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Is communism possible in the USA?

Is communism possible in the USA?

  • Yes, Soviet type of communism

    Votes: 9 9.1%

  • Yes, community type of communism

    Votes: 10 10.1%

  • Yes, religious type of communism

    Votes: 2 2.0%

  • Yes, other type of communism

    Votes: 12 12.1%

  • No, not possible

    Votes: 57 57.6%

  • Dunno

    Votes: 3 3.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 6 6.1%
  • Total voters
    99
DaveFagan said:
That is the form I thought was possible. One must think "commune ism" to relate because in the USA "Communism" has been bastardized to the extreme that the MSM massaged non-thinking masses think it means godless evil.
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I think the bastardization started with Marx. I guess he wanted to benefit from the moral appeal of the word "commune" and called his ideology "communism". :shrug:
 
AngryOldGuy said:
Mo of course I read it but it was so insanely obtuse it hurted my brain and I ran away screaming in pain!

so help an old guy out here if you would please WTF is 'mixin' the banks' supposed to mean???
what odd concept were you trying to convey there good buddy?
Inquiring minds wanna know !
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In 1933, to avoid another Great Depression, banks were divided into commercial banks and investment banks. It worked extremely well for almost 70 years, then some genius decided that law was old, tired, and no longer needed, so the government (both sides of the aisle) almost unanimously rescinded it, letting investment banks and commercial banks become one and the same entity again. Less than a decade later the result was the Great Recession. Friggin' idiots!!!
 
MoSurveyor said:
In 1933, to avoid another Great Depression, banks were divided into commercial banks and investment banks. It worked extremely well for almost 70 years, then some genius decided that law was old, tired, and no longer needed, so the government (both sides of the aisle) almost unanimously rescinded it, letting investment banks and commercial banks become one and the same entity again. Less than a decade later the result was the Great Recession. Friggin' idiots!!!
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It's a bit simplistic to claim that the repeal of Glass-Steagal led to the financial crisis of 2008. But I do agree it was a mistake to repeal the division between investment banking and regular banks.
 
yeah remember the supposed Savings and Loan Crisis back in the 80's early 90's?
Seems like a regular means to rip-off the taxpayer does it not?
heck if you and I were the one's backing up the truck and carting off the money
we'd think it was the sweetest deal on the planet.
Funny thing is none of this nor the housing bubble had one thing to do with the 2008 downturn in the economy.
I read a book in 1993 that forecasted the 2008 crash to the day it would occur and why it would happen.
The same book said we'd see a modest boom around 2016-2018 then 50 years of decline
so if you missed backing up the truck and karting off the cash the last time on your Marks, Get Ready, Set...
 
Artevelde said:
It's a bit simplistic to claim that the repeal of Glass-Steagal led to the financial crisis of 2008. But I do agree it was a mistake to repeal the division between investment banking and regular banks.
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It is simplistic but this isn't an economics thread. ;)
 
AngryOldGuy said:
Funny thing is none of this nor the housing bubble had one thing to do with the 2008 downturn in the economy.
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I have to disagree but that's for another thread.


AngryOldGuy said:
I read a book in 1993 that forecasted the 2008 crash to the day it would occur and why it would happen.
The same book said we'd see a modest boom around 2016-2018 then 50 years of decline
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It wasn't Prechter was it? He predicted a big crash in the early 00's but the market buoyed itself by switching to housing then commodities, which he didn't predict, so he was off a little. He also assumes we'll have a slight upturn followed by about 70 years of minor oscillations of the major cycle, which includes several boom/busts on smaller scales like we saw the 70 years before 2008. At the end of that, another drop. Personally, I think he's full of it, but it was entertaining to read. :)
 
Is communism possible ..... "No".

Is "Socialim" possible ..... Yep!

As the economy crumbles, you just watch how much money the rich folks will give up when they can't walk down the streets without being spit upon and sneered at or when they are only allowed to count their money and not enjoy it. It will not be safe for anyone who even smells of wealth to walk the streets.

The rich folks will pay a kings ransom not to be strung up on lamp posts.

