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Do you support school uniforms?

What is your stance on School Uniforms?

  • Yes and the school should offer them at no extra cost.

    Votes: 20 18.3%
  • Yes and the parents should pay for them.

    Votes: 40 36.7%
  • They should be optional for students who want them

    Votes: 2 1.8%
  • There should be school uniforms for specific activities only

    Votes: 3 2.8%
  • We should leave it to the parents to decide if the school should have uniforms

    Votes: 10 9.2%
  • We should leave it at municipal/state level

    Votes: 10 9.2%
  • We shouldn't have school uniforms at all

    Votes: 24 22.0%
  • I like the current way things are.

    Votes: 5 4.6%
  • I hate uniforms

    Votes: 9 8.3%
  • I'm a potato.

    Votes: 13 11.9%

  • Total voters
    109
Nothing prepares kids better for prison then getting them used to uniforms.
LOL. That's a little extreme don't you think? Besides, they look cute in them. When we make them wear orange jumpsuits with leg irons, then I'll be on your side.
 
As the mom of two teenaged girls, I'd love uniforms. It's an equalizer between the classes, which is greatly needed at this age. So much animosity between kids these days, with "You aren't as good as me because you don't have "blah blah blah" clothes." I like how uniforms take the focus off of how much money someone has, and at least tries to put the focus on academics.

Plus, holy guacamole, I just paid almost $1,000 for school clothes for 2 girls, and they didn't even get a lot - 5 pairs of pants/jeans each, 5 shirts each, a pair of sneaks each, a pair of sandals each, a 6-pack of socks each, a package of undergarments each, and that's it. $1,000. That's not including school supplies, $800 a year for lunches, and everything else.

See, for a guy that would be a lot of clothes...apparently for a girl? Not so much! LOL

That's a lot of money! You are such a good mommy. :) BTW, any more mice in your sink? Or was that someone else.... :confused:
 
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Thanks for sharing your opinions. You are wrong.

Am I wrong? To be an individual means you accept certain risks, while on the other hand if you conform to the group many of those risks go with that decision. I already knew this long before I learned of any studies results on school uniforms or heard anyone talk of the benefits of schools having uniforms. It takes no amount of study to know that if everyone dressed the same that people would have less to separate themselves from others and this would cause certain tensions to be resolved as a result. Anyone with any amount of experience in this world can figure it out on their own. You aren't teaching me anything by reporting on it and I'm not at all moved by any of the benefits you have presented. Sorry, but I find nothing of value in simply being part of a collective.
 
Individuality is good.
 
See, for a guy that would be a lot of clothes...apparently for a girl? Not so much! LOL

That's a lot of money! You are such a good mommy. :) BTW, any more mice in your sink? Or was that someone else.... :confused:

Thanks! And no, no mice for me. Must be someone else. Although we have had water moccasins in our neighborhood over the last few days. I think I'd rather have the mice!
 
Am I wrong? To be an individual means you accept certain risks, while on the other hand if you conform to the group many of those risks go with that decision. I already knew this long before I learned of any studies results on school uniforms or heard anyone talk of the benefits of schools having uniforms. It takes no amount of study to know that if everyone dressed the same that people would have less to separate themselves from others and this would cause certain tensions to be resolved as a result. Anyone with any amount of experience in this world can figure it out on their own. You aren't teaching me anything by reporting on it and I'm not at all moved by any of the benefits you have presented. Sorry, but I find nothing of value in simply being part of a collective.

I know that I am not teaching you anything... you are a poor student. As a teacher that has over 20 years experience in private schools, inner cty schools, uniforms, no uniforms and that has taught in two different countries my knowledge and expertise far outweighs anything that you could offer. Your insistence that it causes an individual to lose individuality just doesn't exist. It is flat out incorrect. You are wrong. I can't put it any more simply or directly than that. It has nothing to do with a collective. Your conclusion that it would cause tension is simply wrong. To indicate that it takes some experience in this world to understand this is ridiculous. You are hopelessly wrong. I am more worried about becoming assimulated into the Borg collective than one brought on by school uniforms. I would suggest that you get some more experience in this world before indicating that you have much of your own....
 
