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If someone only molest young boys is he gay, a pedohile or both. [W:417]

If someone only molests young boys is he gay, a pedohile, or both


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I'll be first to proudly admit that I'm clueless about why someone would be sexualy attractive to someone of the same sex.

It's always nice to hear someone admit that they don't know anything about a topic. I always appreciate that kind of honesty.

If you read most of these studies, I have to assume you have been indoctrinated.

No, you can assume that unlike you, I've researched the issue and understand the facts. This is far more preferable than remaining ignorant on this topic.
 
First, I want you to understand this in the context that I'm very pro-SSM and gay rights, but this is a matter of simple definitions. Second, I never said it had anything to do with sexual orientation. I'm saying if he only has sexual relations with males, regardless of age, he is homosexual. If a pedophile likes boys, he's at a minimum a bisexual.

If I only like blonde females, I'm not only a lover of blondes, I'm also a heterosexual.

Here's a chart I made up for you. Let's use "John" as an example. These are his titles based on the x'd preferences.

JohnMalesFemalesChildren
Heterosexualx
Homosexualx
Bisexualxx
Heterosexual Pedophilexx
Homosexual Pedophilexx
Bisexual Pedophilexxx

Here's an example of the differentiation:

If a male's sexual preference is towards adult females, he's straight
If a male's sexual preference is towards adult males, he's gay.
If a male's sexual preference is towards adult females, and his pedophilia is towards male children, he's STRAIGHT.
If a mele's sexual preference is towards adult males, and his pedophilia is towards male children, he's GAY.

The sex of the child that one's pedophilia is aimed towards is irrelevant when determining sexual orientation.
 
Anyone who advocates that the U.S. military should be used for social engineering experimentation is 99.9% likely to be a "radical lefty."

Are you referring to DOMA? If so, the only ones who would be for DOMA in this day and age are radical righties.

Dr. Merek is a radical leftist activist and also a hetrophobe who labels anyone who doesn't condone same sex sodomy as being prejudice.
I'm willing to bet that it was Dr. Merek who also wanted to make bestiality legal in the military and I'm sure Merek will label anyone who doesn't except bestiality as being normal of being prejudice.

This is nothing but the opinion of a radical righty who probably believes that anyone left of Attila the Hun is a radical lefty. You really don't have much credibility with making these kinds of assessments. Beyond that, you have no evidence of ANY of your suppositions.

Senate Approves Bill that Legalizes Sodomy and Bestiality in U.S. Military

>" On Nov. 15, the Senate Armed Services Committee had unanimously approved S. 1867, the National Defense Authorization Act, which includes a provision to repeal Article 125 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ).

Article 125 of the UCMJ makes it illegal to engage in both sodomy with humans and sex with animals...

“It’s all about using the military to advance this administration’s radical social agenda,” Perkins told CNSNews.com. “Not only did they overturn Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, but they had another problem, and that is, under military law sodomy is illegal, just as adultery is illegal, so they had to remove that prohibition against sodomy.”

Perkins said removing the bestiality provision may have been intentional--or just “collateral damage”

“Well, whether it was inadvertent or not, they have also taken out the provision against bestiality,” he said. “So now, under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), there’s nothing there to prosecute bestiality."..."<
Senate Approves Bill that Legalizes Sodomy and Bestiality in U.S. Military | CNS News

Sorry. As soon as I saw Family Research Council, I dismissed everything that was said. Their credibility is FAR worse than Conservapedia's. They don't even know what sodomy is.

Side note: You may have remembered that the Obama White House were against keeping bestiality illegal in the military. But once it became public Obama and those he surrounds himself with sure became silent on the issue, probably hoping that Dr. Merek will be able to indoctrinate those who oppose sodomizing animals by telling them if you don't condone bestiality your sexually prejudice.

Please provide evidence that Dr. Herek advocates for legalizing bestiality in the military.

This should be good.
 
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>" Gay activists have strenuously argued that there is no connection between homosexuality and the sexual abuse of children. They point out that the majority of child molestation cases are by heterosexuals. But they neglect a pivotal fact: Homosexuals comprise only a small percentage of the population, yet account for an extraordinarily high percentage of offenses against children.

A recent study in Demography estimated the number of exclusive male homosexuals in the general population at 2.5 percent, and the number of exclusive lesbians at 1.4 percent. The study took into account three large data sets, including the all-encompassing U.S. Census.

