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Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

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MoSurveyor said:
Quit lying. Not everyone agreed with Madison's interpretation, making a lot of his stuff null and void.

One signatory can't decide what is meant in a contract after-the-fact, the law doesn't work that way.
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lying....?

who wrote more on the constitution then Madison?

did madison lay the framework of the constitution or did someone else.?

who lived longer then any other founders, and wrote of it up to his death?

you throwing out the word liar......shows you have nothing.
 
MoSurveyor said:
And one of those powers is spending money for the general welfare. You are misinterpreting again.
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which is the 18 powers of congress, becuase those are enumerated powers.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

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duty
 
ernst barkmann said:
no i want my school taxes, and you can pay them if you wish to send your child to public school.

vouchers for those who wish to send their children to a school of there choice.
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If you get that, then I don't have to pay for your schools at all (where do you think you're going to get funding for those vouchers?).
 
ernst barkmann said:
which is the 18 powers of congress, becuase those are enumerated powers.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

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It would fall under general Welfare
 
Ikari said:
If you get that, then I don't have to pay for your schools at all (where do you think you're going to get funding for those vouchers?).
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if you had a kid, and your paying taxes, would be be able to go to public schools ...yes.

if i have a kid, and i am paying those same taxes, should i not be able to have them to send him to a school of my choice, since public schools want to force teach things, are against my religion...yes

would this be also not good for the poor, since it empowers them , to look for a better schools for there child.
 
ernst barkmann said:
if you had a kid, and your paying taxes, would be be able to go to public schools ...yes.

if i have a kid, and i am paying those same taxes, should i not be able to have them to send him to a school of my choice, since public schools want to force teach things, are against my religion...yes

would this be also not good for the poor, since it empowers them , to look for a better schools for there child.
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If I don't have a kid, why should I pay for your schooling?
 
Ikari said:
If I don't have a kid, why should I pay for your schooling?
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well that is a good point.

my mother pays and she is now 79...long way from sending kids to school.

it is the state which wants your money, to use as they see fit, if you not getting anything out of it,... its like taxation without representation.

i want americans to keep most of their money, and government use only what is needed, and spend that money wisely
 
Ikari said:
If I don't have a kid, why should I pay for your schooling?
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Because its better for all of us if he's educated. It really is. So, you get something out of it, a more educated populace.

And Ernest, it's not any thing taxation without representation. We all representatives who debated this and any one paying any kind of attention knows what they are getting.
 
ernst barkmann said:
well that is a good point.

my mother pays and she is now 79...long way from sending kids to school.

it is the state which wants your money, to use as they see fit, if you not getting anything out of it,... its like taxation without representation.

i want americans to keep most of their money, and government use only what is needed, and spend that money wisely
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So you would take more money from your mother, because vouchers take you out of the tax pool thus increasing the burden on people Luke your mother.

Just pay your taxes.

We all want the administrations to take less money, and don't act like you aren't represented, vote for schoolboard presidents and school officials.

Schools teach evolution many people think that is against their religion. Your religion doesn't get to dictate education.
 
CLAX1911 said:
So you would take more money from your mother, because vouchers take you out of the tax pool thus increasing the burden on people Luke your mother.

Just pay your taxes.

We all want the administrations to take less money, and don't act like you aren't represented, vote for schoolboard presidents and school officials.

Schools teach evolution many people think that is against their religion. Your religion doesn't get to dictate education.
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no people who pay taxes into the public schools would receive in return a voucher to take their child to a school of there choice, therefore, making schools compete.

never said my religion gets to dictates anything, i just said you cant belittle my faith with your teachings, and make me pay for it.
 
ernst barkmann said:
no people who pay taxes into the public schools would receive in return a voucher to take their child to a school of there choice, therefore, making schools compete.

never said my religion gets to dictates anything, i just said you cant belittle my faith with your teachings, and make me pay for it.
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Everybody pays no matter what. That is what a tax is. If you get a voucher, childless adults should get one.
 
ernst barkmann said:
an adult, with no child should get a school voucher?.

do you know any grade schools of high schools which take adults?
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No, i can't tell if you are bring obtuse. Everybody pays taxes. That includes people without children. Your statement is that if you put your kid in alternative schools you shouldn't have to pay taxes and get a voucher. because you are not using the school.

People without kids shouldn't have to pay taxes on the same basis.
 
ernst barkmann said:
lying....?

who wrote more on the constitution then Madison?

did madison lay the framework of the constitution or did someone else.?

who lived longer then any other founders, and wrote of it up to his death?

you throwing out the word liar......shows you have nothing.
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When you constantly claim Madison is the only word on what the constitution is supposed to mean, yes, it's lying.
 
ernst barkmann said:
which is the 18 powers of congress, becuase those are enumerated powers.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

power

duty
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Sorry, that's not the way Hamilton saw it. Hamilton clearly wrote that Congress had the power to spend money on the common defense and general welfare.

Like I said, quit lying by claiming Madison is the only word on the Constitution.
 
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Ikari said:
I should get a refund.
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No, you shouldn't. Leftists should be paying AT LEAST 90% of all their increase, and getting positively orgasmic over that.
 
Dooble said:
No, you shouldn't. Leftists should be paying AT LEAST 90% of all their increase, and getting positively orgasmic over that.
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By Ernst's argument, I shouldn't have to pay for any of your stuff. Buy your own lunch.
 
Ikari said:
By Ernst's argument, I shouldn't have to pay for any of your stuff. Buy your own lunch.
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Ignore him. Don't let anyone get in the way of your love for taxes.
 
Dooble said:
Ignore him. Don't let anyone get in the way of your love for taxes.
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Why? If you commies are going to make me pay for your lunch, then I should get something in return. Man you socialists are interesting folk.
 
ernst barkmann said:
do you know any grade schools of high schools which take adults?
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What is a grade shcool of high school, anyway?

If you are needing suggestions for improving your education beyond a grade school level, though, I'm sure there are some agencies at your disposal that would be most accommodating.
 
Ikari said:
Why? If you commies are going to make me pay for your lunch, then I should get something in return. Man you socialists are interesting folk.
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I'm over here, Ikari. Stop beating yourself up.
 
Dooble said:
I'm over here, Ikari. Stop beating yourself up.
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You're the one trying to get me to pay for your lunch so unapologetically. Y'all claim "it doesn't take a village", but you sure as heck are OK with stealing from the village to fund your own needs and kids. Socialists.
 
ernst barkmann said:
an adult, with no child should get a school voucher?.

do you know any grade schools of high schools which take adults?
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Taxes are pooled together and then doled out. I don't think they could separate the portion of your tax that goes to public school funding, also childless people pay taxes too. Everyone does. Education is of benefit to the entire community, so if you care about your community you won't mind some of your tax money going towards public education.

As I said earlier though, I think schools and teachers should remain neutral on controversial matters, aside from teaching the facts.
 
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