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Do you support school uniforms?

What is your stance on School Uniforms?

  • Yes and the school should offer them at no extra cost.

    Votes: 20 18.3%

  • Yes and the parents should pay for them.

    Votes: 40 36.7%

  • They should be optional for students who want them

    Votes: 2 1.8%

  • There should be school uniforms for specific activities only

    Votes: 3 2.8%

  • We should leave it to the parents to decide if the school should have uniforms

    Votes: 10 9.2%

  • We should leave it at municipal/state level

    Votes: 10 9.2%

  • We shouldn't have school uniforms at all

    Votes: 24 22.0%

  • I like the current way things are.

    Votes: 5 4.6%

  • I hate uniforms

    Votes: 9 8.3%

  • I'm a potato.

    Votes: 13 11.9%
  • Total voters
    109
Henrin said:
What hammer? The school governing the operations of the school has no bearing on my case. Did it ever cross your mind that I ignored your post because it was irreverent?
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My post was a perfectly logical analogy that goes to the root of your complete error... I can see why you found it irrelelvant.

I don't value one more than the other actually. I just find it unacceptable to undermine my decisions I made for my child and to remove completely her freedom of expression. She has agreed to my choices and accepts my guidance, but you, I don't remember giving you a say on what she can wear and she doesn't want to wear your uniform. Back off.
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You are making it personal when it isn't.
 
Bodhisattva said:
My post was a perfectly logical analogy that goes to the root of your complete error... I can see why you found it irrelelvant.



You are making it personal when it isn't.
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How does HE know she doesn't want to wear YOUR uniform? Maybe your uniform is styling! :mrgreen:
 
vesper said:
Bodhisattva didn't make a valid point that warranted a response. because whether you recognize it or not, parents still have a say on any matter that goes on in their school districts. And when the majority reaches whatever direction in which to proceed is how things will be. My argument is only fallacious to you because you do not agree with it. But fortunately across this country more agree with me than they do with you for if they would be agreeing with you there would more schools mandating forced uniforms.
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Because it shows the core of your fallicious thinking... that's why. If you don't like uniforms just say so. Understand that your reasons against them are illogical though, within the framework of other school rules and procedures. Just own that. To keep making your error in reasoning though is ridiculous. Make a different argument if you want to be taken seriously. As it is you and Henrin have fallicious arguments. IF you don't care say so... but to say that my post was irrelevant or doesn't warrant a response only shows htat you are either dishonest or that you have an extremely sophomoric way of presenting an argument.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Because it shows the core of your fallicious thinking... that's why. If you don't like uniforms just say so. Understand that your reasons against them are illogical though, within the framework of other school rules and procedures. Just own that. To keep making your error in reasoning though is ridiculous. Make a different argument if you want to be taken seriously. As it is you and Henrin have fallicious arguments. IF you don't care say so... but to say that my post was irrelevant or doesn't warrant a response only shows htat you are either dishonest or that you have an extremely sophomoric way of presenting an argument.
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Once again you find the arguments of those who do not share your opinion as being fallacious when in fact the points made drew on the differences of collectivism versus individualism. Collectivism chooses "group" solutions often at the loss of freedoms for others. Individualism focuses on the individual and preserving their rights. I have no doubt that many educators are thrilled with uniforms for it makes their jobs a lot easier instead of dealing with an individual. But then again a lot of educators are advocates for putting young "active" students on drugs such as Ritalin to make their job easier. Cheers.
 
Bodhisattva said:
My post was a perfectly logical analogy that goes to the root of your complete error... I can see why you found it irrelelvant.
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Talking about managing the classroom and where students sit has nothing to do with the topic at hand. You just have this funny idea that everything is within your reach when it's not.

You are making it personal when it isn't.
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It is personal. :shrug: Putting your say into what my child wears as if what I allow is not good enough makes this personal. Do you actually think I should take that as if it's not an insult?
 
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ChrisL said:
How does HE know she doesn't want to wear YOUR uniform? Maybe your uniform is styling! :mrgreen:
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Every uniform I have ever seen has been the exact opposite of styling. Am I to believe you have seen a uniform you would actually desire to wear?
 
Henrin said:
Every uniform I have ever seen has been the exact opposite of styling. Am I to believe you have seen a uniform you would actually desire to wear?
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Yes, a lot of times they are just skirts and a sweater for girls and pants and a sweater for boys.

These poor children, just look how they are suffering! Oh the horror, the HORROR! ;)

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I don't think uniforms are necessary but some sort of reasonable dress code is appropriate. So much importance was placed on clothing styles, clear skin and clique status at school.

It's their own little world of fantasy based importance that they should be allowed some freedom and time to revel in it before they're tossed into the harsh reality of self reliance, responsibility and earning a wage.
 
ChrisL said:
Yes, a lot of times they are just skirts and a sweater for girls and pants and a sweater for boys.

These poor children, just look how they are suffering! Oh the horror, the HORROR! ;)

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Damn girl, she be pimping that button down sweater vest. I swear, Grannie would be proud. Well, great great Grannie that is. And damn, a tie on a girl, what could be better. You know, other than just about anything.

I also love the school logos. Yeah, lets tag it up.
 
Henrin said:
Damn girl, she be pimping that button down sweater vest. I swear, Grannie would be proud. Well, great great Grannie that is. And damn, a tie on a girl, what could be better. You know, other than just about anything.

I also love the school logos. Yeah, lets tag it up.
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This is how you avoid distractions in school.
 
Henrin said:
Yeah, by making every girl in sight fugly.
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Oh so that's why you're against uniforms. You won't be able to see the school girls showing any skin?
 