It will be the Middle Class who will prevail the most damage and strike out most fiercely. When the Middle Class who once enjoyed the American Dream recognize that they have lost it, the anger will be uncontrollable. The Poor never really enjoyed the American Dream, so they will slumber off to a druggie phase.

The Rich Folks are runnin' scared right now and that is why all the anti-terror legislation is being implemented.

Think back to the 1930's in Europe and especially Germany. The Poor Folks remembered how the Rich Folks acted during the roaring 20's and how they flaunted their wealth.

But, by 1933, the Middle Class in Europe got tired of pawing their valuables at pawnshops which were mostly owned by Gypsies and Jews.

Calm
 
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Very unlikely. The political climate isn't exactly ripe for it like it was during the depression.
 
calm said:
Is communism possible ..... "No".

Is "Socialim" possible ..... Yep!

As the economy crumbles, you just watch how much money the rich folks will give up when they can't walk down the streets without being spit upon and sneered at or when they are only allowed to count their money and not enjoy it. It will not be safe for anyone who even smells of wealth to walk the streets.

The rich folks will pay a kings ransom not to be strung up on lamp posts.

It will be the Middle Class who will prevail the most damage and strike out most fiercely. When the Middle Class who once enjoyed the American Dream recognize that they have lost it, the anger will be uncontrollable. The Poor never really enjoyed the American Dream, so they will slumber off to a druggie phase.

The Rich Folks are runnin' scared right now and that is why all the anti-terror legislation is being implemented.

Think back to the 1930's in Europe and especially Germany. The Poor Folks remembered how the Rich Folks acted during the roaring 20's and how they flaunted their wealth.

But, by 1933, the Middle Class in Europe got tired of pawing their valuables at pawnshops which were mostly owned by Gypsies and Jews.

Calm
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What are you even saying
 
calm said:
Is communism possible ..... "No".

Is "Socialim" possible ..... Yep!

As the economy crumbles, you just watch how much money the rich folks will give up when they can't walk down the streets without being spit upon and sneered at or when they are only allowed to count their money and not enjoy it. It will not be safe for anyone who even smells of wealth to walk the streets.

The rich folks will pay a kings ransom not to be strung up on lamp posts.

It will be the Middle Class who will prevail the most damage and strike out most fiercely. When the Middle Class who once enjoyed the American Dream recognize that they have lost it, the anger will be uncontrollable. The Poor never really enjoyed the American Dream, so they will slumber off to a druggie phase.

The Rich Folks are runnin' scared right now and that is why all the anti-terror legislation is being implemented.

Think back to the 1930's in Europe and especially Germany. The Poor Folks remembered how the Rich Folks acted during the roaring 20's and how they flaunted their wealth.

But, by 1933, the Middle Class in Europe got tired of pawing their valuables at pawnshops which were mostly owned by Gypsies and Jews.

Calm
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What exactly stops those "rich" people from moving themselves and their money, as some have already done, to another location?
 
DVSentinel said:
What exactly stops those "rich" people from moving themselves and their money, as some have already done, to another location?
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Most rich people dont' have all their money in a savings or checking's account, they're in investments, property, capital and so on.
 
Some community communism already exists, in cooperatives, collectives, neighborhood commons, and some religious communism has existed in the past.
 
artevelde said:
So you feel Jesus was in favour of mass-murder and brutal oppression?
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No. But those are not core ideas or motivations of communism.
 
interesting question ... listening to cons for the last five years carrying on about Obama, I thought we were already communist ...

I think eventually, yes, that is if capitalism doesn't wipe out the species first ...
 
windowdressing said:
interesting question ... listening to cons for the last five years carrying on about Obama, I thought we were already communist ...

I think eventually, yes, that is if capitalism doesn't wipe out the species first ...
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How in the world can capitalism wipe out the species?
 
DVSentinel said:
Maybe not, but seems to be their standard methods for employing communism.
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Well, certainly, the Russian regime under Stalin was especially bad. Then again, the history of Russia is soaked in blood generally. The Rus and the Muscovites have never been very nice sorts of people. The same can be said for China, which has always had a brutal and violent hierarchical government. The An Shi rebellion was the bloodiest conflict in human history before WWII.