Now consider a report from the Journal of Sex Research which noted that homosexual pedophiles commit about one-third of the total number of child sex offenses, even though they are outnumbered by heterosexuals 20 to one. Less than four percent of the population commits one-third of the offenses against children!

In The Gay Report, homosexual researchers report data showing that better than 7 out of 10 homosexuals surveyed had at some time had sex with boys 16 to 19.

Or consider a study in Archives of Sexual Behavior, which found that of 229 convicted child molesters surveyed, “85 percent of offenders against males described themselves as homosexual or bisexual.”

The evidence is clear. Homosexuals have an overwhelming propensity towards child molestation. This is not to say that all homosexuals act out with pedophile tendencies. But the percentage of those who do is so disproportionately high it would be irresponsible and costly to ignore. Just ask the Roman Catholic Church.

At the same time, the liberal media has worked overtime to disconnect pedophelia and homosexuality...<
Penn State, Syracuse University, Pedophelia, Homosexuality and Child Abuse… | Conservative Critic's Blog

Another dumb conservative blog that presents no new evidence, and misrepresents the information that is does provide. Do you EVER post any source that's credible? I haven't seen you do it in THIS thread.
 
If they molest boys they are no longer heterosexual. Here we go again, not all gay men are pedophiles, but all men the crave have sex with boys are GAY. Actions speak louder that words.

Here we go again. You don't understand the difference between sexual orientation and sexual behavior.
 
Apparently they're bi-curious. If you have sexual relations with someone of your same gender, you by the very definition, are at least bisexual. heterosexual, by definition, is off the table.

It doesn't magically become gay on someone's 13th birthday.

No you aren't. Attraction is what determines sexuality, not who you have sex with.
 
So you're trying to say pedophiles aren't attracted to children? They are both attracted to them AND engage in actions. So I have absolutely no idea what point you were trying to make.

Pedophiles are attracted to children, however not for intimate relationships, only sexual pleasure for themselves. They also do not all engage in actions. There are pedophiles who do not molest children at all because they are able to control themselves (and hopefully they will be able to get help for that before they can't control those urges or harm themselves). There are also child molesters that are not pedophiles. They have no attraction to the children. They are using child molestation to harm the child or someone else or express anger or control.
 
If they molest boys they are no longer heterosexual. Here we go again, not all gay men are pedophiles, but all men the crave have sex with boys are GAY. Actions speak louder that words.

Just because they molest boys, does not mean their attraction is to boys. It is to children, and generally it is not based on the sex/gender of the child, but rather availability or other factors.
 
Pedophiles are attracted to children, however not for intimate relationships, only sexual pleasure for themselves. They also do not all engage in actions. There are pedophiles who do not molest children at all because they are able to control themselves (and hopefully they will be able to get help for that before they can't control those urges or harm themselves). There are also child molesters that are not pedophiles. They have no attraction to the children. They are using child molestation to harm the child or someone else or express anger or control.
So the average bachelor not looking for intimate relationships and just casual sex with women isn't heterosexual? He has to want an intimate relationship and bi-directional pleasure?

At what age of the kid does it magically become a homosexual act? His 13th birthday?

No you aren't. Attraction is what determines sexuality, not who you have sex with.
Naturally, and if they're attracted to children of the same gender, they are both homosexual and pedophiles.

Here's an example of the differentiation:

If a male's sexual preference is towards adult females, he's straight
If a male's sexual preference is towards adult males, he's gay.
If a male's sexual preference is towards adult females, and his pedophilia is towards male children, he's STRAIGHT.
If a mele's sexual preference is towards adult males, and his pedophilia is towards male children, he's GAY.

The sex of the child that one's pedophilia is aimed towards is irrelevant when determining sexual orientation.

And if his sexual preference is children? He's neither heterosexual nor homosexual? Just a pedophile?
 
So the average bachelor not looking for intimate relationships and just casual sex with women isn't heterosexual? He has to want an intimate relationship and bi-directional pleasure?

At what age of the kid does it magically become a homosexual act? His 13th birthday?

Naturally, and if they're attracted to children of the same gender, they are both homosexual and pedophiles.

And if his sexual preference is children? He's neither heterosexual nor homosexual? Just a pedophile?

No "bachelor" is likely to always want just one night stands or flings. But if they do, they could be classified as either heterosexual or asexual even.

