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Is communism possible in the USA?

Is communism possible in the USA?

  • Yes, Soviet type of communism

    Votes: 9 9.1%
  • Yes, community type of communism

    Votes: 10 10.1%
  • Yes, religious type of communism

    Votes: 2 2.0%
  • Yes, other type of communism

    Votes: 12 12.1%
  • No, not possible

    Votes: 57 57.6%
  • Dunno

    Votes: 3 3.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 6 6.1%

  • Total voters
    99
gee I dunno once the Affordable Care Act fully implements I don't know where them Canadians are going to go to get good health care ;)
Well, they can always go to Costa Rica or India where a lot of Americans who can't afford health care have been going.



yup moot there's more of em everyday either fleeing from California or scurrying across our secure southern border.
Just like the white evangelical migrant farm workers that scurried there during the depression to get jobs with FDRs New Deal. Yup, they got their piece of the American pie and now they don't want anyone else to have any. So I find it very hard to believe there are very many socialists/commies in Phoenix. Tucson, maybe, but not Phoenix.
 
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When people understand the task and are working together towards a goal, that is not lack of self awareness. Competition is trying to eliminate the opponent, not the same thing. There are reason why the enlisted hate officers, same with owners and workers. The conflict of interest is ignored, instead of officers joining in, they rather sit in their tents. Workers do most of the work, owners are just concentrated on formulas, statistics and status.

Ah, so in your world owners and workers hate each other. Maybe you better just speak from your own perspective and I'll just accept that you hate whoever you work for. Most people don't. If you want to own a business, start a business. If you don't, then you can always sell your labor to someone else or engage in some other sort of productive trade. Most people don't have what it takes to go into business for themselves, so they ply their trade by selling their labor to an employer. The really small and petty among them hate their employer because they accepted the exchange of work for money. AT least here in the USA, it's a free country. If you don't like who you're working for, start your own business, move out to the middle of nowhere and raise your own food, start a commune.... If you hate whoever it is you work for, then I'd suggest taking one of those options so you can avoid the natural conflict your anti-social feelings will inevitably create if someone is foolish enough to give you a job.
 
exactly, some people side with the rich (even though they aren't) and some side with middle class. Its class warfare, except only one side knows its a war( rich).

Only the rich acknowledge it. It's a war the left is hell-bent on waging. Class-envy is a terrible thing, but it's human nature. People see what they don't have and they want it. They don't see what it took to get it and most sure as HELL don't care about doing what it takes to get it, but they still want the reward. That's why we have police and court systems and prisons. Without them, many of the have-nots that lack the work ethic to achieve the rewards they wish themselves also lack the decency not to act on their baser impulses. The prisons are full of people that fail to follow such rules and are unable to resist the temptation to steal what they want instead of working for it like everyone else.
 
To save the poll from influence, I will spare my opinion for the time being. :)

So, is communism possible in the USA?

What do you mean by "possible"?
 
in a war you destroy your enemy
in a capitalist society an employer's profitability would certainly be damaged
if he killed his employees and customers?

help me out here jag how do you measure wealth
thereby allowing you to decide who the Rich are?
in a war targeting the enemy is crucial, right?

In the civil war, there was a high chance of a general to die in war now its basically zero. Class warfare is not literally killing each other, wages and profits are what is being fought for.

The rich are the one 7 percent, not a small business owner. The walton family, Jay-z, newt gingrich, bill maher, john kerry, clinton family, rockefellers, vanderbilt and others. They are no democrats or republicans in their world, Just rich and poor.

The middle class doesn't understand this.
 
Actually, I do. And nothing in this discussion has very much to do with it.
Apparently note - at least when it comes to bees, ants, and genetics - or you wouldn't have said anything so silly.
 
communism is a great system, if applied to relatively small population groups of like-minded individuals. The problem comes in when you try to apply it to a society comprised of hundreds of millions of people.
 
Communism as traditionally enforced is not possible under the current Constitution.
 
