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Do you support school uniforms?

What is your stance on School Uniforms?

  • Yes and the school should offer them at no extra cost.

    Votes: 20 18.3%

  • Yes and the parents should pay for them.

    Votes: 40 36.7%

  • They should be optional for students who want them

    Votes: 2 1.8%

  • There should be school uniforms for specific activities only

    Votes: 3 2.8%

  • We should leave it to the parents to decide if the school should have uniforms

    Votes: 10 9.2%

  • We should leave it at municipal/state level

    Votes: 10 9.2%

  • We shouldn't have school uniforms at all

    Votes: 24 22.0%

  • I like the current way things are.

    Votes: 5 4.6%

  • I hate uniforms

    Votes: 9 8.3%

  • I'm a potato.

    Votes: 13 11.9%
  • Total voters
    109
Slyfox696 said:
Right, you should be able to say any hateful thing about a class of citizens based solely upon their membership (voluntary or involuntary) to that class, but no one should be allowed to say anything hateful to you for your specific actions.

In other words, everyone should have freedom of speech, and "everyone" means everyone who thinks just like you. Got it. So you go on spouting your ridiculous nonsense to justify the hypocritical nature of your outrage and I'll be over here noting said hypocrisy.
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Oh I get it alright. Just like you flippantly concluded I was a racist among other things because I find your PC over the top. It's these kinds of statements used by people like you who are causing many to not voice or write what they really think because they fear the retaliation. It's quite a scam you got going. You stand on your soapbox declaring free speech for all while using tactics that amount to censorship of those who don't agree with you. You want to see a hypocrite, look in a mirror.
 
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vesper said:
Oh I get it alright.
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Your posting suggests otherwise.

Just like you flippantly concluded I was a racist among other things because I find your PC over the top.
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I did no such thing. I noted the fact in my experiences it is those who are prejudiced who are most likely to hate political correctness because they get "attacked" for their prejudiced views. I merely asked if you were one of them.

It's these kinds of statements used by people like you who are causing many to not voice or write what they really think because they fear the retaliation.
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Let me tell you now my heart is breaking at the thought of hate mongers not spewing their ignorant venom, causing emotional harm to people who have done nothing to deserve it. Breaking, I tell you.
It's quite a scam you got going. You stand on your soapbox declaring free speech for all while using tactics that amount to censorship of those who don't agree with you.
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:lamo

Says the person trying to shut everyone who disagrees with him/her up.

You want to see a hypocrite, look in a mirror.
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I'm not a hypocrite at all. I'm not the one telling you that you cannot spew your prejudiced hatred (if you are indeed prejudiced), I'm simply saying if you have the right to say what you want, I have the right to accurately call you out on it.

There's nothing hypocritical about my position at all. You are the one who complains about feeling silenced and wants your opposition to be silenced. Feel free to use your prejudiced terminology (again, if you are indeed prejudiced), just understand I'm going to feel free to note how prejudiced you are.
 
Henrin said:
If someone forced me as a kid to wear a uniform I would have hated their guts. Just sayin'..
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Me too. One of the reasons to get enthused about returning to school was the idea you were going to some really cool shoes and new stuff to wear. Have you checked out the webpages that sell school uniforms? Man they certainly eliminate the ability to express a personality through your clothing. Even the colors are bland. Sorta like spaghetti with no sauce. :) And as far as the student that is less than motivated to go to school, the clothing isn't going to help that situation for sure. I think I'll do a little research on inner city schools that have gone to uniforms and see if it has helped their huge dropout rates. ;)
 
vesper said:
Me too. One of the reasons to get enthused about returning to school was the idea you were going to some really cool shoes and new stuff to wear. Have you checked out the webpages that sell school uniforms? Man they certainly eliminate the ability to express a personality through your clothing. Even the colors are bland. Sorta like spaghetti with no sauce. :) And as far as the student that is less than motivated to go to school, the clothing isn't going to help that situation for sure. I think I'll do a little research on inner city schools that have gone to uniforms and see if it has helped their huge dropout rates. ;)
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Uniforms do nothing to make a kid not want to go to school. The entire notion is ridiculous.
 
