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Is atheism a religion[W:711:831]

Is atheism a religion

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Re: Is atheism a religion

obvious Child said:
Irrelevant. By telling you I'm not an atheist, I already answered your question with an obvious B answer.
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Ummm...no, obviously by virtue of this thread.

We made a bet that I already answered your question pages ago. I provided the link and quote. You are not holding up your end of the bargain.
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I asked for a yes or no answer. You never gave it. You're not holding up to your end of the bargain. Yes or no.

Do you believe there is no god?

A) Yes
B) No
C) I don't know
 
Re: Is atheism a religion

OldWorldOrder said:
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

That's exactly like a religious person saying there is a god.

No "belief" to it, they'd say.
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Do you have a point? If so, I wish you'd share it with the class.
 
Re: Is atheism a religion

TheGirlNextDoor said:
Do you have a point? If so, I wish you'd share it with the class.
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That what you think is true is what many others think is true.

That doesn't make it true.

I hope your first grade class gets an extremely basic lesson in the idea of the self. Hi kids!
 
Re: Is atheism a religion

OldWorldOrder said:
Ummm...no, obviously by virtue of this thread.
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Well, we know you cannot be trusted.

I asked for a yes or no answer. You never gave it. You're not holding up to your end of the bargain. Yes or no.
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We never agreed that the answer had to be in that form. We merely agreed I had to have answered you, to which my answer of "Not an Atheist" clearly is an obvious B answer. My quote shows I answered your question.

Make good on your agreement.
 
Re: Is atheism a religion

obvious Child said:
Well, we know you cannot be trusted.
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lol

We never agreed that the answer had to be in that form. We merely agreed I had to have answered you, to which my answer of "Not an Atheist" clearly is an obvious B answer. My quote shows I answered your question.
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That's exactly what I asked. Do you need a link?

Make good on your agreement.
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MAKE GOOD ON YOUR AGREEMENT, OBVIOUS CHILD, AND ANSWER THE YES OR NO QUESTION

lol, this is too easy. I asked for a yes or no and you linked to an answer that...wasn't that. You're undermining your position. Do you think it's not strong enough to stand on it's own with that? Weird.
 
Re: Is atheism a religion

OldWorldOrder said:
That's exactly what I asked. Do you need a link?
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Okay, find me the agreement where we agreed that the answer had to be in a yes/no form.

Go! I won't hold my breath.

Hint:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/168711-atheism-religion-70.html#post1062218723

"You leave the thread permanently if I cannot prove I didn't tell you this in this thread."

Want to point out where we agreed it had to be yes or no?

The question was "Do you believe there is no god?"

So, my answer of "not an atheist" answers that question.

Now uphold your agreement.

lol, this is too easy. I asked for a yes or no and you linked to an answer that...wasn't that. You're undermining your position. Do you think it's not strong enough to stand on it's own with that? Weird.
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You should read the lines we actually agreed upon. Says nothing about yes or no answer.
 
Re: Is atheism a religion

obvious Child said:
Okay, find me the agreement where we agreed that the answer had to be in a yes/no form.
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The same exact post where I agreed to it?

Go! I won't hold my breath.
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Please don't!

You should read the lines we actually agreed upon. Says nothing about yes or no answer.
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Yeah...they do. looooool

OldWorldOrder said:
Sure. Yes or no? And quoted me, so I can see it?
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That was easy, it only happened like 20 minutes ago. lol

You even quoted it?

obvious Child said:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/168711-atheism-religion-42.html#post1062197805

Now get out of the thread.
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lol jesus christ ra odin

wow, great showing for your cause
 
Re: Is atheism a religion

Wow, you edited your post (after I quoted it, sadly for you) and it still doesn't help your cause. This is really going poorly for you. How about you just answer the question and we'll let bygones be bygones?
 
Re: Is atheism a religion

OldWorldOrder said:
obvious Child is obviously very upset. He can't seem to answer this question and is lashing out.

Let's all make fun of him until he can.
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obvious Child said:
$5 says this guy is seriously trolling us.
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Moderator's Warning:
These personal comments need to stop right now. Return to the topic, atheism.
 
Re: Is atheism a religion

OldWorldOrder said:
Wow, you edited your post (after I quoted it, sadly for you) and it still doesn't help your cause. This is really going poorly for you. How about you just answer the question and we'll let bygones be bygones?
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Cute. You agreed to the initial terms. I didn't agree to your modified proposal. The violation of the bet agreement is still yours.

Anyways, still doesn't change the fact that atheism is not a religion anymore than rejecting the wearing of orange socks on Wednesday is a religion.

Lack of belief belief or rejection of a belief would require that you hold the religion of rejecting Shiva. Do you follow such a religion?
 
Re: Is atheism a religion

Gimmesometruth said:
It is not a matter of belief, it is a matter of evidence. The evidence is that there is no "god". Belief is faith, faith is a matter of holding to feelings, not real, testable evidence.
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OldWorldOrder said:
Did you just change the idea of belief to suit your point? Cooooool.
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No, belief/faith are convictions absent testable proof. I cannot "change" words.

The point is evidence, repeatable, testable proof.