Plenty of other countries have employed socialist/communist concepts without oppression and bloodshed.

Anyway, Jesus absolutely advocated for taking care of others in the most robust way possible. He would certainly have believed that one's economic output should be thought of primarily as community property (we know that the early Christians thought so). Communism, as an economic doctrine, is more intellectually well-developed, but it nevertheless has as its core motive this notion that we should not make, carve, mold, grow, or serve for ourselves, but rather, for others.
 
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Yes, the revolution is imminent. We shall tolerate no opposition from the capitalist roaders.
 
DVSentinel said:
Thank you for the correction, my mistake.

Slavery is the subjugation of human beings to the will of others.
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So subjecting you to the will of others by penalizing you for driving above the speed limit is slavery? Subjecting you to the will of others by making you turn off your cell phone in a movie theatre is slavery? Subjecting you to the will of others by not allowing you to trespass in my home is slavery?
 
Paschendale said:
So subjecting you to the will of others by penalizing you for driving above the speed limit is slavery? Subjecting you to the will of others by making you turn off your cell phone in a movie theatre is slavery? Subjecting you to the will of others by not allowing you to trespass in my home is slavery?
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Of those, all but the speed limit one is ensuring one persons rights do not interfere with another's, not subjugation to the will of others. (I don't like speed limits, but generally obey them anyway, too expensive not to). Taking all that someone has earned or created and then redistributing it to others who have not earned it is subjugating the individual to the will of society.

Protection of rights is not subjugation.
Redistribution of wealth is.
 
Canell said:
To save the poll from influence, I will spare my opinion for the time being. :)

So, is communism possible in the USA?
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Yes, the standard form (like China) could very well exist in the US, particularly given the State Centric path we have been following along with the emergence of the new aristocracy and corporate capitalism. We already jail more of our population than anyone else, we'd just need to kick up the executions to get closer to China.
 
DVSentinel said:
Of those, all but the speed limit one is ensuring one persons rights do not interfere with another's, not subjugation to the will of others. (I don't like speed limits, but generally obey them anyway, too expensive not to). Taking all that someone has earned or created and then redistributing it to others who have not earned it is subjugating the individual to the will of society.

Protection of rights is not subjugation.
Redistribution of wealth is.
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What you and many of your ilk completely fail to understand is that we already redistribute wealth. We redistribute it from the working class to the owner class. The movements that you so vehemently oppose want to stop that from happening. I don't know why so many Americans support an aristocracy, but you and yours are working to achieve exactly that outcome.
 
Shadow Serious said:
If the Constitution is not upheld at all then anything is possible, but I think that it would be more likely that a Fascist Regime would be more probable than a Communist one.
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We already have the fascist regime going. Insistence on "patriotism" enforced through fear and aggressive use of government force, constant monitoring and recording, the corporate capitalist model, infinity war, the emergence of the new aristocracy, the rapidly accelerating gap in wealth distribution (aiding to the emergence of the new aristocracy), etc.
 
DV what I find astounding is how willingly people large & small will allow the subjugation of: "Redistribution of wealth" .
We Americans have become so inured to the idea that paying:
a capital gains tax
corporate income tax
personal income tax
FICA (twice if you are an employer) and or
self employment tax
Medicare/medicaid tax
and then
(in most states)
State Income tax
har then when you go to spend it
city sales tax?
federal gasoline taxes
cost rolled into every product and or service due to the businesses being taxed
wait
there's no way I can hope to list all of it, it is insanely out of control
then to top it off we are told the rich aren't paying enough although they are the one's paying the vast majority
and to add insult to injury the Feds (and many States) run Huge ruinous deficits that would crush any normal
privately owned business or send a private citizen into bankruptcy court

and starting in 2014 there is the wunderful Affordable Care Act with it's bevy of taxes?

subjugation yup

and the commie mofo's are clamoring for More, More More socialism?

:moon:
 
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