new government programs is more important to commie-phobes than any practical benefits that may result.
 
Toronto is a much more liveable city than New York, with far more safe residential areas within the city limits and large swaths of suburbs as well. Many sports figures who've been traded to Toronto teams have moved their families here and remained her after their careers ended. Toronto is also one of the most cosmopolitan cities in the world, where cultures mix easily. Like any big city, however, we do have our fair share of what you call "yuppies".

Don't forget our public schools are actually fine in Toronto. This is also true for most of Canada compared to the U.S. it costs more but we have a higher quality of life.
 
You apparently prefer big government liberals who want everything subsidized, as opposed to promoting fiscal responsibility.

They also enjoy people who move out of their parents' home to "make it on their own", then beg for public funds.

You're trading one mommy for another. Congratulations. Hope the government teet isn't quite as sensitive.

I don't want to get into an ideological argument that I don't agree with, but I would say that the average Canadian is far more independent and financially responsible than the average American. You won't find any Canadians who get their mortgage interest deducted from taxable income. You won't find any unemployed Canadians who enjoyed upwards of 2 yrs worth of unemployment insurance payments. You won't find any Canadians who received a payroll holiday from paying our taxes to cover our social pension and other federal funded programs. And America has almost twice as many people on food stamps as we have in total population.
 
The cost of housing (living) is a bit ridiculous...

Good evening jcj..

Good evening V1.1 - you're right, housing costs are becoming terrible here - if you're young, you need rich parents to get into the housing market.
 
Good evening V1.1 - you're right, housing costs are becoming terrible here - if you're young, you need rich parents to get into the housing market.

Just wait for the bubble to collapse, it is expected to in the next two years. You could also live in Quebec/Montreal if you don't mind French or Nova Scotia/New Brunswick since they are for the most part unaffected by it.
 
I don't want to get into an ideological argument that I don't agree with, but I would say that the average Canadian is far more independent and financially responsible than the average American. You won't find any Canadians who get their mortgage interest deducted from taxable income. You won't find any unemployed Canadians who enjoyed upwards of 2 yrs worth of unemployment insurance payments. You won't find any Canadians who received a payroll holiday from paying our taxes to cover our social pension and other federal funded programs. And America has almost twice as many people on food stamps as we have in total population.

I got 3 words for ya - and one is "universal".
 
Where would you like to see subsidies reduced for individuals, if anywhere?

I can't think of many individual subsidies off the top of my head. I mean obviously we should do something about welfare queens. I'd have to see some sort of list to name some more. One subsidy that popped in to my head is the meat industry. Meat doesn't have to be had at every meal.
 
I don't want to get into an ideological argument that I don't agree with, but I would say that the average Canadian is far more independent and financially responsible than the average American. You won't find any Canadians who get their mortgage interest deducted from taxable income. You won't find any unemployed Canadians who enjoyed upwards of 2 yrs worth of unemployment insurance payments. You won't find any Canadians who received a payroll holiday from paying our taxes to cover our social pension and other federal funded programs. And America has almost twice as many people on food stamps as we have in total population.

Very good post, CJ! :thumbs: To what do you attribute the difference in thinking?
 
I can't think of many individual subsidies off the top of my head. I mean obviously we should do something about welfare queens. I'd have to see some sort of list to name some more. One subsidy that popped in to my head is the meat industry. Meat doesn't have to be had at every meal.

The question pertained to individuals, not industries. I would like there to be a definitive time restriction for all individual (family) subsidies unless a person can demonstrate a physical or mental disability...
 
Very good post, CJ! :thumbs: To what do you attribute the difference in thinking?

We get to look at what the U.S. did wrong and avoid it. We also have different values than Americans.
 
I got 3 words for ya - and one is "universal".

So, we pay for health care collectively through our tax base in order to ensure all citizens are covered for basic and catastrophic care and forego other tax subsidies, like mortgage interest deductions, to cover it. We made a choice that most, if not all, Canadians are quite happy with. We also pay for supplementary health insurance to cover prescription drugs, dental care, eye care, and other services.

Our choice to cover basic health care collectively doesn't excuse the fact far more Americans live off the work of others through a vast social welfare state not heard of here. And you won't find almost 50% of the Canadian population not paying any federal income taxes. The basic income threshhold over which federal taxes apply is about $12,000 here - what is it in the US ? 3 x's that? more?

If you want to talk about not being financially responsible for your own life, I'd say not paying for government services and then sucking on the government teat for such services is the utmost in leeching on society.
 
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Well like Canada John has said in Canada isn't like a babysitter who just watches 10 kids they are usually like pre-schools I guess well licensed one anyways.

I'm aware of what daycare is. You separate the kids by age and needs. Babys, toddlers, etc. They all still require extreme supervision, divided amongst however many the legal limit allows per daycare worker. If you have kids you KNOW that's no small task just for your OWN. Babysitting your relative's kids comes close. LOL

I know, you want cheap daycare, and then have it subsidized by everyone else. The reason? So you can go out and make more money.

