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Do you support school uniforms?

What is your stance on School Uniforms?

  • Yes and the school should offer them at no extra cost.

    Votes: 20 18.3%
  • Yes and the parents should pay for them.

    Votes: 40 36.7%
  • They should be optional for students who want them

    Votes: 2 1.8%
  • There should be school uniforms for specific activities only

    Votes: 3 2.8%
  • We should leave it to the parents to decide if the school should have uniforms

    Votes: 10 9.2%
  • We should leave it at municipal/state level

    Votes: 10 9.2%
  • We shouldn't have school uniforms at all

    Votes: 24 22.0%
  • I like the current way things are.

    Votes: 5 4.6%
  • I hate uniforms

    Votes: 9 8.3%
  • I'm a potato.

    Votes: 13 11.9%

  • Total voters
    109
I showed why you are contradictory... you are just a very sore loser.

It's not contradictory. I don't know how else to explain it other then I already have honestly. To say that making rules on maintaining order and making rules towards how someone is dressed is the same thing is not something I really understand how someone can do.
 
You are an intellectually dishonest debater and I am not gonna waste much more time with you... I clearly showed you wrong and you avoid it. Well done. You are in a select group.

No I did not avoid your views, your INDIVIDUAL opinions. Because I don't agree with them does not make me a dishonest debater.
 
So do Muslims.

Why? Tradition, of course, no real reason for it.

Marvelous. So the Jew and the Muslim who hold their traditions dear have no reason for it? You know folks with an attitude like that are probably some of the most dangerous people in our society. When you do not have the respect for others to uphold the traditions that are deeply rooted in who they are as INDIVIDUALS, then you don't have a clue what liberty means.
 
It's not contradictory. I don't know how else to explain it other then I already have honestly. To say that making rules on maintaining order and making rules towards how someone is dressed is the same thing is not something I really understand how someone can do.

Dress codes are also about maintaining order...
 
No I did not avoid your views, your INDIVIDUAL opinions. Because I don't agree with them does not make me a dishonest debater.

In this case it clearly does... you ignored the one post that completely nailed you. I know it. Others know it. You know it. That makes you dishonest. Sorry...

I'm not he it's Ms. Vesper to you.

OK. "She".
 
In this case it clearly does... you ignored the one post that completely nailed you. I know it. Others know it. You know it. That makes you dishonest. Sorry...



OK. "She".
I have no idea what post your are talking about. So repost it. Refresh my memory. Show what post it is that supposedly "nailed me".
 
The negative/positive thing about this is Germany's brown shirts from a century ago...
Have we learned nothing ?
Schools must have rules ; there must be a dress code as too many parents are negligent or have poor taste.....but uniforms ??
And, does this work ??
I am a "potatoe" in this argument , unusual, I think, for an opinionated old man.
 
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Wrong. 100%. I find arguments that are fallacious, fallacious. Why is yours fallacious? Because you are making a collectivist argument against uniforms while ignoring the many other aspects of the education system that are also collectivists, as I have clearly pointed out. You are against collectivism. Mandatory classes are collectivist. So is telling students when they can and can't talk. When they can and can't eat. When they can and can't go to the bathroom. When they have to be at school and when they can leave it. Consequences for not being where you are told to be are collectivist. You support all of these other collectivist rules. They ALL stifle individuality. They all oppress. They all tell a parent what their child can and can't do. You are contradicting yourself. Your argument is fallacious at it's core. You couldn't be more wrong if you actually tried. Like I said, if you had a different reason for opposing uniforms you would have a valid and perhaps logical argument. As it is though, you and Henrin are about as contradictory and illogical in argument as any two that I have ever seen.

At some point one comes to realize that certain members argue from a position of irrational emotionalism. This occurs when they start to use fallacious reasoning to try to support an untenable position.

These two members set up straw man arguments, red herrings, then use appeals to emotion when all else fails. I gave up on them a while ago. Keep up the good fight if you wish, but they aren't listening. Kinda reminds me of when young children put fingers in their ears and go "LA LA LA LA I can't hear you!" LOL ;)
 
At some point one comes to realize that certain members argue from a position of irrational emotionalism. This occurs when they start to use fallacious reasoning to try to support an untenable position.

These two members set up straw man arguments, red herrings, then use appeals to emotion when all else fails. I gave up on them a while ago. Keep up the good fight if you wish, but they aren't listening. Kinda reminds me of when young children put fingers in their ears and go "LA LA LA LA I can't hear you!" LOL ;)

Those were my last few serious posts to them for I found the same thing... LA LAL ALALA AL LA LA!! Ridiculous.
 
I have no idea what post your are talking about. So repost it. Refresh my memory. Show what post it is that supposedly "nailed me".

