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Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

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As far as you know, yes.
Got proof?

That's not proof. That is hearsay and wishful thinking.
Wait! I've seen this episode! This is where Ikari talks himself into a corner and throws his sewing basket at the construction workers. I love this episode!
 
And my comment was addressing HIS comment. You cannot address it without addressing the CONTEXT UNDER WHICH I WAS RESPONDING.

Holy ****ing hell....it isn't difficult.

It's only difficult because you are making it difficult, you asked a question, not really in any context, I answered. You ranted and raved and then i posted the exact same answer in very large print. Then you caught on.

If it is difficult stop making it so difficult.
 
This thread, mandating evolution? That statement is so full of hypocrisy it isn't funny. Evolution isn't mandated. High tide isn't mandated.it's a force of nature.
What are you talking about? Liberals mandate evolution every day.
 
Got proof?

Heheh, as much as you do about your god.

Wait! I've seen this episode! This is where Ikari talks himself into a corner and throws his sewing basket at the construction workers. I love this episode!

....so you said you got proof and you got no proof. That's what I thought.
 
It's only difficult because you are making it difficult, you asked a question, not really in any context, I answered. You ranted and raved and then i posted the exact same answer in very large print. Then you caught on.

If it is difficult stop making it so difficult.

I wasn't asking the question to you! If you said you had PROOF of gods, then yes I would have asked you for this proof. But you said proof of gods cannot exist. It's a true statement, but I wasn't addressing that end. I was addressing an individual who claimed to have proof, and I am looking for that proof!

For the love of Christ, this should not have to be explained. Jesus, Allah, Buddha I love you all.
 
question:..... why does the left say that states cannot make laws against sodomy, homosexuality...in other words ....sex?
but then say states can make laws concerning sex?...when it comes to promoting ideas in that arena of there choice.
states have no authority in the area of sex.
Wait a minute, I thought we were talking about education, are teachers forcing children to have sex with each other or just educating them about it?
 
Heheh, as much as you do about your god.
I have the tools needed to discover God. Where are the tools needed to prove your omniscience?

....so you said you got proof and you got no proof. That's what I thought.
The proof is in your own efforts. Don't be lazy, Ikari. Pick up a set of scriptures and open communication with your maker. I promise, you'll feel better.
 
Time to go. Evenin' everybody!
 
I have the tools needed to discover God. Where are the tools needed to prove your omniscience?

Nope, you only have the opinions to assert existence, you have nothing to back it up.

The proof is in your own efforts. Don't be lazy, Ikari. Pick up a set of scriptures and open communication with your maker. I promise, you'll feel better.

That's not proof. You said proof, and proof is measurable. Stop deflecting against your lazy rhetoric. Proof can be proven. Scripture is subjective, feelings are subjective. Math, numbers, equations are objective. Give me the objective because only through those can you demonstrate PROOF. What are the measurements?
 
I wasn't asking the question to you! If you said you had PROOF of gods, then yes I would have asked you for this proof. But you said proof of gods cannot exist. It's a true statement, but I wasn't addressing that end. I was addressing an individual who claimed to have proof, and I am looking for that proof!

For the love of Christ, this should not have to be explained. Jesus, Allah, Buddha I love you all.

He doesn't have proof. That was the context, anything that fell out of his mouth would be a complete lie, or an interpretation.

Um, you posted this on an open forum so you asked a question publicly, you want to address a single member sind him a pm. The way it works us any body can answer. I simply stepped in before doodle made a fool of himself. Doesn't matter what hesaid further on the subject it would be wrong. You are a nihilist anyway what God would proof of God do you?
 
He doesn't have proof. That was the context, anything that fell out of his mouth would be a complete lie, or an interpretation.

Um, you posted this on an open forum so you asked a question publicly, you want to address a single member sind him a pm. The way it works us any body can answer. I simply stepped in before doodle made a fool of himself. Doesn't matter what hesaid further on the subject it would be wrong. You are a nihilist anyway what God would proof of God do you?

I know he doesn't have proof, because proof of the system cannot be held. He can therefore either resend the comment of having proof, or show the proof (which we agree cannot be done). But if he is to claim proof, I will ask for it.

And, BTW, I quoted his post and asked him for the proof, I asked no one else. You merely inserted yourself and demanded that I heed your posts when I couldn't give two ****s about them.
 
What are you talking about? Liberals mandate evolution every day.

Evolution started prior to humanity, therefore prior to liberalism. So mandates have no effect and are not really relevant. Do you really mean societal progress when you say evolution? Because evolution is both environmental and genetic, not mandated
 
I know he doesn't have proof, because proof of the system cannot be held. He can therefore either resend the comment of having proof, or show the proof (which we agree cannot be done). But if he is to claim proof, I will ask for it.

He doesn't have proof, he is a liar, or he views interpretations of reality as proof. You are smart enough to know that. Why play the game? That isn't smart.