I gotta say one of my personal pet peeves is this "daycare" mentality. If you have kids, they are YOUR responsibility. Not latchkey kids, not TV kids, YOUR kids. They need at least one of you committed 24/7 to their care and growth. Pick who it is, or switch off days, but RAISE them. Geez.
 
Very good post, CJ! :thumbs: To what do you attribute the difference in thinking?

I don't know, to be honest, but I think life in Canada was traditionally harder than life in America so people were more self-sufficient. We also have been collectively more attached to each other here because we are such a large country with such a small population so we are more receptive to working together and funding bigger projects that could not be accomplished otherwise. It's a combination of being capable of caring for ourselves and wanting to help others.
 
The question pertained to individuals, not industries. I would like there to be a definitive time restriction for all individual (family) subsidies unless a person can demonstrate a physical or mental disability...

I realize it applied to individuals, though I don't see why it matters if we're talking about subsidies being worth it/being fiscally responsible. I agree that there should be a time limit would necessarily be a bad thing. I also think there should be exceptions if people can demonstrate they were trying to, for example, find work but they couldn't.

Btw, what are you liberal on? Most of your comments I've seen are moderate at best.
 
The question pertained to individuals, not industries. I would like there to be a definitive time restriction for all individual (family) subsidies unless a person can demonstrate a physical or mental disability...

:agree: The growing debt will probably force changes to be made soon, but right now we seem to be headed in the opposite direction! :wow:

Good evening, AP! :2wave:
 
I'm aware of what daycare is. You separate the kids by age and needs. Babys, toddlers, etc. They all still require extreme supervision, divided amongst however many the legal limit allows per daycare worker. If you have kids you KNOW that's no small task just for your OWN. Babysitting your relative's kids comes close. LOL

I know, you want cheap daycare, and then have it subsidized by everyone else. The reason? So you can go out and make more money.

I gotta say one of my personal pet peeves is this "daycare" mentality. If you have kids, they are YOUR responsibility. Not latchkey kids, not TV kids, YOUR kids. They need at least one of you committed 24/7 to their care and growth. Pick who it is, or switch off days, but RAISE them. Geez.

Tough to do in a one parent household. Maybe that issue as well as many others need to be addressed...
 
So, we pay for health care collectively through our tax base in order to ensure all citizens are covered for basic and catastrophic care and forego other tax subsidies, like mortgage interest deductions, to cover it. We made a choice that most, if not all, Canadians are quite happy with. We also pay for supplementary health insurance to cover prescription drugs, dental care, eye care, and other services.

Our choice to cover basic health care collectively doesn't excuse the fact far more Americans live off the work of others through a vast social welfare state not heard of here. And you won't find almost 50% of the Canadian population not paying any federal income taxes. The basic income threshhold over which federal taxes apply is about $12,000 here - what is it in the US ? 3 x's that? more?

If you want to talk about not being financial responsible for your own life, I'd say not paying for government services and then sucking on the government teat for such services is the utmost in leeching on society.

Canadian health care also has the benefit of leeching off of America in a "free rider" system with regard to pharmaceuticals and cutting-edge technology.
 
:agree: The growing debt will probably force changes to be made soon, but right now we seem to be headed in the opposite direction! :wow:

Good evening, AP! :2wave:

Good evening pg...

The debt is not the issue, it's "money" entering the private sector with no increased productive output...
 
Canadian health care also has the benefit of leeching off of America in a "free rider" system with regard to pharmaceuticals and cutting-edge technology.

We don't get any benefits here we don't earn through the subsidiaries of those big pharmas that set up shop here in Canada. We don't, however, allow big pharma to unreasonably benefit from extensive, long term patent protections. It's why a lot of Americans leech off the Canadian pharmas by buying their drugs here.
 
We don't get any benefits here we don't earn through the subsidiaries of those big pharmas that set up shop here in Canada. We don't, however, allow big pharma to unreasonably benefit from extensive, long term patent protections. It's why a lot of Americans leech off the Canadian pharmas by buying their drugs here.

...drugs that have hundreds of billions in R&D spent on them in the states.

Pharmaceuticals are to Canada what pirated DVDs are to China.
 
Tough to do in a one parent household. Maybe that issue as well as many others need to be addressed...

I agree. There should be a social recognition of the consequences and repercussions to having children. Perhaps we should have laws preventing divorce until all children have reached the age of 13; perhaps laws that require the father and mother live together and take care of their child until that age if a child is born out of wedlock...who knows? I'm no social engineer.

At the very least one parent provides all the money and the other spends all the time raising them.

I also mentioned acceptance of subsidized daycare for working poor and welfare recipients who prove they are actively seeking and obtaining work. But if you are "living the middle class lifestyle" or better? Having others raise your kids is shirking responsibility; IMO you need to do this yourself if you want any chance for them to grow up well-balanced.
 
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