Ah, so in your world owners and workers hate each other. Maybe you better just speak from your own perspective and I'll just accept that you hate whoever you work for. Most people don't. If you want to own a business, start a business. If you don't, then you can always sell your labor to someone else or engage in some other sort of productive trade. Most people don't have what it takes to go into business for themselves, so they ply their trade by selling their labor to an employer. The really small and petty among them hate their employer because they accepted the exchange of work for money. AT least here in the USA, it's a free country. If you don't like who you're working for, start your own business, move out to the middle of nowhere and raise your own food, start a commune.... If you hate whoever it is you work for, then I'd suggest taking one of those options so you can avoid the natural conflict your anti-social feelings will inevitably create if someone is foolish enough to give you a job.

Its not foolish when you get paid nickles and dimes. IN Europe, every student wants to go to switzerland for work. Do you know why, its because they get paid fair.Why does the walton family need enough money for the next five generations? Thats Feudalism not capitalism.


This is not a free country, to start a business you have to be an "accredited investor".
It is basically just a financial threshold. For individual investors, you need a net worth of $1 million (alone or with spouse) OR annual income of $200,000 (or $300,000 in joint income with spouse) in the two most recent years, with an expectation that you will continue to earn that this year.

From the SEC website http://www.sec.gov/answers/accre..., an Accredited Investor is defined as one of the following:

a bank, insurance company, registered investment company, business development company, or small business investment company;
an employee benefit plan, within the meaning of the Employee Retirement Income Security Act, if a bank, insurance company, or registered investment adviser makes the investment decisions, or if the plan has total assets in excess of $5 million;
a charitable organization, corporation, or partnership with assets exceeding $5 million;
a director, executive officer, or general partner of the company selling the securities;
a business in which all the equity owners are accredited investors;
a natural person who has individual net worth, or joint net worth with the person’s spouse, that exceeds $1 million at the time of the purchase.
a natural person with income exceeding $200,000 in each of the two most recent years or joint income with a spouse exceeding $300,000 for those years and a reasonable expectation of the same income level in the current year; or
a trust with assets in excess of $5 million, not formed to acquire the securities offered, whose purchases a sophisticated person makes.

Most people don't have that kind of money.

One more thing, Have you ever been to a marine corp ball? Enlisted marines celebrated together, with no officers.
 
Only the rich acknowledge it. It's a war the left is hell-bent on waging. Class-envy is a terrible thing, but it's human nature. People see what they don't have and they want it. They don't see what it took to get it and most sure as HELL don't care about doing what it takes to get it, but they still want the reward. That's why we have police and court systems and prisons. Without them, many of the have-nots that lack the work ethic to achieve the rewards they wish themselves also lack the decency not to act on their baser impulses. The prisons are full of people that fail to follow such rules and are unable to resist the temptation to steal what they want instead of working for it like everyone else.


No its because they do not have enough money to live, while the rich have enough to exceed. As the rich has more money the economy fails.



Year Bottom 99% Top 1%
1922 63.3% 36.7%
1929 55.8% 44.2%
1933 66.7% 33.3%
1939 63.6% 36.4%
1945 70.2% 29.8%
1949 72.9% 27.1%
1953 68.8% 31.2%
1962 68.2% 31.8%
1965 65.6% 34.4%
1969 68.9% 31.1%
1972 70.9% 29.1%
1976 80.1% 19.9%
1979 79.5% 20.5%
1981 75.2% 24.8%
1983 69.1% 30.9%
1986 68.1% 31.9%
1989 64.3% 35.7%
1992 62.8% 37.2%
1995 61.5% 38.5%
1998 61.9% 38.1%
2001 66.6% 33.4%
2004 65.7% 34.3%
2007 65.4% 34.6%
2010 64.6% 35.4%
Sources: 1922-1989 data from Wolff (1996), 1992-2010 data from Wolff (2012)[23]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distribution_of_wealth#cite_note-Domhoff-23


Do i have to remind you what happen in 1929.
 
One more thing, Have you ever been to a marine corp ball? Enlisted marines celebrated together, with no officers.

just out of curiosity...what the hell does this statement have to do with anything being discussed here?
 
Its not foolish when you get paid nickles and dimes. IN Europe, every student wants to go to switzerland for work. Do you know why, its because they get paid fair.Why does the walton family need enough money for the next five generations? Thats Feudalism not capitalism.


This is not a free country, to start a business you have to be an "accredited investor".
It is basically just a financial threshold. For individual investors, you need a net worth of $1 million (alone or with spouse) OR annual income of $200,000 (or $300,000 in joint income with spouse) in the two most recent years, with an expectation that you will continue to earn that this year.

