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Is communism possible in the USA?

Is communism possible in the USA?

  • Yes, Soviet type of communism

    Votes: 9 9.1%
  • Yes, community type of communism

    Votes: 10 10.1%
  • Yes, religious type of communism

    Votes: 2 2.0%
  • Yes, other type of communism

    Votes: 12 12.1%
  • No, not possible

    Votes: 57 57.6%
  • Dunno

    Votes: 3 3.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 6 6.1%

  • Total voters
    99
cry me a river. maybe if they had scored higher than a 32 on the entrance exam they could have gotten one of those cushy MOSs that don't have to work as hard. and, since all you've ever done is be an 11B....you have no ****ing clue how hard anyone else works. try being a 92Y supply clerk spending 8-10 hours a day loading and unloading boxes of heavy ass equipment. Try being a 92G and getting up 3 hours before everyone else and spend all days sweating your ass off in a hot ass kitchen cooking and scrubbing pots. Try being an 82C surveyor and spending all day dragging around heavy ass survey equipment, slogging through tidal swamps and scrub forrests to cut a path to build roads. Try being a 31B and spending you days guarding the scum of the earth in some 3rd world ****hole. try being a 12B combat engineer.

there are dozens of MOSs that work just as hard as the infantry guys. take your "poor pitiful me" crap and pedal it elsewhere. maybe you can find a place where there are no actual military people there who will believe your bull****

Tell that to the guys with ptsd, burned faces, missing legs and arms. I don't think you served in the military, acting the way you do.
 
yeah kid back in the day the leet dudes made it a point to serve in the military
but that was the 'Murica my Mom & Dad lived in, today military service is no longer thought of
as an honor by a large proportion of the population *cough* commie libs

"You know education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework,
and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well, and if you don’t you get stuck in Iraq.”
John "I served in Vietnam" Kerry

It was Mccain that try to lower military pensions Cough, cough. Awaling Bush and draft-dodging Cheney that chose to sent are military to war for no reason Cough, cough. A reason why most military voted for the isolationist Ron Paul in 2012.

Again you any many other conservatives and liberals show lack of empathy for our troops. But you know, when there is some one above you there usually some one below you.
 
Tell that to the guys with ptsd, burned faces, missing legs and arms. I don't think you served in the military, acting the way you do.

sorry sporto, not everyone with ptsd, burned faces, missing legs and arms is/was infantry. Before I cross-leveled into logistics, I was an MP. I have done two combat tours in Iraq, one as an MP and one as BN log officer. I have a scar on my right thigh where I was shot by a sniper and my left shoulder is held together with 5 titanium screws from nearly being blown off in an IED hit. I have two purple hearts and a bronze star. you can't tell me DICK about PTSD.

FWIW: can you guess which MOS has the highest death/injury rate from Iraq/Afghanistan? hint: it ain't the infantry.
 
It was Mccain that try to lower military pensions Cough, cough. Awaling Bush and draft-dodging Cheney that chose to sent are military to war for no reason Cough, cough. A reason why most military voted for the isolationist Ron Paul in 2012.

Again you any many other conservatives and liberals show lack of empathy for our troops. But you know, when there is some one above you there usually some one below you.

proof positive you are NOT in the millitary. even the most ignorant E1 around knows that it is AWOL and not Awaling. you are exposed and busted.
 
sorry sporto, not everyone with ptsd, burned faces, missing legs and arms is/was infantry. Before I cross-leveled into logistics, I was an MP. I have done two combat tours in Iraq, one as an MP and one as BN log officer. I have a scar on my right thigh where I was shot by a sniper and my left shoulder is held together with 5 titanium screws from nearly being blown off in an IED hit. I have two purple hearts and a bronze star. you can't tell me DICK about PTSD.

FWIW: can you guess which MOS has the highest death/injury rate from Iraq/Afghanistan? hint: it ain't the infantry.