vesper said:
Maybe our definitions of PC differ. Some hold it to basically be related to race and gender. And if that is the case then my post isn't going to make sense. PC has become a tool of censorship. When you have to censor your own words and thoughts or even your clothes to accommodate to someone else's sensitiveness over anything from politics to religion, then you no longer have the right to express yourself freely. We are now at the point where bad manners are a crime punishable by law. I understand the need for some type of dress code in public schools but to force them to wear uniforms combined with the censorship of their words and thoughts takes away just about every means of expression they have.
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They are kids. We tell them what to do all the time. What thye can and can't wear. Why should school be any different. You sound kinda like a drama queen, no offense. Stop being so dramatic. Dress codes and uniforms work just fine. Kids don't care.
 
Henrin said:
Considering my argument is about maintaining choice and yours is about having absolutely no choice it would seem to me that if you desire me to have meaty tomato sauce you would require I have it while I would say you can have it with or without the sauce.

You would say everyone benefits from people eating meaty sauce and therefore everyone will eat meaty sauce while I would say it is desirable you eat meaty sauce but aren't required to do so.
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There are lots of choices to be made... the sad part is that you think that it is the children that should get to make them and not the adults.
 
vesper said:
Me too. One of the reasons to get enthused about returning to school was the idea you were going to some really cool shoes and new stuff to wear. Have you checked out the webpages that sell school uniforms? Man they certainly eliminate the ability to express a personality through your clothing. Even the colors are bland. Sorta like spaghetti with no sauce. :) And as far as the student that is less than motivated to go to school, the clothing isn't going to help that situation for sure. I think I'll do a little research on inner city schools that have gone to uniforms and see if it has helped their huge dropout rates. ;)
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Oh yeah, thats the reason for being enthused about returning to school...showing off your new wardrobe. Sheesh. Going to school is a kid's "job." You should be enthused about learning something to get yourself ahead in this world.

Sounds much like exactly the kinda thing our kids are going to be learning these days...overconfidence based on trying to make a good first "wardrobe" impression. LOL :)
 
Captain Adverse said:
Oh yeah, thats the reason for being enthused about returning to school...showing off your new wardrobe. Sheesh. Going to school is a kid's "job." You should be enthused about learning something to get yourself ahead in this world.

Sounds much like exactly the kinda thing our kids are going to be learning these days...overconfidence based on trying to make a good first "wardrobe" impression. LOL :)
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Hopefully you are not an educator because an attitude like yours is a no starter and a total FAIL. Not all kids are enthused about learning. Tell them they have to wear a friggen uniform and that may be the cherry on the sundae that breaks them.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Oh yeah, thats the reason for being enthused about returning to school...showing off your new wardrobe. Sheesh. Going to school is a kid's "job." You should be enthused about learning something to get yourself ahead in this world.

Sounds much like exactly the kinda thing our kids are going to be learning these days...overconfidence based on trying to make a good first "wardrobe" impression. LOL :)
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I am just a normal dumb guy but I can't remember anybody dressing up or wearing new stuff for school. We wore what we were wearing for the last few weeks... just clothes. Washed, of course. Surf shirts and shorts. If some kid had some flash new shoes wwe would have made fun of him. Girls? No idea. My girlfriend just seemed to dress the same too though...
 
vesper said:
Hopefully you are not an educator because an attitude like yours is a no starter and a total FAIL. Not all kids are enthused about learning. Tell them they have to wear a friggen uniform and that may be the cherry on the sundae that breaks them.
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I am an educator. Been teaching for over ten years. Private school. Public school. Gang infested inner city school. Two different countries. Schools with and without uniforms. My experience most like trounces yours into a billion pieces. The first year or two kids might complain, then they get used to it. The younger they are the more that they could care less too...
 
vesper said:
Hopefully you are not an educator because an attitude like yours is a no starter and a total FAIL. Not all kids are enthused about learning. Tell them they have to wear a friggen uniform and that may be the cherry on the sundae that breaks them.
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Well, you're in luck. I am not NOW an educator. I was one for five years though, does that count? I was also a Primary School student for 18 years too...including periods when they did require strict dress codes in some schools I attended.