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Originally Posted by vesper
Once again you find the arguments of those who do not share your opinion as being fallacious when in fact the points made drew on the differences of collectivism versus individualism. Collectivism chooses "group" solutions often at the loss of freedoms for others. Individualism focuses on the individual and preserving their rights. I have no doubt that many educators are thrilled with uniforms for it makes their jobs a lot easier instead of dealing with an individual. But then again a lot of educators are advocates for putting young "active" students on drugs such as Ritalin to make their job easier. Cheers.


Originally posted by Bodhisattva
Wrong. 100%. I find arguments that are fallacious, fallacious. Why is yours fallacious? Because you are making a collectivist argument against uniforms while ignoring the many other aspects of the education system that are also collectivists, as I have clearly pointed out. You are against collectivism. Mandatory classes are collectivist. So is telling students when they can and can't talk. When they can and can't eat. When they can and can't go to the bathroom. When they have to be at school and when they can leave it. Consequences for not being where you are told to be are collectivist. You support all of these other collectivist rules. They ALL stifle individuality. They all oppress. They all tell a parent what their child can and can't do. You are contradicting yourself. Your argument is fallacious at it's core. You couldn't be more wrong if you actually tried. Like I said, if you had a different reason for opposing uniforms you would have a valid and perhaps logical argument. As it is though, you and Henrin are about as contradictory and illogical in argument as any two that I have ever seen.
 
Marvelous. So the Jew and the Muslim who hold their traditions dear have no reason for it? You know folks with an attitude like that are probably some of the most dangerous people in our society. When you do not have the respect for others to uphold the traditions that are deeply rooted in who they are as INDIVIDUALS, then you don't have a clue what liberty means.
Oh, there must be some reason lost in the mists of time for any tradition.
and I didn't say that I'd take their precious traditions away from them, perish the thought. As long as their traditions don't threaten my liberty, why would I care?
 
Oh, there must be some reason lost in the mists of time for any tradition.
and I didn't say that I'd take their precious traditions away from them, perish the thought. As long as their traditions don't threaten my liberty, why would I care?
Good to know but how is allowing others who are citizens of this country whose custom of dress is different from the norm threaten your liberty? When a public school will not allow them to dress as who they are because of mandatory uniforms, are you not denying them their liberty?
 
Good to know but how is allowing others who are citizens of this country whose custom of dress is different from the norm threaten your liberty? When a public school will not allow them to dress as who they are because of mandatory uniforms, are you not denying them their liberty?

I'm a nudist. my custom of dress is naked. the ebil gubbermint is denying me my liberty by making me wear clothing in public.
 
I'm a nudist. my custom of dress is naked. the ebil gubbermint is denying me my liberty by making me wear clothing in public.

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I'm sorry Bodhisattva, but I do not see a course of study, curriculum, as being collectivist. And I surely don't see rules that maintain order and structure as being collectivism. But when a group decides to take upon themselves to enforce rules that infringe of the liberties of others involving a public institution, then I think it needs to be challenged. And it is my belief that enforcing mandatory uniform dress in a public school unjust. So we will have to agree to disagree.
 
Good to know but how is allowing others who are citizens of this country whose custom of dress is different from the norm threaten your liberty? When a public school will not allow them to dress as who they are because of mandatory uniforms, are you not denying them their liberty?

Exactly why there need to be more choices as to where kids go to school. Does our uniform code violate your tradition? I'm sorry. The one down the street has no uniform requirement.
 
Exactly why there need to be more choices as to where kids go to school. Does our uniform code violate your tradition? I'm sorry. The one down the street has no uniform requirement.

This problem only exists because of school socialism. If the government wasn't the one running the schools, nobody would be talking about this. They would simply go to the school that they preferred.
 
I'm a nudist. my custom of dress is naked. the ebil gubbermint is denying me my liberty by making me wear clothing in public.

How'd that go for you in the Army? :D
 
Exactly why there need to be more choices as to where kids go to school. Does our uniform code violate your tradition? I'm sorry. The one down the street has no uniform requirement.

Now if your public school operated solely on local and state funds you would have a point. But most public schools are beholding to federal funds I think the case could be made because of your federal funding, you don't have the right to deny another individual citizen his/her traditional dress.
 
Now if your public school operated solely on local and state funds you would have a point. But most public schools are beholding to federal funds I think the case could be made because of your federal funding, you don't have the right to deny another individual citizen his/her traditional dress.

Which is a great argument for closing down the Department of Education and getting the feds out of the education business.
 
Now if your public school operated solely on local and state funds you would have a point. But most public schools are beholding to federal funds I think the case could be made because of your federal funding, you don't have the right to deny another individual citizen his/her traditional dress.

Yet another problem caused by school socialism.
 
Which is a great argument for closing down the Department of Education and getting the feds out of the education business.

I agree. If local/state governments want the freedom to choose for their community the required uniforms then the feds need to be removed from the picture. Until then any individual has a right to challenge it.
 
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