The real argument comes in at this point, why do I need proof to believe something? Why does your opinion matter when it comes to my beliefs? Don't get me wrong, I am not addressing these questions to you. They represent the attitude that people should have regarding beliefs. Your beliefs or what ever you choose to call it are your own, mine are my own. If we can simply disagree with respect for one another in that regard these conversations wouldn't go down this road.

I admit that I did that by saying that you are pathetic for being hopeless. I think that all people have is hope. But in all honesty you stated that that belief was pathetic. I apologize to you, while I disagree with your belief that hope is pathetic, I failed to show you respect.

I am a Christian, but there is no reason we can't have a civil conversation about this. I Assume you are a nihilist, is that incorrect?
 
He doesn't have proof, he is a liar, or he views interpretations of reality as proof. You are smart enough to know that. Why play the game? That isn't smart.

If someone is going to claim proof, I am going to demand proof. That's all there is to it. If they cannot offer proof, then that is measurement that they are lying.

And I ain't a nihilist, I'm just your friendly neighborhood scientist.
 
Wait a minute, I thought we were talking about education, are teachers forcing children to have sex with each other or just educating them about it?


i asked why do people believe government cannot make laws about sex.

and then say government can make laws about sex.......polices are essentially the same as a law.......Federal Laws, Policy & Regulations

Federal Laws, Policy & Regulations

Laws & Policies

https://www.childwelfare.gov/systemwide/laws_policies/

Who makes school policies? And how do they decide what the policies should be? The school board adopts policy, usually upon the recommendation of the superintendent, and the superintendent then implements those policies; however, public school policies originate from federal, state, and local sources.

How School Works: How Policies Are Created

even i am not saying schools are teaching a sexual act, but they are promoting the idea, homosexuality is OK.

if they can say its OK, then why can they not say its...not OK.......see the problem there.

they government ...is coming down on the side of an issue, an issue which they have been given no authority over.

if MASS, teaches homosexuality is good, can TEXAS, teach it is bad?
 
If someone is going to claim proof, I am going to demand proof. That's all there is to it. If they cannot offer proof, then that is measurement that they are lying.

And I ain't a nihilist, I'm just your friendly neighborhood scientist.

Science isn't a spiritual identity. My brother is a devout Catholic and also a scientist.
If you have no spiritual identity just say so.

if you ask someone for proof of their religious beliefs they are going to give you what they consider proof. If it isn't enough to convince you, that doesn't mean they are morons.
 
i asked why do people believe government cannot make laws about sex.

and then say government can make laws about sex.......polices are essentially the same as a law.......Federal Laws, Policy & Regulations

Federal Laws, Policy & Regulations

Laws & Policies

https://www.childwelfare.gov/systemwide/laws_policies/

Who makes school policies? And how do they decide what the policies should be? The school board adopts policy, usually upon the recommendation of the superintendent, and the superintendent then implements those policies; however, public school policies originate from federal, state, and local sources.

How School Works: How Policies Are Created

even i am not saying schools are teaching a sexual act, but they are promoting the idea, homosexuality is OK.

if they can say its OK, then why can they not say its...not OK.......see the problem there.

they government ...is coming down on the side of an issue, an issue which they have been given no authority over.

if MASS, teaches homosexuality is good, can TEXAS, teach it is bad?

No, you were talking about education, then you said education should be censured based on outside school teachings. I don't get where sex came into it.

They have been promoting the idea that heterosexuality is okay, what is the difference?

The government is protecting an oppressed minority. This is the foundation of the united states. The people are the government and the officials are there to ensure that it doesn't become mass tyranny.

No Texas can't, just like they can't teach being Jewish is bad. But they can teach that it's okay.
 
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Science isn't a spiritual identity. My brother is a devout Catholic and also a scientist.
If you have no spiritual identity just say so.

if you ask someone for proof of their religious beliefs they are going to give you what they consider proof. If it isn't enough to convince you, that doesn't mean they are morons.

While it maynot mean that they are morons, it does mean that they have no proof.
 
No, you were talking about education, then you said education should be censured based on outside school teachings. I don't get where sex came into it.

They have been promoting the idea that heterosexuality is okay, what is the difference?

The government is protecting an oppressed minority. This is the foundation of the united states. The people are the government and the officials are there to ensure that it doesn't become mass tyranny.

No Texas can't, just like they can't teach being Jewish is bad. But they can teach that it's okay.


simplified.......why do people believe the state cannot act on an issue, and then in another breath say they can.
 
While it maynot mean that they are morons, it does mean that they have no proof.

Proof enough for them, you aren't part of that equation. your burden of proof is irrelevant. Obviously you are a... I don't know you never gave a spiritual identity.

I assume you are a nihilist that doesn't want to be called a nihilist for some reason.
 
Proof enough for them, you aren't part of that equation. your burden of proof is irrelevant. Obviously you are a... I don't know you never gave a spiritual identity.

I assume you are a nihilist that doesn't want to be called a nihilist for some reason.

