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When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into families?

Re: When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into familie

Boo Radley said:
Same answer I gave someone else: I'm a reasonable and intelligent person. But predicting the future isn't what you did, and isn't what I'm replying to. You said A meant B, and factually it doesn't.
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Here is what the first guy said, whatever his name is: "how long will it take until socially conservative mass movements, no longer strictly bound to the Baby Boomer literalist evangelism that has defined them for four decades, accept gay marriage."

Correct? I mean you say you are "a reasonable and intelligent person", right?

I said this: "how long is it until we have total anarchy? How long until nobody gives a damn about anything at all anymore?"

How is my "how" question any less of an applicable how question than his is? His is his interpretation of how events will play out, mine is mine... so, what is your beef, bubba? Or excuse me, Boo?
 
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Fiddytree said:
When "social conservatives" actually start caring about strong families again.
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Wait a minute--since when do "social conservatives" not care about "strong families"? Do we have different definitions of "social conservatives" and "strong families"?
 
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nota bene said:
Wait a minute--since when do "social conservatives" not care about "strong families"? Do we have different definitions of "social conservatives" and "strong families"?
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Yeah, we probably do. We want public policies that reaffirm moral character and social stability. Adaptations at the federal and state level to new social realities still nevertheless require affirmation of American values and stability. The loss of the two parent household was a strong concern for neoconservatives over the past 50 years. This is, at least in part, why a number of neoconservatives are in favor of gay marriage and gay adoption. We have stragglers among our ranks as well, but times are changing.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
Your weak ego aside, gay people doing what they've always done isn't a change. it may threaten your fragile world but it's not a change.
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uh huh...you are the guy that was saying nothing was gonna change and then the Boy Scouts collapsed before our very eyes and are now probably going to fade into the past, all that good camaraderie, good deeds and skills taught lost to the future due to the war created by what amounts to a gay mafia on anybody who stands on principle and gets in their way. Its why I am no longer tolerant, you folks aren't, so I take my cue from ya'll...no shame either.

Ciao.
 
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Nota bene: consider the recent assault by the Right upon the Earned Income Tax Credit for poor and dependent families. Libertarian-leaning conservatives and Third Wayers embrace the EITC as both a means to reduce the social burden of charity on the wealthy and to render progressive assistance to the poor. It was social conservatives who sought to do away with the EITC, because it undermines the charitable role of churches.
 
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Gaugingcatenate said:
Gay people need to adjust to normal society, not the other way around. If you don't get just the efficiency of that, well...
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gays have been part of normal society for thousands of years. The only person outside of normal society here is you.
 
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Fiddytree said:
When "social conservatives" actually start caring about strong families again.
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Makes absolutely no sense there, Rodney. We never stopped caring so how could we start again? You must live in bizarro world. And you actually get internet there?
 
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CLAX1911 said:
gays have been part of normal society for thousands of years. The only person outside of normal society here is you.
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2.5% doesn't seem to be normal.
 
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Gaugingcatenate said:
uh huh...you are the guy that was saying nothing was gonna change and then the Boy Scouts collapsed before our very eyes and are now probably going to fade into the past, all that good camaraderie, good deeds and skills taught lost to the future due to the war created by what amounts to a gay mafia on anybody who stands on principle and gets in their way. Its why I am no longer tolerant, you folks aren't, so I take my cue from ya'll...no shame either.

Ciao.
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Boy scouts will not collapse, just backward people who believe that the world revolves around sex will be ran off. Good riddance the program doesn't need you any longer. What you teach was of no value.

Your delusions of a "gay mafia" border on insanity. This has gone so far with you that you need to invent a conspiracy to explain it.

Tolerance isn't enough. And you are only tolerant because you can't do anything about it.

The war is all on you, of you simply grow up there would be no need for this war. Your principals don't have to change, just your meddling in the affairs of others.

But I personally think your sanity is slipping away. Pretending there is a war about my sexuality, inventing the gay mafia? Thinking you have the ability to be intolerant of your fellow citizens. You sound like a future domestic terrorist to me.
 
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"Normality" is irrelevant. The individual is what truly counts, not the herd.
 