And a person is going to homosexual, heterosexual, or bisexual based on their attractions, not their acts. So there would be no magical age at which sexuality is specified. If a person is attracted to those of a certain age that is different than sexuality.

If they are attracted to children, they are pedophiles. Sexuality is based on adult type attractions to a certain sex/gender, not actions, nor age-based attraction.
 
No "bachelor" is likely to always want just one night stands or flings. But if they do, they could be classified as either heterosexual or asexual even.

And a person is going to homosexual, heterosexual, or bisexual based on their attractions, not their acts. So there would be no magical age at which sexuality is specified. If a person is attracted to those of a certain age that is different than sexuality.

If they are attracted to children, they are pedophiles. Sexuality is based on adult type attractions to a certain sex/gender, not actions, nor age-based attraction.

sex·u·al·i·ty [sek-shoo-al-i-tee or, esp. British, seks-yoo-] Show IPA
noun
1.
sexual character; possession of the structural and functional traits of sex.
2.
recognition of or emphasis upon sexual matters.
3.
involvement in sexual activity.
4.
an organism's preparedness for engaging in sexual activity.

sexual attraction

noun
attractiveness on the basis of sexual desire

sexual orientation
noun
one's natural preference in sexual partners; predilection for homosexuality, heterosexuality, or bisexuality.



You can't just make up new definitions to words. Show me a single dictionary that clarifies sexuality, sexual attraction, sexual orientation, or anything related to be ADULT only. A few hundred years back they were marrying 12 year olds.

Sorry, but being attracted to only boys is suuuuper gay.
 
sex·u·al·i·ty [sek-shoo-al-i-tee or, esp. British, seks-yoo-] Show IPA
noun
1.
sexual character; possession of the structural and functional traits of sex.
2.
recognition of or emphasis upon sexual matters.
3.
involvement in sexual activity.
4.
an organism's preparedness for engaging in sexual activity.

sexual attraction

noun
attractiveness on the basis of sexual desire

sexual orientation
noun
one's natural preference in sexual partners; predilection for homosexuality, heterosexuality, or bisexuality.



You can't just make up new definitions to words. Show me a single dictionary that clarifies sexuality, sexual attraction, sexual orientation, or anything related to be ADULT only. A few hundred years back they were marrying 12 year olds.

Sorry, but being attracted to only boys is suuuuper gay.

It is adult type attractions. Wanting to pursue intimate relationships with people of a certain sex can occur at younger ages, even if at those ages, children don't really know what intimate relationships actually entail.
 
sex·u·al·i·ty [sek-shoo-al-i-tee or, esp. British, seks-yoo-] Show IPA
noun
1.
sexual character; possession of the structural and functional traits of sex.
2.
recognition of or emphasis upon sexual matters.
3.
involvement in sexual activity.
4.
an organism's preparedness for engaging in sexual activity.

sexual attraction

noun
attractiveness on the basis of sexual desire

sexual orientation
noun
one's natural preference in sexual partners; predilection for homosexuality, heterosexuality, or bisexuality.



You can't just make up new definitions to words. Show me a single dictionary that clarifies sexuality, sexual attraction, sexual orientation, or anything related to be ADULT only. A few hundred years back they were marrying 12 year olds.

Sorry, but being attracted to only boys is suuuuper gay.

Sexual orientation, homosexuality and bisexuality
 

Using the search function for "adult", your link only says it twice, and neither of them say anything relevant. And "pediatric" is the closest thing to pedophile on the page.

It is adult type attractions. Wanting to pursue intimate relationships with people of a certain sex can occur at younger ages, even if at those ages, children don't really know what intimate relationships actually entail.

Aha, so you don't have any evidence or arguments to support your position?
 
Using the search function for "adult", your link only says it twice, and neither of them say anything relevant. And "pediatric" is the closest thing to pedophile on the page.

Aha, so you don't have any evidence or arguments to support your position?

And you have nothing to actually support yours either. Sexuality is constantly evolving in meaning because we realize that you cannot compare attraction between adults of certain sexes/genders legitimately to attraction of an adult to a child and base sexuality of the adult on what the gender of the child is because of the reasons behind why adults who are attracted to children may "choose" their targets.
 
And you have nothing to actually support yours either. Sexuality is constantly evolving in meaning because we realize that you cannot compare attraction between adults of certain sexes/genders legitimately to attraction of an adult to a child and base sexuality of the adult on what the gender of the child is because of the reasons behind why adults who are attracted to children may "choose" their targets.

