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Should Daycare Be Subsidized

Should Daycare Be Subsidized?

  • Yes, Should Be Fixed Price (Quebec)

    Votes: 2 5.0%
  • Yes, Means-Tested (France)

    Votes: 8 20.0%
  • No, It Should Not Be Subsidized

    Votes: 30 75.0%

  • Total voters
    40
Should we subsidize the cost of automotive repair. I was reading in an article (which I can't link to because of the 10 article limit) which talked about the cost of automotive upkeep. I personally support subsidized automotive repair as it enables all drivers to have successful careers but it is expensive and hard on even most successful car owners, it is not a case of owners that need to make more money or wait but it is just unaffordable and the price needs to be brought down. It also has the benefit of encouraging car owners to have more cars because they can afford to. I support means-testing as it enables everyone to afford a car and it avoids public transportation waiting lists.
 
You do knwo the Conservatives run the country right and you can't change Canada's geography and demographics it happens that Ontario and Toronto specifically hols most of the population of Canada.

Go talk to CanadaJohn who disagrees with you.
 
Should we subsidize the cost of automotive repair. I was reading in an article (which I can't link to because of the 10 article limit) which talked about the cost of automotive upkeep. I personally support subsidized automotive repair as it enables all drivers to have successful careers but it is expensive and hard on even most successful car owners, it is not a case of owners that need to make more money or wait but it is just unaffordable and the price needs to be brought down. It also has the benefit of encouraging car owners to have more cars because they can afford to. I support means-testing as it enables everyone to afford a car and it avoids public transportation waiting lists.

If I was lucky enough to have a wife who could pop out a new car every year or couple of years, I wouldn't worry so much about the repair bills - I'd cover them.
 
yes if you want your child ruined, with no chance of life success then send em to the 'free schools'.
cuz everyone knows: you get what you pay for.

Huh. I went to public school and I'm doing quite well.
 
I don't live with my parents. I do pay my way. I don't get any special tax breaks. For me it's not about rights and more about how I want things to be. I guess I actually care about others.

What is more about how you want things to be?
 
If I was lucky enough to have a wife who could pop out a new car every year or couple of years, I wouldn't worry so much about the repair bills - I'd cover them.

But they're expensive and a broken down car could prevent you from getting an education or a job. Subsidize it!
 
Go talk to CanadaJohn who disagrees with you.

The Liberals run the province and like I said before you can't the fact most of the business is in Ontario and Toronto.
 
Go talk to CanadaJohn who disagrees with you.

No, we do have a conservative federal government but we, in Ontario, have a liberal government. And Observer is correct in that a very large part of Canada's population is concentrated within 100 miles of the Canada/US border and Toronto is by far the largest city in the country - it's the third largest behind New York and Los Angeles, if you don't count Mexico City, in all of North America. As a result, Toronto is the financial capital of the country and many multinational and resource giants are headquartered in Toronto, which means a lot of the high end professional careers in these fields are located in Toronto. Not all, but a large percentage of them, just as are centered in New York.
 
No, we do have a conservative federal government but we, in Ontario, have a liberal government. And Observer is correct in that a very large part of Canada's population is concentrated within 100 miles of the Canada/US border and Toronto is by far the largest city in the country - it's the third largest behind New York and Los Angeles, if you don't count Mexico City, in all of North America. As a result, Toronto is the financial capital of the country and many multinational and resource giants are headquartered in Toronto, which means a lot of the high end professional careers in these fields are located in Toronto. Not all, but a large percentage of them, just as are centered in New York.

New York is the financial capital of America, and I don't think you need to work in Manhattan to be successful.
 
Nope. I don't have a problem when government decides to attempt to employ programs that benefit the greater good.

How do you know they do that?

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What is more about how you want things to be?

From my point of you, you only seem to care about minimizing government influence in your life (your rights). I think something like subsidized child care would be good for our society ("how I want things to be"). It's worth the money in my mind.
 
No, we do have a conservative federal government but we, in Ontario, have a liberal government. And Observer is correct in that a very large part of Canada's population is concentrated within 100 miles of the Canada/US border and Toronto is by far the largest city in the country - it's the third largest behind New York and Los Angeles, if you don't count Mexico City, in all of North America. As a result, Toronto is the financial capital of the country and many multinational and resource giants are headquartered in Toronto, which means a lot of the high end professional careers in these fields are located in Toronto. Not all, but a large percentage of them, just as are centered in New York.

Quebec and Montreal specifically is similar in that there is a lot of mostly engineering firms, other financial institutions, natural resources, or any French language business based in the city which also has a very large population but is French speaking.
 
New York is the financial capital of America, and I don't think you need to work in Manhattan to be successful.

No, I wasn't suggesting you did. Nor was I suggesting you needed to live and work in Toronto to be successful in Canada. There are rich economies in many other provinces in the country. Canada is by no means an unsuccessful country whose citizens are desparate for subsidized living arrangements. It's why about 250,000 are legally accepted into Canada each year - the equivalent in the US would be 2.5 million, which you're nowhere near absorbing in your economy.
 
From my point of you, you only seem to care about minimizing government influence in your life (your rights). I think something like subsidized child care would be good for our society ("how I want things to be"). It's worth the money in my mind.

Where would you like to see subsidies reduced for individuals, if anywhere?
 