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APACHERAT said:
2.5% doesn't seem to be normal.
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it always has been.

or do you mean because I'm not like you I'm not normal? if you are what normal is, you aren't, that I'm glad to be not your kind of normal.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
gays have been part of normal society for thousands of years. The only person outside of normal society here is you.
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I'm not even comfortable with the term "normal society," but since you used it, I will. If gays have been a part of normal society for thousands of years, then why all the hub-bub now?

In my lifetime, the gay people I've known, with the exception of those who were in the arts and flamboyantly out, were generally closeted until the last 20 years. Earlier in the thread, reference was made to Queer Nation and Act Up, and I think the reason you don't hear so much from them anymore is because there really is so much acceptance by ordinary folks, so much of a "live-and-let-live" attitude.

Only a little over a century ago at Oscar Wilde's trial, the line from his lover's poem was quoted: "The love that dares not speak its name." I'm not sure I understand what you mean about gays being a part of "normal society." I mean, of course, they were--they were alive and members of families and working and so on. But I wouldn't say that they were out and accepted as a commonplace, would you?
 
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CLAX1911 said:
gays have been part of normal society for thousands of years. The only person outside of normal society here is you.
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Oh, waxes CLAX.... ha ha ha...so stay a part of normal society, we like it that way, we don't want it becoming any more abnormal/deviant than it already is. And I take that as a badge of honor coming from you, thanks.
 
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Einzige said:
"Normality" is irrelevant. The individual is what truly counts, not the herd.
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what they think normal is, is abandoning who you are to be part of the collective. assimilating against your will so that haters will think you're normal. that's just stupid.

I'm sorry I'm just not enough of a coward to want to be normal.
 
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Gaugingcatenate said:
Oh, waxes CLAX.... ha ha ha...so stay a part of normal society, we like it that way, we don't want it becoming any more abnormal/deviant than it already is. And I take that as a badge of honor coming from you, thanks.
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you are the deviant. its deviant now to I think that homosexuality is deviance.

you're crying because you're being pushed out. you are obsolete. that offends you,
there is an easy solution, grow.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
Boy scouts will not collapse, just backward people who believe that the world revolves around sex will be ran off. Good riddance the program doesn't need you any longer. What you teach was of no value.

Your delusions of a "gay mafia" border on insanity. This has gone so far with you that you need to invent a conspiracy to explain it.

Tolerance isn't enough. And you are only tolerant because you can't do anything about it.

The war is all on you, of you simply grow up there would be no need for this war. Your principals don't have to change, just your meddling in the affairs of others.

But I personally think your sanity is slipping away. Pretending there is a war about my sexuality, inventing the gay mafia? Thinking you have the ability to be intolerant of your fellow citizens. You sound like a future domestic terrorist to me.
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Already wasted waaaaaay too much time bashing my hard earned brains out against your thick brick wall without you ever really understanding, then you got all mean and nasty ...

So... you will have to find some other new comer, some poor good soul, and lure them into an inane battle that you will not quit fighting but you will not win. Ciao.
 
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nota bene said:
I'm not even comfortable with the term "normal society," but since you used it, I will. If gays have been a part of normal society for thousands of years, then why all the hub-bub now?

In my lifetime, the gay people I've known, with the exception of those who were in the arts and flamboyantly out, were generally closeted until the last 20 years. Earlier in the thread, reference was made to Queer Nation and Act Up, and I think the reason you don't hear so much from them anymore is because there really is so much acceptance by ordinary folks, so much of a "live-and-let-live" attitude.

Only a little over a century ago at Oscar Wilde's trial, the line from his lover's poem was quoted: "The love that dares not speak its name." I'm not sure I understand what you mean about gays being a part of "normal society." I mean, of course, they were--they were alive and members of families and working and so on. But I wouldn't say that they were out and accepted as a commonplace, would you?
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they have always been part of normal society open discussion of them has not. it was an effort to appease the public.

the hubbub is that I am tired of appeasing people. that's the only difference between now and any of our history. we will speak its name, and everybody will deal with it the First Amendment protects us.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
it always has been.

or do you mean because I'm not like you I'm not normal? if you are what normal is, you aren't, that I'm glad to be not your kind of normal.
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It use to be 2%, now it's 2.5%. It's growing, that's not normal.

What will happen to society when it's 98 % ?

Will there even be a society ?
 
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Gaugingcatenate said:
Already wasted waaaaaay too much time bashing my hard earned brains out against your thick brick wall without you ever really understanding, then you got all mean and nasty ...