Thousands of high-end private schools would prove you wrong.

They end up white collar crime and have better lawyers that keep them out of prison.
 
Eh, i wore school uniform for my entire schooling apart from my last year as i chose to transfer schools to do a particular subject for my TER score that my current School did not offer.

School uniforms were so much better and easier. Hands down.
 
I know that I am not teaching you anything... you are a poor student. As a teacher that has over 20 years experience in private schools, inner cty schools, uniforms, no uniforms and that has taught in two different countries my knowledge and expertise far outweighs anything that you could offer. Your insistence that it causes an individual to lose individuality just doesn't exist. It is flat out incorrect. You are wrong. I can't put it any more simply or directly than that. It has nothing to do with a collective. Your conclusion that it would cause tension is simply wrong. To indicate that it takes some experience in this world to understand this is ridiculous. You are hopelessly wrong. I am more worried about becoming assimulated into the Borg collective than one brought on by school uniforms. I would suggest that you get some more experience in this world before indicating that you have much of your own....

I didn't say uniforms would create tensions, but that it would resolve tensions. In fact, I admit that all of your arguments are true. I just don't consider them worth anything.

Btw, do you actually know the reason that the military spends so much time worrying about appearances? I know you will say discipline, but that comes as a result of what they are doing.
 
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LOL. That's a little extreme don't you think? Besides, they look cute in them. When we make them wear orange jumpsuits with leg irons, then I'll be on your side.

They have no choice in being there.

They can't leave.

They are told where to be and when to be there

They are provided little lunches that taste like wallpaper. These days school are more and more focused on only providing kids healthy food and attempting to remove all sorts of choices children might make that schools find "unacceptable". Guess who else is only interested in providing healthy food that tastes like wallpaper? Prison.

In the case of school uniforms they are told exactly what to wear without exception and in many cases without deviation. However, if they are allowed some deviation it's always extremely limited.

Schools are a prison for children. Look at the evidence and it's all right there. It acts like a prison, it operates like a prison, and hell, it's even monitored like a prison.
 
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LOL. That's a little extreme don't you think? Besides, they look cute in them. When we make them wear orange jumpsuits with leg irons, then I'll be on your side.
School uniforms do come in orange, and why not its much more visible right?

Thousands of high-end private schools would prove you wrong.
Dont worry about it, I wasnt being serious.

Clothing isnt going to make anyone go to prison. Some people want kids to wear school uniforms though because they think that clothing will make all the difference in their education.
Or they will claim that it will somehow erase the fact that some kids have more or less money. They forget that the same kids live near each other and dont wear school uniforms around the neighborhood.


In 1998 they did some research on school uniforms: Research: Effects of Student Uniforms...


Student uniform use was not significantly correlated with any of the school commitment variables such as absenteeism, behavior, or substance use (drugs). In addition, students wearing uniforms did not appear to have any significantly different academic preparedness, proschool attitudes, or peer group structures with proschool attitudes than other students. Moreover, the negative correlations between the attitudinal variables and the various outcomes of interest are significant; hence, the predictive analysis provides more substantive results. David L. Brunsma, D.L. and Rockquemore, K.A. (1998) Effects of Student Uniforms on Attendance, Behavior Problems, Substance Abuse, and Academic Achievement, The Journal of Education Research Volume 92, Number 1, Sept./Oct. 1998, pp. 53-62
 
So are all forms of discipline - should we toss those too?

Discipline is a means to an end, not an end to itself. The goal of discipline in school should be to provide kids with learning skills, knowledge and to create a school environment conducive to learning. That type of necessary discipline does not require stifling individuality and forced conformity, beyond conformity to the rules required to maintain a good learning environment.
 
Btw, do you actually know the reason that the military spends so much time worrying about appearances? I know you will say discipline, but that comes as a result of what they are doing.

I was not the one talking about the military... but the reason is psychological. Brainwashing.

I didn't say uniforms would create tensions, but that it would resolve tensions. In fact, I admit that all of your arguments are true.