No, that's not proof. Proof can be proven. It's pretty much the same word. Something that cannot be demonstrated to others cannot be proven, it's not proof. Measurement makes the proof, it is what we use to prove things. Otherwise it's just opinion and personal interpretation without challenge. Not a form of proof.
 
simplified.......why do people believe the state cannot act on an issue, and then in another breath say they can.

They can't act one way on an issue, but they can another way. They can't say that it is wrong to be Jewish, but they can say it's okay. One way permits freedom, the goal of our government to promote freedom. The other way permits oppression, a violation of our constitution.

So yes the state can do it's duty.
 
They can't act one way on an issue, but they can another way. They can't say that it is wrong to be Jewish, but they can say it's okay. One way permits freedom, the goal of our government to promote freedom. The other way permits oppression, a violation of our constitution.

your stating to me, that if the schools teaches homosexuality is wrong...its oppression...which i buy that argument.

then your stating to me if they dont teach homosexuality it right............its oppression........but i dont buy this one.

explain to me how these are not oppression.


Within months it was brought into the middle schools. In September, 2004, an 8th-grade teacher in Brookline, MA, told National Public Radio that the marriage ruling had opened up the floodgates for teaching homosexuality. “In my mind, I know that, `OK, this is legal now.' If somebody wants to challenge me, I'll say, `Give me a break. It's legal now,'” she told NPR. She added that she now discusses gay sex with her students as explicitly as she desires. For example, she said she tells the kids that lesbians can have vaginal intercourse using sex toys.

By the following year it was in elementary school curricula. Kindergartners were given picture books telling them that same-sex couples are just another kind of family, like their own parents. In 2005, when David Parker of Lexington, MA – a parent of a kindergartner – strongly insisted on being notified when teachers were discussing homosexuality or transgenderism with his son, the school had him arrested and put in jail overnight.

Second graders at the same school were read a book, “King and King”, about two men who have a romance and marry each other, with a picture of them kissing. When parents Rob and Robin Wirthlin complained, they were told that the school had no obligation to notify them or allow them to opt-out their child.

In 2006 the Parkers and Wirthlins filed a federal Civil Rights lawsuit to force the schools to notify parents and allow them to opt-out their elementary-school children when homosexual-related subjects were taught. The federal judges dismissed the case. The judges ruled that because same-sex marriage is legal in Massachusetts, the school actually had a duty to normalize homosexual relationships to children, and that schools have no obligation to notify parents or let them opt-out their children! Acceptance of homosexuality had become a matter of good citizenship!<-----force being applied!

Think about that: Because same-sex marriage is “legal”, a federal judge has ruled that the schools now have a duty to portray homosexual relationships as normal to children, despite what parents think or believe!

In 2006, in the elementary school where my daughter went to Kindergarten, the parents of a third-grader were forced to take their child out of school because a man undergoing a sex-change operation and cross-dressing was being brought into class to teach the children that there are now “different kinds of families.” School officials told the mother that her complaints to the principal were considered “inappropriate behavior.”

Libraries have also radically changed. School libraries across the state, from elementary school to high school, now have shelves of books to normalize homosexual behavior and the lifestyle in the minds of kids, some of them quite explicit and even pornographic. Parents complaints are ignored or met with hostility.

Over the past year, homosexual groups have been using taxpayer money to distribute a large, slick hardcover book celebrating homosexual marriage titled “Courting Equality” into every school library in the state.

It’s become commonplace in Massachusetts schools for teachers to prominently display photos of their same-sex “spouses” and occasionally bring them to school functions. Both high schools in my own town now have principals who are “married” to their same-sex partners, whom they bring to school and introduce to the students.

“Gay days” in schools are considered necessary to fight “intolerance” which may exist against same-sex relationships. Hundreds of high schools and even middle schools across the state now hold “gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender appreciation days”. They “celebrate” homosexual marriage and move forward to other behaviors such as cross-dressing and transsexuality. In my own town, a school committee member recently announced that combating “homophobia” is now a top priority.

Once homosexuality has been normalized, all boundaries will come down. The schools are already moving on to normalizing transgenderism (including cross-dressing and sex changes). The state-funded Commission on Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender Youth includes leaders who are transsexuals.

http://www.massresistance.org/docs/marriage/effects_of_ssm.html
 
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No, that's not proof. Proof can be proven. It's pretty much the same word. Something that cannot be demonstrated to others cannot be proven, it's not proof. Measurement makes the proof, it is what we use to prove things. Otherwise it's just opinion and personal interpretation without challenge. Not a form of proof.

There are churches full of people who have seen proof. People have proven it to others billions of times. It's called conversion, just because out doesn't meet your rigor of proof doesn't mean it isn't proof.

I don't know what your measure of proof is but that is a highly subjective thing. All I need for proof that gravity exist is that things fall, Isaak Newton didn't think that was enough. I am not saying that is wrong, just that my burden of proof is not as rigorous as Newtons or yours.

but I can show someone that God exists to people, not you, your mind is made up, but others yes, I have.
 
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