First I never said I was in the military, second you rather prove that I am not in the military just because you don't having any else to say. My point is that their is a conflict of interest between officers and enlisted. Everything I said I will continue to back up. If you have so much military experience then why are you being so defense? Back up what you say.
 
proof positive you are NOT in the millitary. even the most ignorant E1 around knows that it is AWOL and not Awaling. you are exposed and busted.

Again I never said I was in the military. You continue to resort to mud slinging, which shows that you have nothing to say. Either talk about your experiences or move on.
 
First I never said I was in the military, second you rather prove that I am not in the military just because you don't having any else to say. My point is that their is a conflict of interest between officers and enlisted. Everything I said I will continue to back up. If you have so much military experience then why are you being so defense? Back up what you say.

dude, I have backed up what I say. and you can easily "google" the military pay scale for yourself. their is no conflict of interest between officers and enlisted. hell, one of the primary duties with which any officer is charged is "taking care of the troops".

you are not in the military. you have no experience with the military. you are arguing from a postion of ignorance. note: this is not an insult, it is merely a statement of fact.

the military is an excellent career opportunity for any young person.
 
Again I never said I was in the military. You continue to resort to mud slinging, which shows that you have nothing to say. Either talk about your experiences or move on.

I have...and all you have done is continue to cry about how unfairly the enlisted infantry is treated.
 
So which MOS got blow'd up the most in Iraq/Afghanistan?
 
So which MOS got blow'd up the most in Iraq/Afghanistan?

88M .... truck driver. followed closely by 31B military police. infantry came in 3rd.

during both of my tours in Iraq, the MPs were the guys outside the wire the most. I was in northern Iraq (Baghdad, Tikrit, etc) '04-'05 and we had 11 companies of MPs and only a couple of infantry units. I was in Basrah '09-'10 and there wasn't even an infantry guys there at all. The convoy I was on that got hit with an IED was a supply run. all of the guys who were injured were either MPs or loggies.
 
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dude, I have backed up what I say. and you can easily "google" the military pay scale for yourself. their is no conflict of interest between officers and enlisted. hell, one of the primary duties with which any officer is charged is "taking care of the troops".

you are not in the military. you have no experience with the military. you are arguing from a postion of ignorance. note: this is not an insult, it is merely a statement of fact.

the military is an excellent career opportunity for any young person.

Don't act like you know me. The fact that you think everything that happens in the coast guard, is the same in all of the other branches shows your lack of understand. You don't care, just like all the conservatives and liberals.
 
Don't act like you know me.

oh, but I do know you. typical guy sitting at home with no experience and no real knowledge, crying about something that has, and will never have, an effect on his life.


The fact that you think everything that happens in the coast guard, is the same in all of the other branches shows your lack of understand. You don't care, just like all the conservatives and liberals.

keep on crying, nancyboy. I haven't said one damn word about the coast guard.

Until you have picked up and rifle and stood a watch, kindly keep your ignorant ramblings to yourself, and leave the discussion about the military to those who actually know what they are talking about.
 
I have...and all you have done is continue to cry about how unfairly the enlisted infantry is treated.

Supporting with facts, language of marines pogs, marines enlisted only in marine corp balls, A marine officer can spend only two tours of war and then get promoted, while an enlisted can maximum five tours. Getting paid the same while infantry does more physical work. Economic difference because one can afford four year educations. In the civil war generals had a higher chance of dying, now its basically zero.
 
oh, but I do know you. typical guy sitting at home with no experience and no real knowledge, crying about something that has, and will never have, an effect on his life.




keep on crying, nancyboy. I haven't said one damn word about the coast guard.

Until you have picked up and rifle and stood a watch, kindly keep your ignorant ramblings to yourself, and leave the discussion about the military to those who actually know what they are talking about.



why didn't you say something on post 410 page 41 ?


Originally Posted by jag2594
Yes it does matter, their is a reason why in the marine corp most people are called POG. Army And Marine corp are not the same as Coast Guard.
whatever dude.

just keep living in your fantasy world where you are a victim and everyone looks down on you. I'm done trying to enlighten you

oh oh oh ohhh someone may be faking being a vet.
 
