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Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

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There's nothing wrong with vouchers, but every child can't have a voucher. What is it exactly that they teach in school that you are so afraid of your child learning about. Surely you don't think the school's influence is stronger than your own. Also, I don't know why you have a problem with neutrality on issues.

tell me ....can schools, teach Jesus, was insane Jew, who drank wine and ran about telling people he was the son of god......no

just like they cannot teach to children homosexuality is bad, they have no authority to teach it is good.

why have states which have made homosexual marriage legal introduced homosexual relationships as normal in their schools, even though their are people paying taxes to those schools who object to it being taught.

if schools are going to teach things which are an affront to ones faith, then let them opt out of that teaching, or give them their tax money to shop for a school.

problem is the left does not want parents getting their tax money, they want children in public schools being taught their ideas, which is why they oppose vouchers.
 
Taxes are pooled together and then doled out. I don't think they could separate the portion of your tax that goes to public school funding, also childless people pay taxes too. Everyone does. Education is of benefit to the entire community, so if you care about your community you won't mind some of your tax money going towards public education.

As I said earlier though, I think schools and teachers should remain neutral on controversial matters, aside from teaching the facts.

Vouchers are a good idea on many levels. They should not be 100% of the per pupil cost of a year of public school; they can be issued at 80% thus "saving" money for all of the taxpayers. Vouchers invite private competition, yet cost the taxpayer's no more money. For each child that "opts out", and uses a voucher, that leaves the "extra" 20% for improving the public school that they would have attended or allowing it to be used for other public goods/services.
 
and my point is, if the public school is going to teach things, which are against a persons religious beliefs, either stop it by letting the child op out, and give the parents their tax money.
Because you pay taxes just like everybody else.
what is wrong if vouchers?.........not only does it help the poor, but it introduces competition into education, becuase the parents have the ability to shop for the best school for their child, and if the school does not do its job, and measure up, ...it does not get paid.
why not refund peoples taxes that have no children first?
it forces the school to be a good places on learning or its goes out of business.
No, it elevates you. You don't have to pay taxes because you have taken your kids out of schools, meanwhile you are saying screw childless adults, they don't get any money back.
 
tell me ....can schools, teach Jesus, was insane Jew, who drank wine and ran about telling people he was the son of god......no

just like they cannot teach to children homosexuality is bad, they have no authority to teach it is good.

Lol! I know, that's why I said they should be NEUTRAL on such things, if they teach them at all. I see no reason for public school to teach about religion or homosexuality at all. Neither of those are academic subjects.

why have states which have made homosexual marriage legal introduced homosexual relationships as normal in their schools, even though their are people paying taxes to those schools who object to it being taught.

if schools are going to teach things which are an affront to ones faith, then let them opt out of that teaching, or give them their tax money to shop for a school.

Have they? I live in MA, and as far as I know they don't teach about being a homosexual. :shrug:

problem is the left does not want parents getting their tax money, they want children in public schools being taught their ideas, which is why they oppose vouchers.

Well I don't know anything about that. I know how I feel, and that is that such subjects are not appropriate for school, except for maybe a casual mention during health class. I see no need to delve into sexuality at school with minors, aside from safe sexual practices and things related to that.
 
tell me ....can schools, teach Jesus, was insane Jew, who drank wine and ran about telling people he was the son of god......no

just like they cannot teach to children homosexuality is bad, they have no authority to teach it is good.

why have states which have made homosexual marriage legal introduced homosexual relationships as normal in their schools, even though their are people paying taxes to those schools who object to it being taught.

if schools are going to teach things which are an affront to ones faith, then let them opt out of that teaching, or give them their tax money to shop for a school.

problem is the left does not want parents getting their tax money, they want children in public schools being taught their ideas, which is why they oppose vouchers.

They aren't teaching that homosexuality is good.
 
Vouchers are a good idea on many levels. They should not be 100% of the per pupil cost of a year of public school; they can be issued at 80% thus "saving" money for all of the taxpayers. Vouchers invite private competition, yet cost the taxpayer's no more money. For each child that "opts out", and uses a voucher, that leaves the "extra" 20% for improving the public school that they would have attended or allowing it to be used for other public goods/services.

I don't know enough about the voucher program to comment much about it. I always was under the impression that it was only for poor people. I don't know what portion of my tax money goes towards schools either.
 
I don't know enough about the voucher program to comment much about it. I always was under the impression that it was only for poor people. I don't know what portion of my tax money goes towards schools either.

Vouchers need not be based on income, or even the quality of the local public school.

In Texas property taxes (and some state lottery funds) are used to fund public school education.

