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Do you support school uniforms?

What is your stance on School Uniforms?

  • Yes and the school should offer them at no extra cost.

    Votes: 20 18.3%

  • Yes and the parents should pay for them.

    Votes: 40 36.7%

  • They should be optional for students who want them

    Votes: 2 1.8%

  • There should be school uniforms for specific activities only

    Votes: 3 2.8%

  • We should leave it to the parents to decide if the school should have uniforms

    Votes: 10 9.2%

  • We should leave it at municipal/state level

    Votes: 10 9.2%

  • We shouldn't have school uniforms at all

    Votes: 24 22.0%

  • I like the current way things are.

    Votes: 5 4.6%

  • I hate uniforms

    Votes: 9 8.3%

  • I'm a potato.

    Votes: 13 11.9%
  • Total voters
    109
TheGirlNextDoor said:
My kids nothing went to parochial school for the first half of their elementary education. Uniforms were no more expensive than regular street clothes.

I will say, I liked uniforms at that time, it took the hassle out of what they were wearing from day to day and prolonged the life of their other clothing.

Having said that, they are now both in high school and I don't think uniforms are a great idea. You would still have those kids that weren't up to "code" with their uniforms, kids would hate it, etc... I don't buy into the not being able to express ones individuality argument, since kids normally want to fit in with their peer group.

I WOULD however like to see the schools actually ENFORCE the dress code they put in place. That in itself would make a world of difference.. no saggy ass pants, no ball caps screwed on sideways, no see through clothing, shorts short enough they don't cover your by-god... schools have dress codes in place, but are extremely lack in enforcing them.

Anyone that says even a dress code is too much for kids...I'd say "welcome to how the real world works". Every place you will ever work has some kind of dress code. Wear your own "individual style" on your own time...that's what everyone else does.
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Dress codes only work if the parents support them. If it's the teacher's fault when the school has to call the parents to bring appropriate clothing, and/or if the parent can not be reached or refuses to do anything about their child's dress, then it won't work, and there's no point to even having a dress code.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Dress codes only work if the parents support them. If it's the teacher's fault when the school has to call the parents to bring appropriate clothing, and/or if the parent can not be reached or refuses to do anything about their child's dress, then it won't work, and there's no point to even having a dress code.
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Not saying it's the teachers fault at all. And I'm talking high school level.

How about, you come to school out of dress code, your parent or guardian is notified and said child is sent home with an unexcused absence. Every time it happens, same thing.

So many unexcused absences equal going to court for truancy, and guess who is punished?

Said parent or guardian. They don't want to be involved? Tough ****. You don't want to be responsible for your children, we will FORCE you to be involved.
 
TheGirlNextDoor said:
Not saying it's the teachers fault at all. And I'm talking high school level.

How about, you come to school out of dress code, your parent or guardian is notified and said child is sent home with an unexcused absence. Every time it happens, same thing.

So many unexcused absences equal going to court for truancy, and guess who is punished?

Said parent or guardian. They don't want to be involved? Tough ****. You don't want to be responsible for your children, we will FORCE you to be involved.
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Or, better yet, you could have a system with no attendance boundaries, but with each school adopting its own standards for behavior and achievement.

I'm sorry, Jimmy, but this school has a dress code. If you don't like it, that's fine, just find another school. What, Mrs. Jones? You like to have him here? OK, fine. You dress him, just like you did when he was in Kindergarten. What, Jimmy, you want to be treated like an adult? Great. Act like one, then.
 
I would think dress codes would be even harder to enforce. You'd have parents that don't agree with them, kids who would push the envelope, and so on. Plus, consistent enforcement between all teachers and/or administrators would be next to impossible. Not all people in such position have the same ability to enforce, let alone even the same interpretations themselves what the dress code means.
 
Only for girls.

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But seriously, I'm against them. This is the USA where we claim to value individuality and we all need to learn to live with diversity and learn tolerance. The main benefit of school uniforms is that older people perceive kids in unforms as better behaved and less dangerous.
 
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Hard Truth said:
Only for girls.

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But seriously, I'm against them. This is the USA where we all need to learn to live with diversity and learn tolerance. The main benefit of school uniforms is that older people perceive kids in unforms as better behaved and less dangerous/
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Christ. :roll:
 
Hard Truth said:
Only for girls.