Supporting with facts, language of marines pogs, marines enlisted only in marine corp balls, A marine officer can spend only two tours of war and then get promoted, while an enlisted can maximum five tours. Getting paid the same while infantry does more physical work. Economic difference because one can afford four year educations. In the civil war generals had a higher chance of dying, now its basically zero.

so sorry dude but you are wrong again.

1. there are plenty of Marine (notice the capital "M") Corp balls that include both enlisted and officers. FWIW, the Army no longer even has "officer" only clubs.

2. promotions are not, repeat not, based on the number of combat tours. enlisted promotions are based on time in service, time in grade, PT scores, marksmanship scores, number and types of awards and decorations. Officer promotions are based on time in grade and duty performance. it doesn't matter how many combat tours you do, until you have completed the minimum time in grade...you cannot be promoted

3. I have given you multiple examples of how your "wah, wah the infantry does more physical work" is simply and plainly bull****.

4. ever heard of the GI bill? tuition assistance? "green to gold" program? My daughter got her college degree paid for by serving as an enlisted soldier in the army national guard. She is now an officer in the Naval Reserves.

5. In the civil war and almost all other wars before and after...Generals had a lower chance of dying than any other rank.

once again...you post from ignorance
 
why didn't you say something on post 410 page 41 ?

because it was a stupid and irrelevent post that made no sense and had no point?


Originally Posted by jag2594
Yes it does matter, their is a reason why in the marine corp most people are called POG. Army And Marine corp are not the same as Coast Guard.
whatever dude.

and again...WTF does the Coast Guard have to do with anything?
 
so sorry dude but you are wrong again.

1. there are plenty of Marine (notice the capital "M") Corp balls that include both enlisted and officers. FWIW, the Army no longer even has "officer" only clubs.

2. promotions are not, repeat not, based on the number of combat tours. enlisted promotions are based on time in service, time in grade, PT scores, marksmanship scores, number and types of awards and decorations. Officer promotions are based on time in grade and duty performance. it doesn't matter how many combat tours you do, until you have completed the minimum time in grade...you cannot be promoted

3. I have given you multiple examples of how your "wah, wah the infantry does more physical work" is simply and plainly bull****.

4. ever heard of the GI bill? tuition assistance? "green to gold" program? My daughter got her college degree paid for by serving as an enlisted soldier in the army national guard. She is now an officer in the Naval Reserves.

5. In the civil war and almost all other wars before and after...Generals had a lower chance of dying than any other rank.

once again...you post from ignorance


Option #4-Continue with past tradition of separate events for each entity.

http://ncnga.org/wp-content/uploads...d-Ball-Committee-Minutes-20-December-2011.pdf

They are separated, trust me. They don't like each other most of the time.
 
so sorry dude but you are wrong again.

1. there are plenty of Marine (notice the capital "M") Corp balls that include both enlisted and officers. FWIW, the Army no longer even has "officer" only clubs.

2. promotions are not, repeat not, based on the number of combat tours. enlisted promotions are based on time in service, time in grade, PT scores, marksmanship scores, number and types of awards and decorations. Officer promotions are based on time in grade and duty performance. it doesn't matter how many combat tours you do, until you have completed the minimum time in grade...you cannot be promoted

3. I have given you multiple examples of how your "wah, wah the infantry does more physical work" is simply and plainly bull****.

4. ever heard of the GI bill? tuition assistance? "green to gold" program? My daughter got her college degree paid for by serving as an enlisted soldier in the army national guard. She is now an officer in the Naval Reserves.

5. In the civil war and almost all other wars before and after...Generals had a lower chance of dying than any other rank.

once again...you post from ignorance


Option #4-Continue with past tradition of separate events for each entity.

http://ncnga.org/wp-content/uploads...d-Ball-Committee-Minutes-20-December-2011.pdf

They are separated, trust me. They don't like each other most of the time. All the ones I have been to separated.

After two tours an officer is usually promoted captain, after that they do more administered work.

