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Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

Which is more crucial

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ernst barkmann said:
again you fail, I was speaking of private schools as business...not public!
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Then you should be more clear in your wording.


But you're wrong about them being "good places on learning". Most parents have no clue what it takes to make a good academic curriculum. I'm all for parental input but blindly catering to parents whims is not such a good idea. I guess when the schools lose accreditation they'll know it was the wrong choice. :shrug:

Kansas schools learned that the hard way when they stopped teaching evolution.
 
ernst barkmann said:
tell me if the law said to teach the ideology of the KKK, would you approve if it was law?

government is no moral authority at all.

as I stated to you before government is made up of people who are elected and some appointed.

each of these people has a set of moral values they believe in, how does their election to office or those being appointed, get them carte blanche. to teach their ideology just because they are in office.

government has no moral authority, be it on sex, smoking, drinking, gambling, eating.

if government had such authority it could dictate everyone of those things in our personal life's...........and its never be given that power, in constitutions.
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We teach that everyone has the right to express themselves, which may include a case history on the KKK's efforts to hold a march/parade in a small town in Illinois. Does that bother me? Not at all. Why would it bother you???

So we shouldn't teach students to be lawful? :lamo


Wow! What a revelation!!! Are you SURE?!?!?


All they're teaching is the law. What's your problem with that?


All they're teaching is the law. What's your problem with that?


Teaching facts is far from "dictating". Maybe that's your problem.
 
Dooble said:
Which is more crucial?
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I think that we are dealing with the same thing in both cases. A set of beliefs is factually a religion. This is true for scientists and priests.
 
joG said:
I think that we are dealing with the same thing in both cases. A set of beliefs is factually a religion. This is true for scientists and priests.
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The Republican "religion"? The Religion of Gravity?


Sorry, your claim seems more like a half-truth.
 
MoSurveyor said:
The Republican "religion"? The Religion of Gravity?


Sorry, your claim seems more like a half-truth.
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I have to admit to being confused about which religion a scientist might belong to ...

does "belief" in relativity make you a heretic according to older branches of physics?

was Alfred Wegener a prophet or the leader of a heretical sect?
 
MoSurveyor said:
We teach that everyone has the right to express themselves, which may include a case history on the KKK's efforts to hold a march/parade in a small town in Illinois. Does that bother me? Not at all. Why would it bother you???

So we shouldn't teach students to be lawful? :lamo


Wow! What a revelation!!! Are you SURE?!?!?


All they're teaching is the law. What's your problem with that?


All they're teaching is the law. What's your problem with that?


Teaching facts is far from "dictating". Maybe that's your problem.
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sorry no they are not its not.

again............... government is NOT moral authority to teach anyone.moral values, less you think some people are superior to others.
 
MoSurveyor said:
But the same is true of ALL theories in science. When students learn about science they're taught the difference between theory and fact. How many times should the lesson be repeated - 10, 100, 1000??? Should we run through all the possibilities over and over again for each theory? Where do you draw the line, here?
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Do we have any scientists disputing the theory of relativity? No we don't.


The perversion of science by politics and religion. It's bad enough some idiots don't want their precious learning about evolution, which is a religious preference. Now we're going to let politics dictate science, too? If that's true we may as well throw it all away and startover with the discovery of fire. :(
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Lol! What? I don't know of anyone except for very few who don't want their children to learn about the theory of evolution. Some of them would like the religious theory included too, that doesn't mean they're against learning about other theories as well. Why does it have to be one way or the other with some of you people?
 
MoSurveyor said:
We often have summer weather like that here, too, but it's more like a steam room. Saunas are dry heat - like Phoenix. ;)
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Okay, steam room then. :lol:
 
ChrisL said:
Do we have any scientists disputing the theory of relativity? No we don't.




Lol! What? I don't know of anyone except for very few who don't want their children to learn about the theory of evolution. Some of them would like the religious theory included too, that doesn't mean they're against learning about other theories as well. Why does it have to be one way or the other with some of you people?
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Because there is no religious "theory" of evolution, there are beliefs and matters of faith but there is no religious theory that can be taught in a science classroom when the discussion is the evolution of species
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I have absolutely no idea how or why you defined same sex marriage as "the mandate to evolve", but we'll go with this definition for this discussion.
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No, you'll bring that discussion up with Ikari, since he's the one who admonished us "to evolve or die" during a debate about SSM. I'm just here to explore the meaning behind his cryptic warning.
 
Dooble said:
No, you'll bring that discussion up with Ikari, since he's the one who admonished us "to evolve or die" during a debate about SSM. I'm just here to explore the meaning behind his cryptic warning.
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I get the feeling you took it out of context. He probably meant you're a dinosaur who still wants to use his religion as an excuse to harass homosexuals, and he wanted you to evolve past this catastrophically cave-man like way of thinking.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I get the feeling you took it out of context. He probably meant you're a dinosaur who still wants to use his religion as an excuse to harass homosexuals, and he wanted you to evolve past this catastrophically cave-man like way of thinking.
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That's the liberal way of looking at it, but then, I'm not a creepy leftist like many others here. ;)

No, Ikari was pretty much being an obnoxious Democrat. That happens a lot on this forum, but still, the 'die' part of evolve or die still prompted me to explore that stupid comment.
 
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Dooble said:
That's the liberal way of looking at it, but then, I'm not a creepy leftist like many others here. ;)

No, Ikari was pretty much being an obnoxious Democrat. That happens a lot on this forum, but still, the 'die' part of evolve or die still prompted me to explore that stupid comment.
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I don't think he's a democrat. But there is no mandate to evolve. However, you will lose in the long run. You're already largely out numbered.
 