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But seriously, I'm against them. This is the USA where we claim to value individuality and we all need to learn to live with diversity and learn tolerance. The main benefit of school uniforms is that older people perceive kids in unforms as better behaved and less dangerous.
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That could be a tad distracting for the boys.

On the other hand, you could institute a reward system... no, that could cause some problems.
 
TheGirlNextDoor said:
Christ. :roll:
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The pix ... U have got to be kidding!

One thing that I would really like to see for the school scene,
probably wont happen, but I can dream.
The agreement from parents that the kids will NOT
be exposed to TV or video games until they are at least 14,
Also there is a LOT of total madness going on with kids getting piercings
& tattoos (whatever ... .) and brats using cosmetics, who are they trying to impress?
I can dig it if there is an 18 year-old wearing the paint and she is trying to impress
a potential mate ... ok, I get it, but some high school brat wearing the paint to school
has no business at all wasting the time + $ on cosmetics. What is going on around here?
Consumerism is NOT sustainable!
 
Rainman05 said:
I think they're a great idea for most schools.

They boost integration and respect and I also think they should be free of charge for the parents initially. Each student should have 3 (random number > 1) school uniforms given by the school at the sizes of the student and if the parents want additional school uniforms, they should pay for them.

So what do you think?
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Yes. I don't know who should have to pay for them but the girls in my highschool were half naked and the boys wore pants that lay closer to the knee then the hip so they waddled like penguins with their boxers hanging out and thought it was cool, it was not. It was horrifying.

So to save everyone from the horrors of my past I would propose school uniforms as not only a viable alternative but also one that will save parents the trouble of buying new clothes each school year so that there kids can stay up with the latest trends (it gets expensive...apparently and creates another forum for bullying). It would also force them to find other more creative ways of expressing themselves and create a sense of belonging and solidarity.
 
Which style should be implemented?
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Japanese
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British
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or Australian?


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Perhaps we should go with these uniforms specially designed for schools serving low income children to help prepare them for their future.
 
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Any choice of uniform brings dignity to the educational experience and encourages discipline.
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radcen said:
I would think dress codes would be even harder to enforce. You'd have parents that don't agree with them, kids who would push the envelope, and so on. Plus, consistent enforcement between all teachers and/or administrators would be next to impossible. Not all people in such position have the same ability to enforce, let alone even the same interpretations themselves what the dress code means.
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On the contrary, strict dress codes are easier to enforce. It takes much of the "well, I THINK it's okay" out of the equation.

It's easier to enforce. I've enforced a loose dress code and a strict one and the strict one is easier.
Hard Truth said:
But seriously, I'm against them. This is the USA where we claim to value individuality
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We may "claim" it, but we don't practice it. Employers have dress codes for employees, people never question political leaders who have the correct letter behind their name, we socialize in groups and often change our personality to fit in.

Americans very much do not value individuality. Whether that's a good thing or bad thing is not for me to decide, but Americans are scared to be individuals. Always remember this...you're unique, just like everybody else.
 
Slyfox696 said:
On the contrary, strict dress codes are easier to enforce. It takes much of the "well, I THINK it's okay" out of the equation.

It's easier to enforce. I've enforced a loose dress code and a strict one and the strict one is easier.
We may "claim" it, but we don't practice it. Employers have dress codes for employees, people never question political leaders who have the correct letter behind their name, we socialize in groups and often change our personality to fit in.

Americans very much do not value individuality. Whether that's a good thing or bad thing is not for me to decide, but Americans are scared to be individuals. Always remember this...you're unique, just like everybody else.
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A well-defined code would be best, but that still doesn't account for people's varying ability for enforcement, which does exist.
 
radcen said:
A well-defined code would be best, but that still doesn't account for people's varying ability for enforcement, which does exist.
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Their ability to enforce does not vary, only their desire to do so. Their ability to enforce actually improves, since much of the subjectivity is removed.

Some teachers won't pay attention...not because of any malicious reason, just because they have not trained themselves to do so. On the other hand, given all I know about the situation, I've trained myself to look for those who mistakenly dress in violation of the rules. I don't catch everyone, but I catch most of them. And all it takes is one person catching them.
 
Slyfox696 said:
Their ability to enforce does not vary, only their desire to do so. Their ability to enforce actually improves, since much of the subjectivity is removed.

