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Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743:1845; 2006]

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Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

Boo Radley said:
That's a cop out. I get to marry person I love and am attracted to. They deserve the same.
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Wrong. It's normal thinking. It's how normal people think. It's how people who understand their biological functions, think. It's how people who aren't perverts, think. You get to marry the person you love and are attracted to because you are normal, in that respect.

I want homosexuals (and bisexuals for that matter) to have the same rights I have. Now they're getting more. Where's the justice in that?
 
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Dooble said:
Wrong. It's normal thinking. It's how normal people think. It's how people who understand their biological functions, think. It's how people who aren't perverts, think. You get to marry the person you love and are attracted to because you are normal, in that respect.

I want homosexuals (and bisexuals for that matter) to have the same rights I have. Now they're getting more. Where's the justice in that?
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NORMAL people? You do understand that "normal" is completely relative?

NORMAL was used to disenfranchise, abuse, and exterminate whole nations of people throughout history. Doubt that? Ask the Jews, Armenians, Cambodian intelligentsia, Native Americans, Russian Kulaks, Tasmanian aborogines, etc. etc. etc., if you can find any survivors.

If you want "homosexuals to have the same rights as you" then recognize there are no such things as "special rights;" and that everything you can do they should be allowed to do without objections.
 
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Dooble said:
Wrong. It's normal thinking. It's how normal people think. It's how people who understand their biological functions, think. It's how people who aren't perverts, think. You get to marry the person you love and are attracted to because you are normal, in that respect.

I want homosexuals (and bisexuals for that matter) to have the same rights I have. Now they're getting more. Where's the justice in that?
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Nonsense. And no, you get to marry the person you love and are attracted to. Thy don't. Sorry, but you are denying them the same right you have. You're trying to run their lives. That's unAmerican.
 
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Captain Adverse said:
NORMAL people? You do understand that "normal" is completely relative?
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No, I don't understand that. What I do understand is that we've been doing the same thing with marriage since this country's inception. THAT has been normal.

Captain Adverse said:
NORMAL was used to disenfranchise, abuse, and exterminate whole nations of people throughout history. Doubt that? Ask the Jews, Armenians, Cambodian intelligentsia, Native Americans, Russian Kulaks, Tasmanian aborogines, etc. etc. etc., if you can find any survivors.
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"Normal" in this case, is marriage between a man and a woman. And I'm sure I could find thousands and thousands of homosexuals who have survived your so-called "disenfranchisement".

Oh, just so you know, you have to actually be franchised before you can be disenfranchised. ;)
 
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Boo Radley said:
Nonsense. And no, you get to marry the person you love and are attracted to. Thy don't. Sorry, but you are denying them the same right you have. You're trying to run their lives. That's unAmerican.
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Uh-uh. Leftists hate the stability families have brought, and gay marriage is just one more attack they've launched on the institution. THAT is un-American.
 
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Dooble said:
Uh-uh. Leftists hate the stability families have brought, and gay marriage is just more attack they've launched on the institution. THAT is un-American.
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It's always a bad sign when someone starts arguing with leftists and rightists instead of the person before them. As I've been married for over 30 years, raised two children, and housed more, saying I hate stable families is simply factually inaccurate. You are relying on stick stereotypes and debating the actual issue. This too s a sign of failure on your part.
 
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Boo Radley said:
It's always a bad sign when someone starts arguing with leftists and rightists instead of the person before them. As I've been married for over 30 years, raised two children, and housed more, saying I hate stable families is simply factually inaccurate. You are relying on stick stereotypes and debating the actual issue. This too s a sign of failure on your part.
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Wrong. It means that apparently you've managed to keep your family together despite external forces trying to rip it apart, so kudos to you. The question then must be asked, what is your definition of stable? Are your kids occupy anywhere disciples, or have they been instilled with sound moral values?
 
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Dooble said:
Wrong. It means that apparently you've managed to keep your family together despite external forces trying to rip it apart, so kudos to you. The question then must be asked, what is your definition of stable? Are your kids occupy anywhere disciples, or have they been instilled with sound moral values?
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Ever notice how fascists always claim anyone who disagrees with them is a leftist or a communist?
 