Uh huh. I'm curious why people here are so passionate to defend child molesters from allegedly being mislabeled as homosexuals. Are you afraid if you don't do mental gymnastics around it, it will somehow portray a negative view on homosexuals?

I have no idea why else you would try to redefine the simplest concept in the world.

- "Does Joe like ONLY males?"
- "Yes"
- "Then he's gay."

There is no magical age where sex turns into reality or not. There is no age discrimination in sexuality.
 
Uh huh. I'm curious why people here are so passionate to defend child molesters from allegedly being mislabeled as homosexuals. Are you afraid if you don't do mental gymnastics around it, it will somehow portray a negative view on homosexuals?

I have no idea why else you would try to redefine the simplest concept in the world.

- "Does Joe like ONLY males?"
- "Yes"
- "Then he's gay."

There is no magical age where sex turns into reality or not. There is no age discrimination in sexuality.

I have a problem with people labeling child molesters as gay or straight or bi based on the children they molest because some want to use those specific labels to try to tie child molestation to those specific sexualities, when it isn't connected in any way.
 
I have a problem with people labeling child molesters as gay or straight or bi based on the children they molest because some want to use those specific labels to try to tie child molestation to those specific sexualities, when it isn't connected in any way.

Well at least we got to the root of it. I look at things plainly and logically. I don't twist word definitions to help my case.

I'm very pro-SSM, and I couldn't care less what SOME people like to associate homosexuality with. That generation is old and dying out anyway so we don't have long to wait.
 
If you have sex with another male, you're gay on some level. Having sex with a woman doesn't "Undo the homosexuality" nor does it make you a "special case". Gay sex is gay sex.


The entire bisexual movement is simply people who can't stomach that they're actually gay.
 
You can't just make up new definitions to words. Show me a single dictionary that clarifies sexuality, sexual attraction, sexual orientation, or anything related to be ADULT only. A few hundred years back they were marrying 12 year olds.

Sorry, but being attracted to only boys is suuuuper gay.


Two things:

1) The dictionary definitions aren't what is used by the medical/psychiatric community. For example:

Consensus now exists that pedophilia is a distinct sexual orientation, not something that develops in someone who is homosexual or heterosexual. Some people with pedophilic urges are also attracted to adults, and may act only on the latter urges. Because people with pedophilic urges tend to be attracted to children of a particular gender, they are sometimes described in the literature as heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual pedophiles. Roughly 9% to 40% of pedophiles are homosexual in their orientation toward children — but that is not the same as saying they are homosexual. Homosexual adults are no more likely than heterosexuals to abuse children.

-http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletters/Harvard_Mental_Health_Letter/2010/July/pessimism-about-pedophilia

2) One of the reasons for such a distinction is because pedophiles who seek out same sex children are more likely than not to be attracted to adult women (if they're attracted to adults at all). So how does that work, diagnostically? You can't really call them bisexual, because they're not attracted to adults of their own gender, and they're distinguishable from both heterosexuals and homosexuals because of the attachment to prepubescent individuals of the same sex. Clearly you're dealing with something fundamentally different from sexual attraction as it's experienced by healthy adults. Classifying same-sex attracted pedophiles in the same category as homosexuals simply ignores the medical realities of the situation.
 
Here we go again. You don't understand the difference between sexual orientation and sexual behavior.

male on male = gay. end of discussion

Sexual orientation is just a more postitive description for deviant behavior
 
Well at least we got to the root of it. I look at things plainly and logically. I don't twist word definitions to help my case.

I'm very pro-SSM, and I couldn't care less what SOME people like to associate homosexuality with. That generation is old and dying out anyway so we don't have long to wait.

This isn't being twisted to help my case. It is being used the way it is used for most people, instead of how it is exactly defined. It is being used the way psychology uses it, in reference to adults and adult relationships, because children are different than adults and pedophilia is different than sexuality.
 
Sorry. As soon as I saw Family Research Council, I dismissed everything that was said. Their credibility is FAR worse than Conservapedia's. They don't even know what sodomy is.

It's obvious that you are well read and or experienced in sodomy.

I have to admit, I'm not even a layman when it comes to same sex anal sodomy or male peter puffers.

I guess I'll go looking for a thread on heterosexual sex, now that's something I'm well experienced with.
 
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