One thing I did learn as a educator, if a kid is not interested in learning its MY JOB to fix that, not ignore it. DUH!
 
Bodhisattva said:
They are kids. We tell them what to do all the time. What thye can and can't wear. Why should school be any different. You sound kinda like a drama queen, no offense. Stop being so dramatic. Dress codes and uniforms work just fine. Kids don't care.
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Excuse me if you think students don't care then they are under 10 and don't know that their parents have agreed to dismantle their 1st amendment rights.

I've listen to the proponents of school uniforms claiming they would instill discipline and prevent gang-related violence. They say uniforms and some dress codes lessen peer pressure aggravated by socioeconomic divisions. This debate has been raging for over a decade and there is no proof that is the case. But what it does do is teach these minds of mush making them all dress like one another is that everyone should be socioeconomically equal. That spread the wealth and social justice (the foundation of socialism) is just and right.

In Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District (1969). In this famous decision, the Court ruled 7-2 that public school officials could not censor student expression — the wearing of black armbands, in that case — unless they could reasonably forecast that the student expression would cause substantial disruption or material interference with school activities or would invade the rights of others. The black arm bands were in protest to the Vietnam war. Several school distrists have overcome zealots in their communities trying to implement school uniform by using this case. May they continue to have success.

And as for you dress your kid(s) in their uniforms and let their little minds of mush be indoctrinated. :lamo
 
ACLU has fought successfully for kids to wear hats in some high schools but stopped at the classroom when warned of the blowback from Veterans' groups due to classrooms with flags. Now have fun "EACH" period telling teenagers to take off hats when entering and leave them off. Total distraction.
vesper said:
Hopefully you are not an educator because an attitude like yours is a no starter and a total FAIL. Not all kids are enthused about learning. Tell them they have to wear a friggen uniform and that may be the cherry on the sundae that breaks them.
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Captain Adverse said:
Well, you're in luck. I am not NOW an educator. I was one for five years though, does that count? I was also a Primary School student for 18 years too...including periods when they did require strict dress codes in some schools I attended.

One thing I did learn as a educator, if a kid is not interested in learning its MY JOB to fix that, not ignore it. DUH!
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Well then show them the 6 or so colors of polo shirts you want them to wear and see if that helps get them interested in attending class duh!! Good luck with that one.
 
33 years + 4 more retired but still teaching in some aspects; you must have forgotten or never felt the sting of being made fun of due to cliques and not having the latest trends; have you noticed how short the shorts are on girls these days; perverts have
vesper said:
Hopefully you are not an educator because an attitude like yours is a no starter and a total FAIL. Not all kids are enthused about learning. Tell them they have to wear a friggen uniform and that may be the cherry on the sundae that breaks them.
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vesper said:
Excuse me if you think students don't care then they are under 10 and don't know that their parents have agreed to dismantle their 1st amendment rights.

I've listen to the proponents of school uniforms claiming they would instill discipline and prevent gang-related violence. They say uniforms and some dress codes lessen peer pressure aggravated by socioeconomic divisions. This debate has been raging for over a decade and there is no proof that is the case. But what it does do is teach these minds of mush making them all dress like one another is that everyone should be socioeconomically equal. That spread the wealth and social justice (the foundation of socialism) is just and right.

In Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District (1969). In this famous decision, the Court ruled 7-2 that public school officials could not censor student expression — the wearing of black armbands, in that case — unless they could reasonably forecast that the student expression would cause substantial disruption or material interference with school activities or would invade the rights of others. The black arm bands were in protest to the Vietnam war. Several school distrists have overcome zealots in their communities trying to implement school uniform by using this case. May they continue to have success.

