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Is atheism a religion[W:711:831]

Is atheism a religion

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On the contrary, I only say that because the norm for society is to have a belief system.

Honestly, It's not that I don't believe in any higher-power. . . so much as that I simply lack belief. Think of it like a bowl of french fries. . . just because there is no meat does not make it vegetarian. It's simply a bowl of fries.
 
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Grendel said:
So you reiterate your point then say we're off topic?

Well, either topic, that atheism is a religion and that the 1st Amendment allows for religious government have both been debunked to death, as has a variety of tertiary topics, such as the disinformed idea that there is wide spread religious persecution in the United States.
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I've never agreed with the bold. Atheism isn't a religion. Atheism is an ideology. And because of the, IMO, bastardized meaning of separation of church and state - that gov't should be devoid of religion, religion is the ONLY ideology not allowed in American gov't.
 
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cabse5 said:
I've never agreed with the bold. Atheism isn't a religion. Atheism is an ideology.
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Atheism isn't even that, though it can certainly lead to an ideology, as some atheists do in fact go on to become actively political in their atheism.
 
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Where and when was the definition of separation of church and state changed from no one religion should be the state religion to gov't should be devoid of religion? When and where was the amendment to the religion part of the first amendment made to reflect today's definition of separation of church and state in gov't?
 
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cabse5 said:
I've never agreed with the bold. Atheism isn't a religion. Atheism is an ideology. And because of the, IMO, bastardized meaning of separation of church and state - that gov't should be devoid of religion, religion is the ONLY ideology not allowed in American gov't.
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And I might add...lucky for us all...for separation of church and state.

What is atheism's ideology? How do you define its role in society? How does atheism impact our government more than religion?
 
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Cardinal said:
Atheism isn't even that, though it can certainly lead to an ideology, as some atheists do in fact go on to become actively political in their atheism.
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Sorry for being a parrot, here, and I apologize ahead of time, but saying atheism isn't an ideology (just like religion) is just butthurt from those who don't want atheism indirectly compared to religion.

See. Here's another example that proves a multiple belief system of atheists.. an ideology: Don't ever wanna be even indirectly compared to religion....

EDIT:To answer Removable Mind's query of what is the ideology of atheists:
(1) No belief in God
(2) Attempt to remove religion from gov't
(3) Don't ever wanna be even indirectly related to religion..
There's probably more, I just haven't got atheists to talk enough.

Ponderings: I guess i'm aSeparation of Church and State (as in the bastardized/atheistic def of SOCAS).
 
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cabse5 said:
Where and when was the definition of separation of church and state changed from no one religion should be the state religion to gov't should be devoid of religion? When and where was the amendment to the religion part of the first amendment made to reflect today's definition of separation of church and state in gov't?
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I'm pretty sure that's right in the original text of the amendment:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

That pretty much states, in plain english, that the government shall be devoid of religion.
 
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cabse5 said:
Where and when was the definition of separation of church and state changed from no one religion should be the state religion to gov't should be devoid of religion? When and where was the amendment to the religion part of the first amendment made to reflect today's definition of separation of church and state in gov't?
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Be grateful for the separation of church and state. If religion were to completely infiltrate government then odds are one of those religions would eventually be the one you don't practice. So long as government remains [largely] aloof from faith you will have the freedom to practice yours as you will.
 
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cabse5 said:
Sorry for being a parrot, here, and I apologize ahead of time, but saying atheism isn't an ideology (just like religion) is just butthurt from those who don't want atheism indirectly compared to religion.
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I'm trying to make sense of this statement:

Are you saying that atheism is an ideology or are you saying that it isn't an ideology?
 
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cabse5 said:
Sorry for being a parrot, here, and I apologize ahead of time, but saying atheism isn't an ideology (just like religion) is just butthurt from those who don't want atheism indirectly compared to religion.
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No, it just comes from knowing what I am. Would you be "butthurt" if I were to point out that your vegetarianism were a form of meat-eating?

It's just knowing what words mean, that's all.
 
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Removable Mind said:
And I might add...lucky for us all...for separation of church and state.

What is atheism's ideology? How do you define its role in society? How does atheism impact our government more than religion?
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I already asked him that. Basically he repeated all the hysterical nonsense coming from the right-wing echo chamber about atheists.
 
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How does atheism impact our society more than religion? How about public schools? Every, in some instances, crackpot ideology (non-proven fact) is spouted off by teachers in public schools to students. But religion is not mentioned, if only to ridicule it.

Religion is not allowed in American gov't but every other (in some instances,crackpot) ideology is allowed.
 
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Starbuck said:
I'm pretty sure that's right in the original text of the amendment:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

That pretty much states, in plain english, that the government shall be devoid of religion.
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Why don't you read some of the quotes of James Madison? The driver of the definition of religion in gov't?