Some teachers won't pay attention...not because of any malicious reason, just because they have not trained themselves to do so. On the other hand, given all I know about the situation, I've trained myself to look for those who mistakenly dress in violation of the rules. I don't catch everyone, but I catch most of them. And all it takes is one person catching them.
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You really do not understand people, do you? All people have varying personalities. Some are gung-ho, some are meek, most are somewhere in between. For example, not everybody can be an effective police officer just by being trained to be one and/or having the desire. Some people command respect, some do not. If you really cannot grasp the idea that not everybody is like you then I question your effectiveness as an educator.

Yeah yeah yeah, you'll protest your awesomeness, but the evidence here at DP suggests otherwise. Arrogance =/= awesomeness.
 
radcen said:
You really do not understand people, do you? All people have varying personalities. Some are gung-ho, some are meek, most are somewhere in between. For example, not everybody can be an effective police officer just by being trained to be one and/or having the desire. Some people command respect, some do not. If you really cannot grasp the idea that not everybody is like you then I question your effectiveness as an educator.

Yeah yeah yeah, you'll protest your awesomeness, but the evidence here at DP suggests otherwise. Arrogance =/= awesomeness.
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Your rant against me makes absolutely no sense in the context of what I said. The benefit of a strict dress code is that personalities have nothing to do with determining if a student is meeting the dress code or not. It's a simple black and white situation. "Are they wearing a belt? No? They are in violation." "Is their shirt one solid color? Yes? Then they are fine".

Your attack on me was not only baseless, it was also completely irrelevant to the discussion. I have no idea why you chose to attack me, but at least wait until you have something worth attacking.

My guess is there is only one of us who does not understand how things work, and it's not me, the person who has worked in a school district with a loose code who switched to a strict one.
 
No, uniforms are designed to stifle individuality and to conform to the group. I can not support anything that takes away someones ability to express themselves or restrains it to such a strict level as uniforms are known for.
 
Henrin said:
No, uniforms are designed to stifle individuality and to conform to the group. I can not support anything that takes away someones ability to express themselves or restrains it to such a strict level as uniforms are known for.
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So are all forms of discipline - should we toss those too?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
So are all forms of discipline - should we toss those too?
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You're for school uniforms? Really? I don't see how school uniforms are about discipline, sorry.
 
Henrin said:
No, uniforms are designed to stifle individuality and to conform to the group. I can not support anything that takes away someones ability to express themselves or restrains it to such a strict level as uniforms are known for.
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As I said earlier in the thread, as a student myself, I wore/didn't wear uniforms, and my kids both did/didn't wear uniforms. I'm a huge fan. Uniforms save money, cut down on unnecessary distractions in class, and help facilitate learning. Truthfully, I couldn't care less about nurturing students' "individuality" as expressed by fashion when they're at school. There's plenty of time outside of class and on weekends for kids to express themselves.
 
nota bene said:
As I said earlier in the thread, as a student myself, I wore/didn't wear uniforms, and my kids both did/didn't wear uniforms. I'm a huge fan. Uniforms save money, cut down on unnecessary distractions in class, and help facilitate learning. Truthfully, I couldn't care less about nurturing students' "individuality" as expressed by fashion when they're at school. There's plenty of time outside of class and on weekends for kids to express themselves.
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What distractions in class? I don't remember any distractions in class growing up caused from clothes. People keep saying this kind of stuff, but I honestly don't get it. I'm constantly looking for ways to have as little rules as possible on individuals and taking away choice completely is entirely unacceptable. Uniforms have a purpose and anyone at all knowledgeable about their history knows it's not maintaining individuality. As an individualist I can not support collective minded gibberish, ever.
 
Henrin said:
Wow, I don't care about any of that. Thanks though.
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If you don't care about preventing discrimination based on economics, improving school attendance, and reducing distractions, then, of course, you're not going to be in favor of uniforms.
 
Henrin said:
What distractions in class? I don't remember any distractions in class growing up caused from clothes. People keep saying this kind of stuff, but I honestly don't get it. I'm constantly looking for ways to have as little rules as possible on individuals and taking away choice completely is entirely unacceptable. Uniforms have a purpose and anyone at all knowledgeable about their history knows it's not maintaining individuality. As an individualist I can not support collective minded gibberish, ever.
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Whale tails, camel toes, and nipples just to offer female examples.
 
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