And as for you dress your kid(s) in their uniforms and let their little minds of mush be indoctrinated. :lamo
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I am going to say this really slowly for you... wearing a uniform does not indoctrinate kids. They have minds of their own. They express themselves.

If you are talking about my kids in that last sentence then we can have a discussion about that if you like. We could even meet up if you like. Don't talk about my kids who are already vastly more intelligent than you appear to be.

Your socio-economic argument is off point since people know who does and does not have money. It does reduce gang pressures. It helps lower socio-economic families as they don't have to purchase as much clothing.

Last thing... kids don't have 1st Amendment rights. A parent would understand this...
 
I suppose you support kids texting all day at school also. BOEs, spineless adminstrators and worn-down parents have given up on many of their teenagers. Start the period at your door greeting students, then go stand behind them, then tell them to look forward.
vesper said:
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Well then show them the 6 or so colors of polo shirts you want them to wear and see if that helps get them interested in attending class duh!! Good luck with that one.
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Tell this nimrod to try wearing a hat into any of the pricey suburban high schools around Chicago, whether it be for a sporting event--parent-teacher conference or whatever. These schools have "non-stop" police presence and they "open-carry". Gang-bang 101
Bodhisattva said:
I am going to say this really slowly for you... wearing a uniform does not indoctrinate kids. They have minds of their own. They express themselves.

If you are talking about my kids in that last sentence then we can have a discussion about that if you like. We could even meet up if you like. Don't talk about my kids who are already vastly more intelligent than you appear to be.

Your socio-economic argument is off point since people know who does and does not have money. It does reduce gang pressures. It helps lower socio-economic families as they don't have to purchase as much clothing.

Last thing... kids don't have 1st Amendment rights. A parent would understand this...
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NIMBY said:
33 years + 4 more retired but still teaching in some aspects; you must have forgotten or never felt the sting of being made fun of due to cliques and not having the latest trends; have you noticed how short the shorts are on girls these days; perverts have
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Nimby, I understand the need for a dress code. When a girl shows up in class in a pair of shorts with half her ass exposed it's an issue. When a young man comes into class with his underwear showing and his pants are down to his knees, that's an issue. But to deny a student to wear a teeshirt depicting his favorite sports team, or an American Flag, or something religious or political that depicts who this individual is, it shouldn't be any skin off of anyone's nose. If you want to teach diversity then you need to allow an atmosphere where it can be experienced.
 
NIMBY said:
Tell this nimrod to try wearing a hat into any of the pricey suburban high schools around Chicago, whether it be for a sporting event--parent-teacher conference or whatever. These schools have "non-stop" police presence and they "open-carry". Gang-bang 101
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He sounds like a kid frightened that it might actually happen to him and ruin his senior year...
 
vesper said:
Nimby, I understand the need for a dress code. When a girl shows up in class in a pair of shorts with half her ass exposed it's an issue. When a young man comes into class with his underwear showing and his pants are down to his knees, that's an issue. But to deny a student to wear a teeshirt depicting his favorite sports team, or an American Flag, or something religious or political that depicts who this individual is, it shouldn't be any skin off of anyone's nose. If you want to teach diversity then you need to allow an atmosphere where it can be experienced.
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Prove wearing aa uniform prohibits diversity.
 
NIMBY said:
33 years + 4 more retired but still teaching in some aspects; you must have forgotten or never felt the sting of being made fun of due to cliques and not having the latest trends; have you noticed how short the shorts are on girls these days; perverts have
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So? Kids get picked on and girls wear sexy clothes. None of that is new.
 
NIMBY said:
I suppose you support kids texting all day at school also. BOEs, spineless adminstrators and worn-down parents have given up on many of their teenagers. Start the period at your door greeting students, then go stand behind them, then tell them to look forward.
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No nimrod, I don't support kids texting all day in school. But I do support students having the right to wear clothing that may express political, religious, and other personal views. How in the hell you managed to take that to texting is beyond me except for the possibility that you had to dig for the ridiculous instead of addressing school apparel.
 
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