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Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743:1845; 2006]

Who will still be standing


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Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

So then why do you get so bent out of shape over my opinons?

Bent out of shape? You clear misread. I'm merely engaged is discussion. I fundamentally disagree with you and find your belief system harmful to you as well as others. Like I said, if harms humanity and doesn't uplift the human. I'd prefer to win that argument, but I'm not bent out of shape by any means.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

From biased sources? Sure.

I'm sure any source hat disagrees with you is biased. However, I did suggest you should read more dissenting literature. It would help you have a more well rounded view of the issue.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

Bent out of shape? You clear misread. I'm merely engaged is discussion. I fundamentally disagree with you and find your belief system harmful to you as well as others. Like I said, if harms humanity and doesn't uplift the human. I'd prefer to win that argument, but I'm not bent out of shape by any means.

How does it harm humanity? It doesn't. It furtheres morality.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

I'm sure any source hat disagrees with you is biased. However, I did suggest you should read more dissenting literature. It would help you have a more well rounded view of the issue.

You don't think I have?
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

How does it harm humanity? It doesn't. It furtheres morality.

Bigotry nearly always harms. It is hateful. Closed minded and has nothing to do with morality. Loving someone is much more moral than greed, violence, and any number of sins. Humanity is better when it sees that love, that commitment, that tenderness than when it response with hate.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

You don't think I have?

No, I don't. You responses show no recognition of any well rounded understanding of the issue.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

Bigotry nearly always harms. It is hateful. Closed minded and has nothing to do with morality. Loving someone is much more moral than greed, violence, and any number of sins. Humanity is better when it sees that love, that commitment, that tenderness than when it response with hate.

Yes, anti-religious bigotry has a long track record of being very harmful.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

Yes, anti-religious bigotry has a long track record of being very harmful.

As a Catholic I'm not anti-religious. I'm anti-bigotry.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

So then why do you get so bent out of shape over my opinons?

Perhaps it is just because they are arbitrary, selective, specious, inconsistant, dogmatic, thoughtless, irrational, obsessive and unnecessarily bigoted.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

Bigotry nearly always harms. It is hateful. Closed minded and has nothing to do with morality. Loving someone is much more moral than greed, violence, and any number of sins. Humanity is better when it sees that love, that commitment, that tenderness than when it response with hate.

You seem to think I hate the person..... Not the case.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

Perhaps it is just because they are arbitrary, selective, specious, inconsistant, dogmatic, thoughtless, irrational, obsessive and unnecessarily bigoted.

Not arbitrary, not inconsistant, not thoughtless, not irrational, not unnecessarily bigoted. Dogmatic? Perhaps, Selective, I could see where you say that, obsessive, I can see where you get that too.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

You seem to think I hate the person..... Not the case.

I don't believe that is the case. I think many hide behind that type of saying. If it wasn't more personal, it'd take it's proper place in the hierarchy of sins, down around eating too much, and not all these threads on it. There are far greater concerns for the Christian out here.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

I don't believe that is the case. I think many hide behind that type of saying. If it wasn't more personal, it'd take it's proper place in the hierarchy of sins, down around eating too much, and not all these threads on it. There are far greater concerns for the Christian out here.

Of course there are other concerns, doesn't mean we can't stand on this one when it comes up. Look, I don't go out and picket about the gay agenda, I don't make a huge public fuss, do I discuss it when it is brought up? Absolutely.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

Of course there are other concerns, doesn't mean we can't stand on this one when it comes up. Look, I don't go out and picket about the gay agenda, I don't make a huge public fuss, do I discuss it when it is brought up? Absolutely.

It is the overkill focus that disturbs me. And when you consider how unlikely it is that it is a concern for heaven, and that loving is better than hating, the constant beating against is does and will always come across as hateful.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

It is the overkill focus that disturbs me. And when you consider how unlikely it is that it is a concern for heaven, and that loving is better than hating, the constant beating against is does and will always come across as hateful.

You seem to think I have an overfocus on it. I don't, this board does. It is one of the most discussed topics, as it is also one of the most discussed topics in the nation. Of course that is what is going to be talked about, it's not the only thing I talk about. I'm very active in the Zimmerman threads as well which doesn't even touch on the topic. Well, until that girl said that Zimmerman might have been like that, but that's a different story.

It is a concern for heaven as all sin is, granted, you don't think it is a sin due to your sources. That's fine, wrong, but your opinion none-the-less.

But I can't stand it when people push the homosexual topics in our faces, basically baiting us, then call us bigoted and hateful because we fight for what we believe.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

It is the overkill focus that disturbs me. And when you consider how unlikely it is that it is a concern for heaven, and that loving is better than hating, the constant beating against is does and will always come across as hateful.


Focus, indeed!


What is especially amazing to me is that were a person to simply go about the business of picking up the N.T., reading the thing from cover to cover like one would do with any other text, and attempt to make sense of it all without the interference of a bunch of thumpers telling them what's what, about the LAST thing they would come up with is that it is all about homosexual "sin". All that focus comes from other men and not the bible they claim to be using as their guide.

Jesus said "Follow ME". Quite simply put -- they don't.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

You seem to think I have an overfocus on it. I don't, this board does. It is one of the most discussed topics, as it is also one of the most discussed topics in the nation. Of course that is what is going to be talked about, it's not the only thing I talk about. I'm very active in the Zimmerman threads as well which doesn't even touch on the topic. Well, until that girl said that Zimmerman might have been like that, but that's a different story.