ChrisL said:
Oh so that's why you're against uniforms. You won't be able to see the school girls showing any skin?
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Nope. I'm just saying they look really really really awful. You got button down sweaters, big ass ties, unshapely white dress shirts, ugly ass skirts, and weird bow tie shoes. What girl wants to wear that?
 
Henrin said:
Nope. I'm just saying they look really really really awful. You got button down sweaters, big ass ties, unshapely white dress shirts, ugly ass skirts, and weird bow tie shoes. What girl wants to wear that?
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So what? School is about learning, not a fashion show.
 
I think the question of whether a school has uniforms or not is one to be made by the person choosing the school. Socialized schools prevent this from happening, which is why discussions like this can to on for three hundred posts.
 
ChrisL said:
So what? School is about learning, not a fashion show.
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Let's remember where this all start is when you said his uniforms could be styling in which I commented by saying I have never seen a uniform that is styling. For some reason you then posted those ugly ass uniforms as a retort and apparently an example of uniforms that are styling. Uniforms are meant to be ugly as sin and since girls are the main group they are trying to look fugly they usually get put in something no one in their right mind would ever be caught dead in. Your example expresses this beautifully by putting them in button down sweaters, ties, suit jackets, dress shirts, plan and frankly fugly skirts, and bow tie shoes. If that is styling then apparently I'm not seeing the appeal of styling.
 
Henrin said:
Let's remember where this all start is when you said his uniforms could be styling in which I commented by saying I have never seen a uniform that is styling. For some reason you then posted those ugly ass uniforms as a retort and apparently an example of uniforms that are styling. Uniforms are meant to be ugly as sin and since girls are the main group they are trying to look fugly they usually get put in something no one in their right mind would ever be caught dead in. Your example expresses this beautifully by putting them in button down sweaters, ties, suit jackets, dress shirts, plan and frankly fugly skirts, and bow tie shoes. If that is styling then apparently I'm not seeing the appeal of styling.
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Obviously I was joking around. Those uniforms are not ugly either. They are conservative, yes, but they consist of just a plain skirt and a jacket. This helps the kids from being distracted when they should be learning. School is not a fashion show.
 
ChrisL said:
Obviously I was joking around. Those uniforms are not ugly either. They are conservative, yes, but they consist of just a plain skirt and a jacket. This helps the kids from being distracted when they should be learning. School is not a fashion show.
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Not ugly? How are they not ugly? There is a difference between restrained in style and blowing style the **** up in an attempt to make all the girls unappealing.
 
Henrin said:
Not ugly? How are they not ugly? There is a difference between restrained in style and blowing style the **** up in an attempt to make all the girls unappealing.
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They're not ugly. They're just plain. The girls look fine.
 
Look at the suffering these children are going through. They are just distraught about their uniforms. I think their lives actually might be in ruin now. Henrin you must save the children from such oppression! Oooooh the humanity!

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vesper said:
Once again you find the arguments of those who do not share your opinion as being fallacious when in fact the points made drew on the differences of collectivism versus individualism. Collectivism chooses "group" solutions often at the loss of freedoms for others. Individualism focuses on the individual and preserving their rights. I have no doubt that many educators are thrilled with uniforms for it makes their jobs a lot easier instead of dealing with an individual. But then again a lot of educators are advocates for putting young "active" students on drugs such as Ritalin to make their job easier. Cheers.
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Wrong. 100%. I find arguments that are fallacious, fallacious. Why is yours fallacious? Because you are making a collectivist argument against uniforms while ignoring the many other aspects of the education system that are also collectivists, as I have clearly pointed out. You are against collectivism. Mandatory classes are collectivist. So is telling students when they can and can't talk. When they can and can't eat. When they can and can't go to the bathroom. When they have to be at school and when they can leave it. Consequences for not being where you are told to be are collectivist. You support all of these other collectivist rules. They ALL stifle individuality. They all oppress. They all tell a parent what their child can and can't do. You are contradicting yourself. Your argument is fallacious at it's core. You couldn't be more wrong if you actually tried. Like I said, if you had a different reason for opposing uniforms you would have a valid and perhaps logical argument. As it is though, you and Henrin are about as contradictory and illogical in argument as any two that I have ever seen.
 
ChrisL said:
Look at the suffering these children are going through. They are just distraught about their uniforms. I think their lives actually might be in ruin now. Henrin you must save the children from such oppression! Oooooh the humanity!

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I would post pictures from our school of kids in their uniforms but I don't want to post were I teach... as above, our kids are dressed well, are comfortable and as far as I have ever heard have no problem with uniforms.
 
Henrin said:
Talking about managing the classroom and where students sit has nothing to do with the topic at hand. You just have this funny idea that everything is within your reach when it's not.
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It has everything to do with your argument which is about suppressing individuality. Everything I posted is 100% about your glaring contradiction. See above post to vesper...

It is personal. :shrug: Putting your say into what my child wears as if what I allow is not good enough makes this personal. Do you actually think I should take that as if it's not an insult?
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It is no more personal than me telling your kids or to tell students when they can and can't talk of eat while they are at school.
 
Bodhisattva said:
I would post pictures from our school of kids in their uniforms but I don't want to post were I teach... as above, our kids are dressed well, are comfortable and as far as I have ever heard have no problem with uniforms.
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I believe most schools in Japan utilize a uniform. Maybe that's one reason why their kids are so far ahead of ours academically. When the kids are looking at school as a place to make a fashion statement and look like something out of a fashion magazine, that is going to be distracting not only for them but also for the other kids IMO. I think it also contributes to creating cliquey type atmospheres.
 
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