Dooble said:
No, you'll bring that discussion up with Ikari, since he's the one who admonished us "to evolve or die" during a debate about SSM. I'm just here to explore the meaning behind his cryptic warning.
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There's nothing cryptic about it. I already told you, everything evolves. That which does not is left behind. Long dead are the notions that wearing mixed fabric is bad. Neigh extinct is the racists ideals against interracial marriage, and dying is the attitude against homosexuals. Everything is already plain to see. You can be as upset as you want, but it won't stop the march of progress.
 
Dooble said:
No, you'll bring that discussion up with Ikari, since he's the one who admonished us "to evolve or die" during a debate about SSM. I'm just here to explore the meaning behind his cryptic warning.
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There's nothing cryptic about it. I already told you, everything evolves. That which does not is left behind. Long dead are the notions that wearing mixed fabric is bad. Neigh extinct is the racists ideals against interracial marriage, and dying is the attitude against homosexuals. Everything is already plain to see. You can be as upset as you want, but it won't stop the march of progress.
 
Ikari said:
You can be as upset as you want, but it won't stop the march of progress.
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SSM is not progress. There's nothing advanced about retarding the perpetuation of humankind while spreading sexually transmitted diseases in the process. That's called the march of REGRESSION, not the march of PROGRESSION. People like this are called REGRESSIVES, not PROGRESSIVES.

So when I hear a REGRESSIVE call for society to "evolve (embrace homosexuality) or die", naturally, I want to call him out and and have him prove that this belief isn't 100% idiocy.
 
Dooble said:
SSM is not progress. There's nothing advanced about retarding the perpetuation of humankind while spreading sexually transmitted diseases in the process. That's called the march of REGRESSION, not the march of PROGRESSION. People like this are called REGRESSIVES, not PROGRESSIVES.

So when I hear a REGRESSIVE call for society to "evolve (embrace homosexuality) or die", naturally, I want to call him out and and have him prove that this belief isn't 100% idiocy.
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You only call it regressive because you don't like it. And this has nothing nothing to do with my point. This notion that government force can be used against the free exercise of right to contract for same sex couples is dying and will be dead in the not so distant future.

May as well get upset over the fact that the sun rises in the morning.
 
Ikari said:
You only call it regressive because you don't like it.
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I call it regressive because it IS regressive.

Ikari said:
And this has nothing nothing to do with my point. This notion that government force can be used against the free exercise of right to contract for same sex couples is dying and will be dead in the not so distant future.
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But it's wrong. It's just as wrong as pedophiles calling for the right to get some alone time with minors. No, what's wrong is wrong, and SSM is wrong. I just need to fulfill my due diligence before the real justice kicks in.

Ikari said:
May as well get upset over the fact that the sun rises in the morning.
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Or may as well work on things I can control, like fighting regressive degenerates who are screwing with time honored traditions.
 
Dooble said:
I call it regressive because it IS regressive.

But it's wrong. It's just as wrong as pedophiles calling for the right to get some alone time with minors. No, what's wrong is wrong, and SSM is wrong. I just need to fulfill my due diligence before the real justice kicks in.

Or may as well work to stop things I can control, like regressive degenerates screwing with time honored traditions.
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Did you really compare two loving human beings making a contract with each other as free citizens the same level of wrong as child rape? Jesus, your hate runs deep. It's definitely not the bible you're pulling this level of filth out of.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Did you really compare two loving human beings making a contract with each other as free citizens the same level of wrong as child rape? Jesus, your hate runs deep. It's definitely not the bible you're pulling this level of filth out of.
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Doobie is showing his age, a majority of Americans born after 1965 favour gay marriage, two thirds of those born after 1981 support same sex marriage.
Pew-Forum: Gay Marriage Attitudes
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Did you really compare two loving human beings making a contract with each other as free citizens the same level of wrong as child rape?
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I compare two human beings with behavioral problems screwing with traditions as wrong. Just like child rape is wrong.

RabidAlpaca said:
Jesus, your hate runs deep. It's definitely not the bible you're pulling this level of filth out of.
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My hate for wrong behaviors runs deep, and the Bible is clear on what ultimately happens to unrepentant sinners.
 
Dooble said:
I compare two human beings with behavioral problems screwing with traditions as wrong. Just like child rape is wrong.

My hate for wrong behaviors runs deep, and the Bible is clear on what ultimately happens to unrepentant sinners.
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AH I see you use the bible as your moral code. Well that explains your hate.

Have you ever heard of the concept of sexual consent? It involves adults only children cant have consent. The virgin Mary did not give consent.
That would mean that your god is a rapist. Mary was a virgin, I wonder how old she was when she gave birth? According to most theologians its between 13 and 16.
 
Dooble said:
I compare two human beings with behavioral problems screwing with traditions as wrong. Just like child rape is wrong.

My hate for wrong behaviors runs deep, and the Bible is clear on what ultimately happens to unrepentant sinners.
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Behavioral problems? The kind of problems that don't effect you in any way shape or form?

Christians did not invent marriage, so you do not own the patent on it. You can not try to have the government enforce your definition of something you had nothing to do with the creation of.

The bible didn't tell you to try to lobby the government to harass people you don't like. You're pissing and moaning about something that doesn't involve or effect you. It's crying just to cry.
 
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