Here, let me help you on that
http://home.comcast.net/~pobrien48/madison_his_writings.htm
 
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cabse5 said:
How does atheism impact our society more than religion? How about public schools? Every, in some instances, crackpot ideology (non-proven fact) is spouted off by teachers in public schools to students. But religion is not mentioned, if only to redicule it.
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Am I correct to guess that you mean evolution and the Big Bang Theory?
 
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If public schools are going to present one theory on how the universe was created, public schools should present both theories. Who's proven creationism? Who's proven the big-bang-theory?
 
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cabse5 said:
If public schools are going to present one theory on how the universe was created, schools should present both theories. Who's proven creationism? Who's proven the big-bang-theory?
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Yeah, never mind. If you think these two are equivalents, then there's no point in arguing it.
 
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cabse5 said:
If public schools are going to present one theory on how the universe was created, public schools should present both theories. Who's proven creationism? Who's proven the big-bang-theory?
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The difference is that it's known that the universe radiated out from a single point, while there is no basis whatsoever for any religious story of Creation (that I've heard). But if you want Creationism taught in theology classes I don't think you're going to find any atheists who'll disagree with that.
 
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cabse5 said:
Why don't you read some of the quotes of James Madison? The driver of the definition of religion in gov't?
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This is a plain text amendment. . . I don't believe that it takes a lot of interpretation from anyone.

Either way, the link didn't work.
 
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Cardinal said:
The difference is that it's known that the universe radiated out from a single point, while there is no basis whatsoever for any religious story of Creation (that I've heard). But if you want Creationism taught in theology classes I don't think you're going to find any atheists who'll disagreewitzerland. with that.
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OK, what is dark energy (supposedly the infinitesimally small amount of energy that was created when the universe was created) and what is its value? Physicists don't even know that answer. That's one reason why the Super Hadron Collider was built in Switzerland. That's a major part of the explanation of the big-bang theory. How was that infintesimally small amout of dark energy created? Physicists don't know that either. They suspect an unimaginable amount of energy... e=mc2 = m = e/c2 where c = the speed of light.That's also a major player in explaining the big-bang theory.

BTW, have you ever pondered this:
That the big-bang theory is a 'micro' explanation of how the universe was created?
That God creating the universe is a 'macro' explanation of how the universe was created?

Just like, for example, micro - Blood flows to tissues. The brain sends signals to the leg.
Compared to: macro - A person moves.
 
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cabse5 said:
OK, what is dark energy (supposedly the infinitesimally small amount of energy that was created when the universe was created) and what is its value? Physicists don't even know that answer. That's one reason why the Super Hadron Collider was built in Switzerland. That's a major part of the explanation of the big-bang theory. How was that infintesimally small amout of dark energy created? Physicists don't know that either. They suspect an unimaginable amount of energy... e=mc2 = m = e/c2 where c = the speed of light.That's also a major player in explaining the big-bang theory.

BTW, have you ever pondered this:
That the big-bang theory is a 'micro' explanation of how the universe was created?
That God creating the universe is a 'macro' explanation of how the universe was created?

Just like, for example, micro - Blood flow to tissues. The brain sends signals to the leg.
Compared to: macro - A person moves.
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I take it you're a fan of the God of the Gaps then?
 
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Starbuck said:
This is a plain text amendment. . . I don't believe that it takes a lot of interpretation from anyone.

Either way, the link didn't work.
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I apologize, I used the wrong link. Try again, I fixed it.
 
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Cardinal said:
I take it you're a fan of the God of the Gaps then?
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I take it you're a fan of no God?

I believe in facts. In the creation of the universe, there are no facts, yet, so ideologies jump right in.
 
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cabse5 said:
I apologize, I used the wrong link. Try again, I fixed it.
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The new link worked, thanks.

When reading those quotes, I didn't find any justification for anything but a complete absence of religious ideology from governmental affairs.
 
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cabse5 said:
I take it you're a fan of no God?

I believe in facts. In the creation of the universe, there are no facts, yet, so ideologies jump right in.
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Have you not heard of the "God of the Gaps"? That's the phenomenon where in a theological debate on the existence of God a religious person will respond to what is known with what is not known. This inherently weakens the religious person's position because they're actively implying that if science resolves enough questions there will be no place left for God to exist.
 
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cabse5 said:
How does atheism impact our society more than religion? How about public schools? Every, in some instances, crackpot ideology (non-proven fact) is spouted off by teachers in public schools to students. But religion is not mentioned, if only to ridicule it.

Religion is not allowed in American gov't but every other (in some instances,crackpot) ideology is allowed.
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I disagree in a number of ways but on cell. In Texas public school teach classes on the bible and claim it to be a historical book. I'll have to find time on my home computer to reply with the ways religion trumps atheism in every respect of our social environment.
 
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