Property taxes in Texas
 
Vouchers need not be based on income, or even the quality of the local public school.

In Texas property taxes (and some state lottery funds) are used to fund public school education.

Property taxes in Texas

Do you guys have to pay state income tax? We pay a lot of income tax, here in MA. I think we pay like 5.3% flat income tax on all income.
 
Lol! I know, that's why I said they should be NEUTRAL on such things, if they teach them at all. I see no reason for public school to teach about religion or homosexuality at all. Neither of those are academic subjects.



Have they? I live in MA, and as far as I know they don't teach about being a homosexual. :shrug:



Well I don't know anything about that. I know how I feel, and that is that such subjects are not appropriate for school, except for maybe a casual mention during health class. I see no need to delve into sexuality at school with minors, aside from safe sexual practices and things related to that.

you came into the thread a little late, further back i posted a link of what MASS. has done since homosexual marriage was made legal , in its schools.
 
Do you guys have to pay state income tax? We pay a lot of income tax, here in MA. I think we pay like 5.3% flat income tax on all income.

Texas has no state income tax at all. We use mainly property and sales taxes to fund our state/local gov't.
 
you came into the thread a little late, further back i posted a link of what MASS. has done since homosexual marriage was made legal , in its schools.

Well that's not the case in my area. My son goes to school, and he hasn't learned that homosexuality is a good or a bad thing, and guess what he's a heterosexual too! :shock: What are you afraid of? Do you think the schools are going to turn your son gay or something? :lol:

And OMG! God forbid your child does happen to accept homosexuals as being human beings! That would be earth shattering huh?
 
Well that's not the case in my area. My son goes to school, and he hasn't learned that homosexuality is a good or a bad thing, and guess what he's a heterosexual too! :shock: What are you afraid of? Do you think the schools are going to turn your son gay or something? :lol:

And OMG! God forbid your child does happen to accept homosexuals as being human beings! That would be earth shattering huh?


tell me, why should someone be taught something, which is a contradiction to what they have been taught elsewhere?
 
Texas has no state income tax at all. We use mainly property and sales taxes to fund our state/local gov't.

That's sweet! I wouldn't mind living in a state with no state income tax. I get screwed over every year and end up having to pay in. One year, I forgot to renew my health insurance and had to pay an extra $600 in taxes to Massachusetts, even though I didn't even visit an emergency room.
 
tell me, why should someone be taught something, which is a contradiction, to what they have been taught elsewhere?

What do you think they're going to be taught about? Tell me what you're afraid of.
 
What do you think they're going to be taught about? Tell me what you're afraid of.

question: do you have moral authority to teach to any child something that their parents find offensive...no ..you do not.

homosexuals are not bad people, that is not the issue, the issue is the homosexual relationships to some people are wrong, ..now ....why do you feel you have the power to over rule, what they think / believe is wrong.
 
That's sweet! I wouldn't mind living in a state with no state income tax. I get screwed over every year and end up having to pay in. One year, I forgot to renew my health insurance and had to pay an extra $600 in taxes to Massachusetts, even though I didn't even visit an emergency room.

That is a big draw for retirees in Texas. We have many yankees in Texas, that come for the winter (snow birds), and quite a few damned yankees, that like it so much that they just stay here. ;)

States Without an Income Tax - Seven States Have No Income Tax
 
question: do you have moral authority to teach to any child something that their parents find offensive...no ..you do not.

homosexuals are not bad people, that is not the issue, the issue is the homosexual relationships to some people are wrong, ..now ....why do you feel you have the power to over rule, what they think / believe is wrong.

Well I'm not a teacher, so I don't know why you keep saying "you" to me. Anyway, you are not going to be able to shield your child from the fact that there are homosexuals and homosexual relationships. That is just stupid. If you want to teach them it's wrong, that's your prerogative, send your child to private religious school of your choice.

MOST people don't have a problem with it as long as the educator maintains neutrality on the subject. You do understand that neutrality means not expressing an opinion either way, don't you?
 
Well I'm not a teacher, so I don't know why you keep saying "you" to me. Anyway, you are not going to be able to shield your child from the fact that there are homosexuals and homosexual relationships. That is just stupid. If you want to teach them it's wrong, that's your prerogative, send your child to private religious school of your choice.

MOST people don't have a problem with it as long as the educator maintains neutrality on the subject. You do understand that neutrality means not expressing an opinion either way, don't you?

what is neutrality ?

i am about freedom, ......not having people force to do things against their will....if they have done nothing wrong.

How same-sex "marriage" affects Massachusetts
 
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