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My firm belief is that none of the religions listed will be able to resist the rabid homosexual attacks.
If they want to ruin your organization they will and will have the power of the government on their side.
 
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Quag said:
Ever notice how fascists always claim anyone who disagrees with them is a leftist or a communist?
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I get fascists disagreeing with me to. Leftists and Communists are more or less one in the same. I notice combinations of all three in some people, so conversations get somewhat interesting at times.
 
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interesting or they become so twisted up as to be meaningless

Most posters hold so many conflicting viewpoints that they
can't even list which way they 'lean'
they are the worst of the lot at least you know where a fricken commie is coming from
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

Dooble said:
Wrong. It means that apparently you've managed to keep your family together despite external forces trying to rip it apart, so kudos to you. The question then must be asked, what is your definition of stable? Are your kids occupy anywhere disciples, or have they been instilled with sound moral values?
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My kids have done fine. My daughter is married, has one child, is in graduate school. Her husband has his doctorate. My son is a manager at Mernards. He's younger, but has been solid. Neither do drugs. They've provided no trouble.

For the record, I can also introduce you to children of a homosexual coupe who've been just as stable. Your premise is quite flawed. And with marriage, such relationships would be even more stable.
 
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Boo Radley said:
My kids have done fine. My daughter is married, has one child, is in graduate school. Her husband has his doctorate. My son is a manager at Mernards. He's younger, but has been solid. Neither do drugs. They've provided no trouble.

For the record, I can also introduce you to children of a homosexual coupe who've been just as stable. Your premise is quite flawed. And with marriage, such relationships would be even more stable.
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What do you mean "Just as stable"?
 
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Dooble said:
What do you mean "Just as stable"?
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More than those relationships are now.
 
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AngryOldGuy said:
interesting or they become so twisted up as to be meaningless

Most posters hold so many conflicting viewpoints that they
can't even list which way they 'lean'
they are the worst of the lot at least you know where a fricken commie is coming from
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:lamo:lamo:lamo:lamo

Lord, you guys need a clue.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

Boo "the lord is my shepherd i shall not want" ?

forget a clue Vanna I would like to buy a vowel

er wait cani call a friend?
 
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AngryOldGuy said:
Boo "the lord is my shepherd i shall not want" ?

forget a clue Vanna I would like to buy a vowel

er wait cani call a friend?
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Know the prayer. Wish you knew what you're talking about. :coffeepap
 
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what possible good could that do?
 
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Dooble said:
No, I don't understand that. What I do understand is that we've been doing the same thing with marriage since this country's inception. THAT has been normal.
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Exactly. YOU don't understand how "normal" is relative. You "relate" normal to "we've been doing the same thing...yadda yadda."

Well, it was "normal" to own slaves since this county's "inception," and might have remained so without the Abolitionist movement which culminated in our Civil War and the 14th Amendment.

It was "normal" for women to be denied the right to vote since this country's "inception," and could have remained so without the Women's Sufferage movement leading to the 19th Amendment.

Dooble said:
Oh, just so you know, you have to actually be franchised before you can be disenfranchised. ;)
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The term was a part of a list of methods used by "Normal" people against those they considered undeserving, as you can see above. Your comment has no merit in support of your position.

In any case it is interesting how you ignored the last part of my post:

Captain Adverse said:
If you want "homosexuals to have the same rights as you" then recognize there are no such things as "special rights;" and that everything you can do they should be allowed to do without objections.
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If you have the "right" to marry a person of the opposite sex because it is "normal" for you to want to do so; then a same-sex couple should have the right to marry because it is "normal" for them to want to do so. Otherwise you are claiming marriage is a special right reserved for heterosexuals.
 
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Captain Adverse said:
Exactly. YOU don't understand how "normal" is relative. You "relate" normal to "we've been doing the same thing...yadda yadda."
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I understand that YOU put homosexual behavior in the same playing field as skin color and gender. You don't get to do that.

Captain Adverse said:
Well, it was "normal" to own slaves since this county's "inception," and might have remained so without the Abolitionist movement which culminated in our Civil War and the 14th Amendment.