Should we subsidize the cost of daycare? I was reading a Globe and Mail article (which I can't link to because of the 10 article limit) which talked about the cost of daycare. It was talking about how daycare can cost you 20,000$+ a year thus being a big hit to new families even those making 100,000$+. The couple in the article from Toronto said they spend 13$/day on daycare (fully licensed, nothing fancy daycare) for their child while parents in Quebec can register at government subsidized daycares for 7$/day and there is a waiting list. In France they subsidize daycare and it is means-tested with the lowest price being 50 cents and the highest I think was 13 euros, a day of course. I personally support subsidized daycare as it enables both parents to have successful careers but it is expensive and hard on even the most successful new families, it is not a case of parents that need to make more money or wait but it is just unaffordable and the price needs to be brought down. It also has the benefit of encouraging parents to have more children because they can afford to especially in Quebec where immigration is a problem. I support means-testing as it enables everyone to afford daycare and it avoids waiting lists but Quebec is a nice compromise between the two.

First question I'd have is, how much do you think a person should get for watching YOUR child for 9 hours or more a day? Then consider, they also have to watch up to what? Ten each? I think that's the typical legal limit in the USA before a second person has to be hired to watch ten more, etc. That means diapers, feeding, burping, cleaning, talking to, preventing from eating things, keeping fingers out of electrical sockets, not fighting, not pulling hair, not biting, reading to, more cleaning, etc., etc., etc. ALL stuff your spouse is supposed to do for FREE 24/7. LOL

You want two incomes, pay the piper. Now having said that, I'd see subsidized day care as a requirement for welfare moms so that they can go out and find work to get off welfare. I'd also see a means test for poverty level families to help them stay in budget. For professional people so they can get that second Lexus? Hell no! LOL
 
No, I wasn't suggesting you did. Nor was I suggesting you needed to live and work in Toronto to be successful in Canada. There are rich economies in many other provinces in the country. Canada is by no means an unsuccessful country whose citizens are desparate for subsidized living arrangements. It's why about 250,000 are legally accepted into Canada each year - the equivalent in the US would be 2.5 million, which you're nowhere near absorbing in your economy.

I believe it. Hell, I've considered moving up there. Canada has some really good things going on...of course, this would be awful.

You don't raise kids in Manhattan, just like you don't raise them in Toronto. NYC is a "yuppie" city. Toronto obviously is too.
 
First question I'd have is, how much do you think a person should get for watching YOUR child for 9 hours or more a day? Then consider, they also have to watch up to what? Ten each? I think that's the typical legal limit in the USA before a second person has to be hired to watch ten more, etc. That means diapers, feeding, burping, cleaning, talking to, preventing from eating things, keeping fingers out of electrical sockets, not fighting, not pulling hair, not biting, reading to, more cleaning, etc., etc., etc. ALL stuff your spouse is supposed to do for FREE 24/7. LOL

You want two incomes, pay the piper. Now having said that, I'd see subsidized day care as a requirement for welfare moms so that they can go out and find work to get off welfare. I'd also see a means test for poverty level families to help them stay in budget. For professional people so they can get that second Lexus? Hell no! LOL

Well like Canada John has said in Canada isn't like a babysitter who just watches 10 kids they are usually like pre-schools I guess well licensed one anyways.
 
I believe it. Hell, I've considered moving up there. Canada has some really good things going on...of course, this would be awful.

You don't raise kids in Manhattan, just like you don't raise them in Toronto. NYC is a "yuppie" city. Toronto obviously is too.

Well here we are proud of public education and frankly we don't like Libertarians or social Darwinists mainly both of them are anti-Canadian ideals.
 
No, I wasn't suggesting you did. Nor was I suggesting you needed to live and work in Toronto to be successful in Canada. There are rich economies in many other provinces in the country. Canada is by no means an unsuccessful country whose citizens are desparate for subsidized living arrangements. It's why about 250,000 are legally accepted into Canada each year - the equivalent in the US would be 2.5 million, which you're nowhere near absorbing in your economy.

Well to be fair we do get to pick and choose our immigrants more selectively than Americans.
 
The Liberals run the province and like I said before you can't the fact most of the business is in Ontario and Toronto.

That's essentially what I said, sorry if I wasn't clear. The point is, even if the national government is run by the conservatives, the part that you are specifically complaining about is run by the liberals.

Maybe that's why there's a problem.
 
I'm all for studies in to effectiveness.

Studies are fine, but it doesn't substitute for critical thought, because studies can't account for all the different consequences and impacts of these policies over time (way too many variables).

The consequences of government action that puts money in people's pockets (whether via tax cuts or welfare programs or both) have upsides (economic stimulus and minor temporary upticks to people's financial situation or quality of life) and they have downsides (fostered dependence, increasing expectation of government freebies over time, deficits and debt, etc.). The benefits are almost always short-term and the costs are almost always long-term.

Politicians (and people who are in the habit of trusting them) tend to overemphasize the short-term benefits and ignore the long-term costs, and they do this because their election or re-election will be bolstered most by short-term results.
 
That's essentially what I said, sorry if I wasn't clear. The point is, even if the national government is run by the conservatives, the part that you are specifically complaining about is run by the liberals.

Maybe that's why there's a problem.

Your also getting confused again Canada isn't like in the U.S. in that a lot of governments services are federal not provincial/state. The federal government has all residual powers not the provinces with some exceptions in Quebec. Some of it might be federal some it might be provincial. it would probably end up being federal.
 
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Well here we are proud of public education and frankly we don't like Libertarians or social Darwinists mainly both of them are anti-Canadian ideals.

You apparently prefer big government liberals who want everything subsidized, as opposed to promoting fiscal responsibility.

They also enjoy people who move out of their parents' home to "make it on their own", then beg for public funds.

You're trading one mommy for another. Congratulations. Hope the government teet isn't quite as sensitive.
 
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