That is all that matter...

I just don't consider them worth anything.

That's fine. They are though...
 
I was not the one talking about the military... but the reason is psychological. Brainwashing.

Which removing individuality and promoting conformity is part of.

That is all that matter...

So you only care about maintaining order? That is kind of sad.

That's fine. They are though...

Your arguments would have merit if you weren't trying to do the most extreme thing possible here. Not allowing individual expression is simply unacceptable.
 
So you only care about maintaining order? That is kind of sad.

You said that all of my arguments were true... They are. That is all that matters.

Your arguments would have merit if you weren't trying to do the most extreme thing possible here. Not allowing individual expression is simply unacceptable

Parents already do the most extreme thing possible here... and trhat is to not allow individual expression of their children. This is just an extension of that. You don't see merit in my argument but my argument is literally perfect in its logic.
 
I do not support school uniforms in public schools. Private schools is another matter. I am a strong advocate for individualism. I'm really getting tired of the mamby pamby collectivist thinking so dominant in our society these days. Now dress codes in public schools have become so Political Correct that in many instances, students are not allowed to show any signs of political thought or religious expression. So much for the land of the free. If the student wants to show up in a NRA tee shirt, it shouldn't be any skin off of anyone's nose anymore than a student showing up in a red star socialist tee or sporting a Che Guevara motif. And that goes for religious items such as crucifixes, star of David, yamakas, or head coverings. No student should have to check in at the front door of any public school in this country any expression of such things.:twocents:
 
Which removing individuality and promoting conformity is part of.



So you only care about maintaining order? That is kind of sad.



Your arguments would have merit if you weren't trying to do the most extreme thing possible here. Not allowing individual expression is simply unacceptable.

If you can't maintain order, then nothing else matters. You can not educate anyone in a situation of chaos.
 
If you can't maintain order, then nothing else matters. You can not educate anyone in a situation of chaos.

I highly doubt that if we were dealing with chaos that uniforms would be best the way to resolve the problem.
 
I highly doubt that if we were dealing with chaos that uniforms would be best the way to resolve the problem.

Uniforms would only be a small part of the solution.
Having the adults in charge would be a much larger part of it.
 
If you can't maintain order, then nothing else matters. You can not educate anyone in a situation of chaos.
I think a lot rides on how you define chaos. For most educators who are the product of Political Correct Academia, the definition of chaos to them may be anything outside Political Correct thinking. In other words I think the case can be made the so called chaos is being conjured up by the educators themselves.
 
I think a lot rides on how you define chaos. For most educators who are the product of Political Correct Academia, the definition of chaos to them may be anything outside Political Correct thinking. In other words I think the case can be made the so called chaos is being conjured up by the educators themselves.

When I use the word, it means kids coming and going as they please, dressing and acting as they please, no structure to classes, students not paying attention to teachers, not finding in necessary to complete assignments, that sort of thing.

Thinking outside the box is a good thing. Any sort of thinking that actually gets the gray matter working is a good thing. Independent thought is not chaos.
 
I actually liked wearing my school uniform. It was also nice when we had special days and activities, and then we dressed casual.
 
I think a lot rides on how you define chaos. For most educators who are the product of Political Correct Academia, the definition of chaos to them may be anything outside Political Correct thinking. In other words I think the case can be made the so called chaos is being conjured up by the educators themselves.
I generally find those who are against political correctness are those who are racist, sexist or otherwise prejudiced and hate the fact they cannot express their prejudiced views without others calling them out for it. Does this describe you?

Wanting a strict dress code has nothing to do with political correctness. It has to do with promoting the best learning atmosphere possible.
 
I generally find those who are against political correctness are those who are racist, sexist or otherwise prejudiced and hate the fact they cannot express their prejudiced views without others calling them out for it. Does this describe you?

Wanting a strict dress code has nothing to do with political correctness. It has to do with promoting the best learning atmosphere possible.

I'm against political correctness for the most part, but I am for a dress code. I must be really mixed up! :mrgreen:
 
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