So... you will have to find some other new comer, some poor good soul, and lure them into an inane battle that you will not quit fighting but you will not win. Ciao.
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I have already won, I won before you even joined this forum. whatever pretend battles you're having that's all in your head dude, seek some help.
 
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apdst said:
When are the Libbos going to stop trying to force their beliefs on everyone else? Why not just shutup about it and let people come around on their own; the end result of that might be much more to your liking.
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What exactly do you feel is being forced on you? How does someone else's marriage affect you?

Gaugingcatenate said:
Get your head out of your butt, boy. Churches are already changing to accommodate this agenda. In Canada, where its legal, churches are stepping on eggshells preaching the gospel that its a sin, an abomination for man to lie with man. The Boy Scouts caved to the pressure, people in states where gay marriage is not even legal are being successfully sued if they decline to say, photograph the wedding [not legal] of a gay couple. You heterophobes are quite getting quite cheeky nowadays, not bright, just cheeky. Which is why we can face you with great disdain, a shame and stain on society.
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How are any of those things bad? Religious doctrines have changed many times during history. It used to be a sin to charge interest on a loan. The preaching against gays will give way. Religions aren't actually as fixed as they like to pretend they are. The Boy Scouts, as a private organization, altered their stance to better please their customers. That's what a business is supposed to do. And as we have already long since established, banning SSM is unconstitutional.

What exactly do you mean by "heterophobe"? Do you think anyone is actually attempting to discriminate against heterosexuals? Seriously, what are you losing besides the ability to freely oppress people because of your religion? Besides, why not preach something constructive like "feed the hungry" instead?

APACHERAT said:
Back during the 70's all they wanted was for the sodemy laws to be abolished. That's all they wanted.

BS, Give them an inch and they want the whole nine yards.
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Yeah, they'll want every single right that we secure for ourselves. That would be awful.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
you are the deviant. its deviant now to I think that homosexuality is deviance.

you're crying because you're being pushed out. you are obsolete. that offends you,
there is an easy solution, grow.
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Yeah, well, boys are becoming girls now, girls boys, 7 year olds getting to choose... its a wonderful world huh, what was once normal is becoming deviant, time for rejoicing is it? I am sure that will work out for us so well in the future when all will have to be cloned because nobody is even interested in what used to be the desired opposite sex...I mean, ewwwwwww, who could have ever.....

See, you folks are screwing with things sooo badly it is almost comical if it weren't so sad. I can imagine HG Wells writing his wildest science fiction that would have never gone this deviant...

No, sorry, at this point you are still the deviant one. At this time I am still the norm, but you folks are changing things fast, five years from now maybe there really wont be any normal [the way we know them to be now ] folks anymore, who knows if we stay on this roller-coaster only going down...
 
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APACHERAT said:
It use to be 2%, now it's 2.5%. It's growing, that's not normal.

What will happen to society when it's 98 % ?

Will there even be a society ?
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what makes you think the numbers are going up? if the globe was 100 percent gay the world would be exactly the same as it is now.
 
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Gaugingcatenate said:
Yeah, well, boys are becoming girls now, girls boys, 7 year olds getting to choose... its a wonderful world huh, what was once normal is becoming deviant, time for rejoicing is it? I am sure that will work out for us so well in the future when all will have to be cloned because nobody is even interested in what used to be the desired opposite sex...I mean, ewwwwwww, who could have ever.....

See, you folks are screwing with things sooo badly it is almost comical if it weren't so sad. I can imagine HG Wells writing his wildest science fiction that would have never gone this deviant...

No, sorry, at this point you are still the deviant one. At this time I am still the norm, but you folks are changing things fast, five years from now maybe there really wont be any normal [the way we know them to be now ] folks anymore, who knows if we stay on this roller-coaster only going down...
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what Chicken Little run to the king and tell in the sky is falling. I don't believe that people who have always existed are any greatest threat to society now than they ever were.

you are a threat to society, you are threatening war.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
I have already won, I won before you even joined this forum. whatever pretend battles you're having that's all in your head dude, seek some help.
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You can fantasize about me losing, that is fine...no other fantasies allowed tho.

Ciao...really, I cannot waste anymore valuable time with a lost cause, sorry.
 
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Paschendale said:
Yeah, they'll want every single right that we secure for ourselves. That would be awful.
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They have something that the majority don't have, being a protected group.
 
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