If you have no proof of god, then it is a matter of belief/faith...irrationality.
 
Re: Is atheism a religion

OldWorldOrder said:
I don't have any. I'm agnostic. But I'm honest in what I believe (I believe I don't know and don't care much beyond that).

Apparently you can't even acknowledge that you don't know. How strange.
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This is the argument of proving a negative, to know something not evident.
 
Re: Is atheism a religion

OldWorldOrder said:
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

That's exactly like a religious person saying there is a god.

No "belief" to it, they'd say.
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You just keep missing it, belief is a mental construct of holding to an idea without evidence.

An atheist is not holding to any construct that is not evident.....no belief.
 
Re: Is atheism a religion

OldWorldOrder said:
One answered. S/he said they believed their was no god. No one else could do it.

Weird.
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It's because anyone who refuses to declare that, you simply say isn't an atheist. It's the only way you can get anywhere, by redefining people according to your absurd definitions. That's why nobody will bother with your stupid question.
 
Re: Is atheism a religion

SmokeAndMirrors said:
No. I'm an atheist.

No, that is NOT what an agnostic thinks about deities, because agnosticism has NOTHING TO DO with what you think about deities. Let's try this again.

You can be an agnostic atheist, meaning you don't have reason to believe deities exist, AND you think such knowledge is impossible to acquire.

OR you can be an agnostic THEIST, meaning you believe deities exist, but you think true knowledge of such is impossible.

Whether or not I think it is possible to acquire knowledge of deities is irrelevant to the fact that, at present, there is no evidence, and thus no reason to believe.
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I guess, if you take belief to be an emotional activity - not so much an informed guess as a gut feeling - your statements would more or less fit the etymology word.
 
Re: Is atheism a religion

obvious Child said:
Cute. You agreed to the initial terms. I didn't agree to your modified proposal. The violation of the bet agreement is still yours.
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I didn't modify any proposal. In fact, you quoted is what I wrote. Are you now trying to deflect from your mistake by saying you were somehow tricked when it's there in black and white? I said something and you quoted it. Go back to this post: http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/168711-atheism-religion-w-711-a-70.html#post1062218742. But now I modified the proposal? Anyone can see you're making this up as you go on. All to avoid a simple question.

Anyways, still doesn't change
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loooooooooooooooooooooool pages of you demanding I honor some delusional agreement you think we had, you're proven wrong and now it doesn't matter. "Welp, anyways, that still doesn't change". lol this is great.

the fact that atheism is not a religion anymore than rejecting the wearing of orange socks on Wednesday is a religion.
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Right, you keep saying that like you think you're being introspective.

Lack of belief belief or rejection of a belief would require that you hold the religion of rejecting Shiva.
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Ah, is this why you can't tell when if you

A) Believe there is no god?
B) Believe there is a god?
C) Believe you don't know if there's a god?

Because you have no idea how to respond to what follows, so you just refuse to answer it and instead have a temper tantrum about an agreement that you didn't read in the first place?
Do you follow such a religion?
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I hold that religious belief, yes.
 
Re: Is atheism a religion

Gimmesometruth said:
No, belief/faith are convictions absent testable proof. I cannot "change" words.
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No, that's not true. You can believe things that are testable.

The point is evidence, repeatable, testable proof.
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Okay? I don't think anyone thinks mankind is done learning things.

If you have no proof of god, then it is a matter of belief/faith...irrationality.
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So do you believe there is no god, then?
 
Re: Is atheism a religion

Gimmesometruth said:
This is the argument of proving a negative, to know something not evident.
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No, it's a simple question. I'm not a theist and I really don't care.

But I also believe I don't know enough either way. Do you believe otherwise?

See, these are both beliefs.
 
Re: Is atheism a religion

Cephus said:
It's because anyone who refuses to declare that, you simply say isn't an atheist.
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Did I? When did that happen?

It's the only way you can get anywhere, by redefining people according to your absurd definitions. That's why nobody will bother with your stupid question.
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Pout about it. Only one person has had the balls to answer the question. The rest of you are trying to behind the idea that you lack any belief whatsoever about god, which is patently absurd. But it's fun watching you dodge and, in one case, make 'agreements' they didn't even read correctly and then demand it's upheld for pages, before realizing they were wrong and then say "Oh, that doesn't matter, anyways...."
 
Re: Is atheism a religion

OldWorldOrder said:
No, that's not true. You can believe things that are testable.
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But that makes the "belief" a testable thing, it changes to a known quantity.



Okay? I don't think anyone thinks mankind is done learning things.
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I did not say otherwise, non-sequitur.



So do you believe there is no god, then?
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You are still stuck, it is non-evident, an unknown.
 
Re: Is atheism a religion

OldWorldOrder said:
No, it's a simple question. I'm not a theist and I really don't care.

But I also believe I don't know enough either way. Do you believe otherwise?

See, these are both beliefs.
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You are playing a semantic game, if you cannot use belief/faith with understanding that it represents the concept of holding to a construct without evidence....as opposed to knowing a testable thing.....then this conversation is going nowhere. We have to be able to distinguish belief from knowledge for the purpose of argument.
 
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