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Re: Is atheism a religion
To whom are you referring?
Well yeah. Of course something either exists or it doesn't. But saying that doesn't mean they're equally likely. It is not a 50/50 chance. Dragons either exist or they don't. But we all know they don't. The probability of dragons existing is far less than the probability of them simply being made up. The same is true of any other supernatural creature.
Nonsense. Of course there is. Assuming that one uses any commonly understood definition for a god. There is no magic in the world. There are no miracles. The world operates exactly as it should without gods in it. Every single postulated attribute ever given to a god has been false. No two people agree on what god or gods there are. All of this is very consistent with mistaken human experience. Not divine truth.
Easily. I'll make the same offer to you I make all the time on this forum. Define a god, and I'll be happy to prove that it doesn't exist. Of course, most likely you'll offer a vague definition that doesn't include any of the things commonly attributed to god, so I usually end up proving that such a god is irrelevant to our existence. That's what everyone does. No one has ever offered me a god that would lead to judgment, prophets, or moral codes. So either deep down you're all deists who don't actually believe a word of your own religions, or you know it's nonsense and you just don't want to admit it.
So please, define me a god. Make it one that matters. I'll show how it's nonsense.
I' know one who does and he was who I was thinking of when I wrote that post. I imagine there are others out there. I wasn't saying it was some widespread problem but it definitely exists.
To whom are you referring?
You're making my argument out to be something it isn't. I never mentioned a specific god, I simply pointed out the truism that either A.) God/gods exist, or B.) He/it/they don't. One or the other statement is true, while the remaining one is false. They can't both be true, and it can't be the case that neither is true.
Well yeah. Of course something either exists or it doesn't. But saying that doesn't mean they're equally likely. It is not a 50/50 chance. Dragons either exist or they don't. But we all know they don't. The probability of dragons existing is far less than the probability of them simply being made up. The same is true of any other supernatural creature.
That said, there is no more evidence to support the notion that no god exists than there is to support the notion that a god does exist.
Nonsense. Of course there is. Assuming that one uses any commonly understood definition for a god. There is no magic in the world. There are no miracles. The world operates exactly as it should without gods in it. Every single postulated attribute ever given to a god has been false. No two people agree on what god or gods there are. All of this is very consistent with mistaken human experience. Not divine truth.
Just so we're straight.... are you claiming that you can prove that God doesn't exist?
Easily. I'll make the same offer to you I make all the time on this forum. Define a god, and I'll be happy to prove that it doesn't exist. Of course, most likely you'll offer a vague definition that doesn't include any of the things commonly attributed to god, so I usually end up proving that such a god is irrelevant to our existence. That's what everyone does. No one has ever offered me a god that would lead to judgment, prophets, or moral codes. So either deep down you're all deists who don't actually believe a word of your own religions, or you know it's nonsense and you just don't want to admit it.
So please, define me a god. Make it one that matters. I'll show how it's nonsense.