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Do you support school uniforms?

What is your stance on School Uniforms?

  • Yes and the school should offer them at no extra cost.

    Votes: 20 18.3%

  • Yes and the parents should pay for them.

    Votes: 40 36.7%

  • They should be optional for students who want them

    Votes: 2 1.8%

  • There should be school uniforms for specific activities only

    Votes: 3 2.8%

  • We should leave it to the parents to decide if the school should have uniforms

    Votes: 10 9.2%

  • We should leave it at municipal/state level

    Votes: 10 9.2%

  • We shouldn't have school uniforms at all

    Votes: 24 22.0%

  • I like the current way things are.

    Votes: 5 4.6%

  • I hate uniforms

    Votes: 9 8.3%

  • I'm a potato.

    Votes: 13 11.9%
  • Total voters
    109
Henrin said:
I really don't think you understand that my argument revolves around individuality and a complete rejection of rules designed to teach conformity.
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You must have never seen or read Lord of the Flies. The psychological aspects of that story are based on truth.
 
Henrin said:
McDonald workers have a choice to work at that certain establishment, while children do not have a choice in their situation.
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Exactly. "Children do not have a choice." They are a protected class, which means their liberty rights are restricted while occupying that class. Parent's decide many things for them, and when they are at school the faculty and administration are empowered to act in loco parentis until a parent shows up. The government also has the authority to permanently remove children from the parent's control if it is determined they are being placed at risk.

Soooo, children can be required to wear uniforms in order to attend school if it is reasonably determined to be in their best interests.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Kids don't have a choice in their bedtime, what they will eat for dinner or when they will have a play with their friends either. As a parent I tell them what to do. As a teacher I tell them what to do. They are kids. Can't remember if you have kids or not but it sure as hell doesn't sound like you do.
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You made this argument to me a few years ago. I didn't consider it good enough then and I don't now.
 
Henrin said:
I really don't think you understand that my argument revolves around individuality and a complete rejection of rules designed to teach conformity.
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Aren't you pro-life?
 
Henrin said:
You made this argument to me a few years ago. I didn't consider it good enough then and I don't now.
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Do you have kids?
 
Captain Adverse said:
Exactly. "Children do not have a choice." They are a protected class, which means their liberty rights are restricted while occupying that class. Parent's decide many things for them, and when they are at school the faculty and administration are empowered to act in loco parentis until a parent shows up. The government also has the authority to permanently remove children from the parent's control if it is determined they are being placed at risk.

Soooo, children can be required to wear uniforms in order to attend school if it is reasonably determined to be in their best interests.
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Sorry... he doesn't buy that argument. Kids should have equal rights with regards to the decision making process of their lives as adults...
 
Bodhisattva said:
Sorry... he doesn't buy that argument. Kids should have equal rights with regards to the decision making process of their lives as adults...
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That is not what I said.
 
The uniform is supposed to present the school it self, just like it was mentioned for McDonald workers.
Soldiers - i'm sure none of them like the uniform but it present their state not their desire. Everyone would like to fight with short pants and T-shirt. :2razz:

We are supposed to adapt our clothes based on the environment.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Sorry... he doesn't buy that argument. Kids should have equal rights with regards to the decision making process of their lives as adults...
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Perhaps, but if public schools ever went to uniforms he always has the right to either home school, or enroll his kids in a private school. Of course many private schools require uniforms sooo... ;)
 
Henrin said:
What does that have to do with anything? Killing your own offspring has nothing in common with school uniforms.
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It is a logical manner in which to test your reasoning... you don't support a woman's right to individuality but you do for kids that want to wear what they want to wear. It is contradictory.

That is not what I said.
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Nobody seems to know what you are saying then...

You can easily search for that answer.
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You could have more easily just answered... I will take that as a no. And that tells me a lot about your understanding of kids. Basically, you know jack ****.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Perhaps, but if public schools ever went to uniforms he always has the right to either home school, or enroll his kids in a private school. Of course many private schools require uniforms sooo... ;)
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Yep. There are probably some good reasons against uniforms, I guess, but I don't see any coming from him.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Yep. There are probably some good reasons against uniforms, I guess, but I don't see any coming from him.
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I am old enough to remember having to go to school in a shirt, slacks and tie. The prime reasons we tried to get that changed was freedom of personal expression. That typically meant wearing jeans and a white t-shirt. Anyone else rememeber when T-shirts were all plain and white? LOL
 
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Bodhisattva said:
It is a logical manner in which to test your reasoning... you don't support a woman's right to individuality but you do for kids that want to wear what they want to wear. It is contradictory.
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What? Individuality doesn't mean committing homicide.

Nobody seems to know what you are saying then...
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Explain the connection if you want.

You could have more easily just answered... I will take that as a no. And that tells me a lot about your understanding of kids. Basically, you know jack ****.
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I have no reason to answer just because you find yourself wondering about it. I have told you before the answer and if I recall it wasn't even that long ago. If you had done the search you would have found your answer along with information about my experience with children.
 
Henrin said:
What? Individuality doesn't mean committing homicide.
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Uh-huh...

I have no reason to answer just because you find yourself wondering about it. I have told you before the answer and if I recall it wasn't even that long ago. If you had done the search you would have found your answer along with information about my experience with children.
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I have asked you questions which you won't answer... made analogies that you have ignored and searched your page for kids... I have no idea where to find that info. Anyway... debating with you is fast becoming a waste of time.
 
Captain Adverse said:
I am old enough to remember having to go to school in a shirt, slacks and tie. The prime reasons we tried to get that changed was freedom of personal expression. That typically meant wearing jeans and a white t-shirt. Anyone else rememeber when T-shirts were all plain and white? LOL
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Not me... you sound like you are my dad's age. Born in '43.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Uh-huh...
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Uh-huh what? You're talking about ending the life of another human being.

I have asked you questions which you won't answer... made analogies that you have ignored and searched your page for kids... I have no idea where to find that info. Anyway... debating with you is fast becoming a waste of time.
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Who said we were debating? You're offering up arguments in support of the benefits from losing your individuality and conforming to the group. You can't hope to pull me to your side using it as the basis of your argument. I'm far to much of an individualist to consider it as a acceptable argument.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Not me... you sound like you are my dad's age. Born in '43.
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Not quite that old, but as an Air Force brat I lived in several different locales, including some with old school ideas. My dad was born in the late 20's, served in WWII and Korea. I was born in the 50's.
 
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Henrin said:
Uh-huh what? You're talking about ending the life of another human being.



Who said we were debating? You're offering up arguments in support of the benefits from losing your individuality and conforming to the group. You can't hope to pull me to your side using it as the basis of your argument. I'm far to much of an individualist to consider it as a acceptable argument.
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Thanks for sharing your opinions. You are wrong.
 
As the mom of two teenaged girls, I'd love uniforms. It's an equalizer between the classes, which is greatly needed at this age. So much animosity between kids these days, with "You aren't as good as me because you don't have "blah blah blah" clothes." I like how uniforms take the focus off of how much money someone has, and at least tries to put the focus on academics.

Plus, holy guacamole, I just paid almost $1,000 for school clothes for 2 girls, and they didn't even get a lot - 5 pairs of pants/jeans each, 5 shirts each, a pair of sneaks each, a pair of sandals each, a 6-pack of socks each, a package of undergarments each, and that's it. $1,000. That's not including school supplies, $800 a year for lunches, and everything else.
 
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