An infantry enlisted does more work as the ranks of officers gets higher. They have a stressful job, than others mos. It shouldn't matter that an infantry doesn't see combat. They still have field weeks, 25 mile humps ( not sure how often) ,sleeping on the ground, feel five years older and other characteristics. Again Marine Infantry not the coast guard.

Money wise they get out and cant find a jobs. They usually have problems go homeless for a while. Living on food stamps and other services., for a few years eventually with help getting back on their feet. Also if it was for the Left and thousands of vets you and your daughter would get nothing for your service. Every Heard of the bonus army. Every heard of General Smedley Butler, the man who told the truth about his service. He knew that he was being abuse as an officer.

I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.

But generals in the civil war had a higher chances that the early 1900s. ulysses s grant was always dirty while President.

Again you fail to see the other side.
 
Your troll-fu is weak padawan
 
First page. Communism in the U.S.? LOLNO

Last page. The ****ing Coast Guard? What? Hey, let's talk about global warming and the NSA while we're at it!
 
I'm up for that,
AGW is a hoax and isn't it the job of the NSA to spy on everyone?
 
After two tours an officer is usually promoted captain, after that they do more administered work.

.

hey sparky, a 1LT (O2) is automatically promoted to Captain (O3) after two years UNLESS he is a major league ****-up or he fails to complete a 4 year degree. guess how long it takes to do 2 tours?

An E2 is promoted to E3 after 4 MONTHS

again and again. the number of combat tours plays virtually no part in getting promoted, regardless of what they told you on "call of duty"
 
Because some people actually believe that someone else having a bigger piece than them is unfair, like you're taking it from them.

It's one thing if the economy or wealth was zero-sum. It'd actually be like that. The problem is that it's not.

You present a very typical argument against communism. But it's reflective of a misunderstanding of communist class theory. See, Marx was big on equality and all that, but it wasn't his most important contribution. No, Marx (and Proudhon and Cohen) should be credited for explaining that private property isn't a natural occurrence, and that it facilitates generation of profit.

If you go back to, say, 1 million BC, you would have found that everything was free - you just needed to access it. But then rulers privatized it, and bourgeois revolutions later seized it for capitalists; that's where we are today. Owners of property have denied universal access to a basic standard of living (which could exist in a modern context through communitarian social models). It's known that the natural world was not always something to be paid for. Its access was open to all the world's cooperative mini-societies, provided they were of appropriate human capacity. And this sort of universality of property can, and should be applied to a modern context. Not only because it's just, but also due to the exploitative state of modern property systems.

Unfortunately, capitalism has these troubling things called profits and non-productive classes. To allow their existence (in a competitive consumer market), producers need to take cuts in their income, the difference between their productive value and their wages comprising the share of wealth allocated to the aforementioned. This, at its core, is exploitation.
 
You present a very typical argument against communism. But it's reflective of a misunderstanding of communist class theory. See, Marx was big on equality and all that, but it wasn't his most important contribution. No, Marx (and Proudhon and Cohen) should be credited for explaining that private property isn't a natural occurrence, and that it facilitates generation of profit.

If you go back to, say, 1 million BC, you would have found that everything was free - you just needed to access it. But then rulers privatized it, and bourgeois revolutions later seized it for capitalists; that's where we are today. Owners of property have denied universal access to a basic standard of living (which could exist in a modern context through communitarian social models). It's known that the natural world was not always something to be paid for. Its access was open to all the world's cooperative mini-societies, provided they were of appropriate human capacity. And this sort of universality of property can, and should be applied to a modern context. Not only because it's just, but also due to the exploitative state of modern property systems.

Unfortunately, capitalism has these troubling things called profits and non-productive classes. To allow their existence (in a competitive consumer market), producers need to take cuts in their income, the difference between their productive value and their wages comprising the share of wealth allocated to the aforementioned. This, at its core, is exploitation.

So you're saying that communism essentially cannot work because man, and society, evolves. I think I can agree with this.
 
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