It was "normal" for women to be denied the right to vote since this country's "inception," and could have remained so without the Women's Sufferage movement leading to the 19th Amendment.
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THIS normal (traditional marriage) happens to be right, so it needs to stay intact.

Captain Adverse said:
The term was a part of a list of methods used by "Normal" people against those they considered undeserving, as you can see above. Your comment has no merit in support of your position.
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Wrong. It's the non franchised mimicking the franchised, and complaining to the SC that they've been disenfranchised. My God how you love deceit. When-o-when will you people stop lying to the American people?

Captain Adverse said:
In any case it is interesting how you ignored the last part of my post:
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Can I help it if what you post is largely ignorable?
 
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Dooble said:
I understand that YOU put homosexual behavior in the same playing field as skin color and gender. You don't get to do that.

THIS normal (traditional marriage) happens to be right, so it needs to stay intact.

Wrong. It's the non franchised mimicking the franchised, and complaining to the SC that they've been disenfranchised. My God how you love deceit. When-o-when will you people stop lying to the American people?

Can I help it if what you post is largely ignorable?
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Amazing! You really cannot see how your justifications are exactly the kinds used by proponents of human slavery, women's innate subordinate role to men, genocide, and all the other horrors perpetuated by people of your mindset in the past.

And you still haven't supported your original position regarding how you differentiate same-sex marriage as a demand for "special rights." Heterosexuals have a right to marry each other. Homosexuals want the right to marry each other. Denying them that right is clearly stating that heterosexuals have a special right homosexuals do not deserve to have. PERIOD!
 
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Captain Adverse said:
Amazing! You really cannot see how your justifications are exactly the kinds used by proponents of human slavery, women's innate subordinate role to men, genocide, and all the other horrors perpetuated by people of your mindset in the past.
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Behavior is not part of the equation. Now, if ALL homosexuals were born gay, then you might have a point. But since ALL homosexuals are not born gay, then you have no choice but to accept that it's a behavior issue, not genetics.

Captain Adverse said:
And you still haven't supported your original position regarding how you differentiate same-sex marriage as a demand for "special rights." Heterosexuals have a right to marry each other. Homosexuals want the right to marry each other. Denying them that right is clearly stating that heterosexuals have a special right homosexuals do not deserve to have. PERIOD!
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Marriage is between one man and one woman. That's the franchise. That's the way it was at the first marriage of time, and that's the way it was at the first marriage of this country. I want homosexuals to enjoy that same rights I have: to marry someone of the same sex.
 
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Dooble said:
Marriage is between one man and one woman. That's the franchise. That's the way it was at the first marriage of time, and that's the way it was at the first marriage of this country. I want homosexuals to enjoy that same rights I have: to marry someone of the same sex.
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SERIOUSLY you married some one of the same sex!
 
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Dooble said:
Behavior is not part of the equation. Now, if ALL homosexuals were born gay, then you might have a point. But since ALL homosexuals are not born gay, then you have no choice but to accept that it's a behavior issue.....
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Aside from the fact that is merely your opinion, which flies in the face of ALL evidence, it still has nothing whatsoever to do with the issue. (BTW, we don't know it is not genetics, or if it is hormonal changes in the womb, but science seems to indicate people ARE born gay).

Dooble said:
Marriage is between one man and one woman. That's the franchise. That's the way it was at the first marriage of time, and that's the way it was at the first marriage of this country.
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Again, that is a matter of personal faith, not necessarily a FACT. It is merely a justification for creating and maintaining a "special right" for the heterosexual members of our society.

Furthermore, the "franchise" for men was the exclusive right to vote pre-19th Amendment. The right to freedom and all citizenship rights was the exclusive "franchise" of non-blacks pre-civil war. Both of these were also justified as "God-given" and "normal" social conditions. So, back to your original statement:

Dooble said:
I want homosexuals (and bisexuals for that matter) to have the same rights I have. Now they're getting more. Where's the justice in that?
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And my continued response:

Captain Adverse said:
If you want "homosexuals to have the same rights as you" then recognize there are no such things as "special rights;" and that everything you can do they should be allowed to do without objections.
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winston53660 said:
SERIOUSLY you married some one of the same sex!
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Typo, and you know it. Thanks Winston, for bringing this to high school locker room levels.
 
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