It is a concern for heaven as all sin is, granted, you don't think it is a sin due to your sources. That's fine, wrong, but your opinion none-the-less.

But I can't stand it when people push the homosexual topics in our faces, basically baiting us, then call us bigoted and hateful because we fight for what we believe.

Like I have said, I'm not convinced it is a sin. But as the definition of sin is not just evil, but more along the lines of how to live a better life (like when eating pork was dangerous, eating pork was forbidden), being a sin doesn't mean we deny rights, call out, defame, or attack such. This is a minor league sin if it is a sin at all. No need for the constant attacks against it.

And as you engage in these threads, a lot, you might consider your role. Just a thought.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

Focus, indeed!


What is especially amazing to me is that were a person to simply go about the business of picking up the N.T., reading the thing from cover to cover like one would do with any other text, and attempt to make sense of it all without the interference of a bunch of thumpers telling them what's what, about the LAST thing they would come up with is that it is all about homosexual "sin". All that focus comes from other men and not the bible they claim to be using as their guide.

Jesus said "Follow ME". Quite simply put -- they don't.

Many, I think, forget Jesus. He said this above all else, love one another. The said let he who is without sin cast the first stone. He was very lenient of the "sex" sins. If he is the role model for the Christian, I would say too few follow that model.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

Like I have said, I'm not convinced it is a sin. But as the definition of sin is not just evil, but more along the lines of how to live a better life (like when eating pork was dangerous, eating pork was forbidden), being a sin doesn't mean we deny rights, call out, defame, or attack such. This is a minor league sin if it is a sin at all. No need for the constant attacks against it.

And as you engage in these threads, a lot, you might consider your role. Just a thought.

Fair point at the end. That being said, all sin is equal. All sin condemns us to hell, the only way to escape that is to turn and repent and follow Christ as Lord.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

Fair point at the end. That being said, all sin is equal. All sin condemns us to hell, the only way to escape that is to turn and repent and follow Christ as Lord.

Yes, I've read that, but not so much among men. Murder will upset me a lot more than eating too much chocolate. It really is worse. Sins also fall into categories. So, while I understand where that saying scores from, I don't really buy that here in our world.

And if Christians really believe it, we'd see a lot of gossip threads and over eating threads from them. The Westboro bunch would be protesting beer drinkers and drunks. So, there is something more than a belief of it being a sin involved here.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

Yes, I've read that, but not so much among men. Murder will upset me a lot more than eating too much chocolate. It really is worse. Sins also fall into categories. So, while I understand where that saying scores from, I don't really buy that here in our world.

And if Christians really believe it, we'd see a lot of gossip threads and over eating threads from them. The Westboro bunch would be protesting beer drinkers and drunks. So, there is something more than a belief of it being a sin involved here.

Westboro takes things to a whole different and disgraceful level. That being said, of course man doesn't see all sin as equal, but God does not distinguish sins to be different. All condemn to hell.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

Like I have said, I'm not convinced it is a sin. But as the definition of sin is not just evil, but more along the lines of how to live a better life (like when eating pork was dangerous, eating pork was forbidden), being a sin doesn't mean we deny rights, call out, defame, or attack such. This is a minor league sin if it is a sin at all. No need for the constant attacks against it.

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Some people are unwilling to ever ask "WHY?" . Why was eating pork forbidden? Why was eating Shellfish bad? There may have been reasons at the time like you mentioned, so understanding the reason is essential to understanding the prohibition. Without reason, one is simply dealing with arbitrariness.

In the case of Homosexuality, why was this looked down upon by small bands of nomadic people trying to eke out an existence in a hostile environment? Seems obvious to anybody who is capable of original thought unfettered by all the crap other people spew, since children were necessary to ensure survival in an agrarian society, many children died, and so acts that limited the production of children were taboo by very nature. Is this actual "sin", though, or a mere social more?

True sin has to do with one person causing harm to another. Stealing is sinful since it takes something away from a person that is theirs. Lying is sinful since it is an attempt to decieve in order to gain advantage. Killing is a sin for obvious reasons. THis is the nature of the entire notion of morality since it involves the adjudication of actions based upon potential harm. What the dogmatic thumpers routinely fail to provide in any arguments such as these is anything that supports the notion that homoseuality is intrinsically harmful, and so is sinful. They can't -- not in ways that are intellectually honest, so they simply fall back on their arbitrary notions that are never questioned, never analyzed, but simply offered as if all the proof that was needed was the fact that they are bigoted.

It's wrong because I say it's wrong and because I say it's wrong it's wrong. What a sad waste of whatever intelligence God did give them.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

Westboro takes things to a whole different and disgraceful level. That being said, of course man doesn't see all sin as equal, but God does not distinguish sins to be different. All condemn to hell.

If true, that falls within his domain and not ours. And I'm not sure I'd follow a God who condemned me to he'll for eating too many twinkies. Just saying.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

follow Christ as Lord.

So, what is stopping you? You routinely ignore His words, you show Him so little respect that you actually think Him incapable of knowing what was importand and what was not, have such hubris that you claim He had attitudes that reflected your beliefs even though He never stated such and and turn to just about anybody instead of Jesus.
 
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