From the SEC website http://www.sec.gov/answers/accre..., an Accredited Investor is defined as one of the following:

a bank, insurance company, registered investment company, business development company, or small business investment company;
an employee benefit plan, within the meaning of the Employee Retirement Income Security Act, if a bank, insurance company, or registered investment adviser makes the investment decisions, or if the plan has total assets in excess of $5 million;
a charitable organization, corporation, or partnership with assets exceeding $5 million;
a director, executive officer, or general partner of the company selling the securities;
a business in which all the equity owners are accredited investors;
a natural person who has individual net worth, or joint net worth with the person’s spouse, that exceeds $1 million at the time of the purchase.
a natural person with income exceeding $200,000 in each of the two most recent years or joint income with a spouse exceeding $300,000 for those years and a reasonable expectation of the same income level in the current year; or
a trust with assets in excess of $5 million, not formed to acquire the securities offered, whose purchases a sophisticated person makes.

Most people don't have that kind of money.

One more thing, Have you ever been to a marine corp ball? Enlisted marines celebrated together, with no officers.

What country do you live in? Here in the United States you can start a business with zero dollars.
 
No its because they do not have enough money to live, while the rich have enough to exceed. As the rich has more money the economy fails.

That statement is false at face value and is so absurd that you basically label yourself a kook to anyone with a little sense just by posting it.
 
Seriously Mach why on earth would you say
"pure capitalism is just as bad though"
Dang, the media brainwashing has been oh SO effective.
Why oh why do so many buy the lie that quote unquote

'pure capitalism' is evil?

How can so many people stubbornly hold on too this false belief?
I consider myself to be a devout Capitalist but Corporations and Governments are powerful entities which both require certain degrees of checks and balances to ensure they never become a threat to the public_
 
yes governments can easily become a danger to private citizens
but its just plain old bad business to try to threaten someone into
paying for a product or service if you can't back it up with a credible
threat of expropriation of property, loss of liberty and or violence.

Buy this new smartphone or else we will put a lien on your home, throw you in jail, if you resist send our corporate swat team to git cha!
 
just out of curiosity...what the hell does this statement have to do with anything being discussed here?

It shows the tension between officers and enlisted. The enlisted and NCO's does most of the work and get paid the least. The second lieutenant does paper work and gets paid the same as an E-4. The conflict of interest is ignore, if the enlisted got paid more than their grossly low salary, then tensions would ceased. Why should an officer only do two tours then get promoted, while the enlisted has multiple tours and still gets paid the same.
 
What country do you live in? Here in the United States you can start a business with zero dollars.

No, you need a down payment and have good credit for the average person.
 
Jag
Average people never produce exceptional results.
What we won't acknowledge is that everyone has the capacity to be extraordinary.
I mean who the heck would knowingly 'give aid and comfort to the enemy' heh heh
 
Why should an officer only do two tours then get promoted, while the enlisted has multiple tours and still gets paid the same.
hmm sounds like a value proposition there eh?
why would a CEO receive greater compensation than a janitor?
 
Why should an officer only do two tours then get promoted, while the enlisted has multiple tours and still gets paid the same.
perhaps there are far more people available who can take orders and follow,
than there are those who are capable of leading men and successfully completing the mission?
 
What country do you live in? Here in the United States you can start a business with zero dollars.

In fact when I found myself unemployed my customers threw money at me so I could continue serving them but that's a story for another thread?
 
No, you need a down payment and have good credit for the average person.

That is NOT correct. You can start many service-providing businesses with ZERO dollars. One example would be a dog-walking service. The types of services you can market are limited only by your imagination, marketing skills and drive. I work from home for myself with a business that I started years ago with less than 100 bucks.
 
That Bull he's one of those evil Rich let's make cheezburgers outta him!
 
That statement is false at face value and is so absurd that you basically label yourself a kook to anyone with a little sense just by posting it.

Wrong again, when the rich collects money at the top that is causes low monetary velocity. Which means that the money is not getting back into the economy. Its the middle class who grow the economy because they are consumers not collectors. This is called the redistributive effect, which doesn't happen when the rich collects it all. Thats why I showed the chart where in 1929 the rich collect 44% which cause the great depression.
 
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