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Rasmussen Poll Says Blacks Are More Racist Than Whites [W:358]

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What 18 year old black kid experienced institutional racism? This is the **** I am talking about. Think about it for a second....... He didn't experience it..... Thus its just as much a place for the old "sticks and stones" as any other ignorant ass word.

The rest.... because you said so.... .and because some statistics had conclusions drawn from them with no evidence.

Correlation does not equal causation.

not getting a job, because of his race, getting your head slammed to the floor just for walking somewhere .... living in a neighborhood that's been neglected for decades, and so on.
 
A black person's dollar has always been as valuable as a white person's dollar.

But in job discrimination, police brutality, all sorts of areas, the institutional racism lingers.

It's inevitable really, after so many decades of institutional racism, that it would continue, the old institutional racism left millions in poverty, that leads to stereotypes which leads to more racism which makes it harder to escape that poverty and so on.

And yet black and white people escape poverty often enough.

The fact that thousands of poor family blacks are moving out of poverty proves that the lack of success is personal, not institutional.
Same can be said for poor whites I reckon.


Anyhow... institutional racism depends on the institution...... I know of a particular police department that has gone through 3 sets of recruitment staff in 3 years because they refuse to continue to ignore ****ty backgrounds on the request of a chief who wants to make sure more blacks are hired regardless of the regulations......

Example: CMPD Chief: Mistakes Made Hiring Accused Officer | www.wsoctv.com
 
And yet black and white people escape poverty often enough.

The fact that thousands of poor family blacks are moving out of poverty proves that the lack of success is personal, not institutional.
Same can be said for poor whites I reckon.

Anyhow... institutional racism depends on the institution...... I know of a particular police department that has gone through 3 sets of recruitment staff in 3 years because they refuse to continue to ignore ****ty backgrounds on the request of a chief who wants to make sure more blacks are hired regardless of the regulations......

Example: CMPD Chief: Mistakes Made Hiring Accused Officer | www.wsoctv.com

That isn't the case at all, just because many poor black families can escape poverty DISPITE instituional racism (at a much lower rate, and blacks move back into poverty from the middle class at a much faster rate), doesn't disprove institutional racism, any more than a successfully black buisiness man in the south during segregation means that segregation had no effect.

As far as that specific example, I can find tons of counter examples, we have to look at the larger picture.
 
That isn't the case at all, just because many poor black families can escape poverty DISPITE instituional racism (at a much lower rate, and blacks move back into poverty from the middle class at a much faster rate), doesn't disprove institutional racism, any more than a successfully black buisiness man in the south during segregation means that segregation had no effect.

As far as that specific example, I can find tons of counter examples, we have to look at the larger picture.

And just how many of those not escaping do you think were held back completely by racism? With sufficient determination, obstacles can be overcome.
 
And just how many of those not escaping do you think were held back completely by racism? With sufficient determination, obstacles can be overcome.

Yeah, but that doesn't mean those obstacles should be there, or we should just ignore them ...
 
Yeah, but that doesn't mean those obstacles should be there, or we should just ignore them ...

I never said that. My point is not to make excuses. Are you going to give me an estimate on how many were overcome by so much racism that they couldn't set high goals and succeed if they actually gave it their best?
 
Which is why "Class-ism" if you will.... not RACISM.... is the problem in society.

I agree that "classism" is a significant problem in our society, but the intense racism of the past is why there is such a disproportionate percentage of minorities who are in the subjugated class than the percentage of whites in that class.

This is why so many people who are minorities in the subjugated class see it as racism. They look around and they primarily see other minorities like them dealing with the problems that they face, while the people they encounter who do not face those problems are primarily white people. This is why people can't just "get over it". They are still feeling it's effects today, even if things have improved, the cumulative effects of 400 years of systematic oppression are still evident. As I said earlier, 400 years of systematic oppression does not heal in a mere 40 odd years. It just can't.

think of it on smaller terms, rather than systemically. If someone beat you viciously every single day for 20 years, and suddenly they stopped beating you every day, do you think you'd be peachy ****ing keen just two years after the beatings stopped? Highly doubtful. You'd still be feeling the effects of those 20 years of beatings. It probably wouldn't be made right within your entire lifetime. And the effects of those beatings would trickle down to your children as well, because you'd probably continue reacting to them throughout your entire life even well after they stopped (presumably some serious anger). The beatings would have helped create the person you are. So your kids might have some righteous anger at the person who beat you. They'd have dealt with the effects of it themselves, which would in turn help define who they are, and that would then affect their children.

Overall, the effects would continue to get smaller over time, but each generation is still affected by the events that occurred in your life in some way shape or form.

Now magnify the **** out of that to an entire group of people who were subjected to similar treatment. How much would you trust the police in general if you knew that just 50 years before it was commonplace for people of your skin tone to be falsely imprisoned and even killed by police for no other reason that your skin tone? Maybe it happened to your own grandfather or great uncle. Maybe it was a friend of yours who had a grandfather who was killed/imprisoned/beaten. Let's ay you are living in that environment where you can't trust white people in uniforms to look out for you, what the **** are you going to teach your kids? I know I'd have taught my kids to run the other way as fast as they ****ing can when a badge came walking down the street if I was living in the Jim Crow era.

And there are still remnants of this going on today. They aren't common, but they are given a ****load of press time making them seem more common than they really are. Certainly enough to continually reinforce the basic survival skill taught to an entire group of people during the Jim Crow days.

In order to create the environment that will allow people to "get over it" we need to stop reinforcing the cultural survival skills learned in the days of systematic oppression. This doesn't mean excusing ****ty behavior, it means not engaging in ****ty behavior or excusing ****ty behavior. Look at the Rodney King thing. An objective observer would say "Regardless of what Rondey was doing, if five or six ***** ass cops need to beat him with night sticks to stop him, they are not fit for the ****ing badge. They are a disgrace to it." Instead, we had (and still have) cops who defend the ***** cops actions. If anything, the cops should have been the most pissed off about their colleagues actions because their actions make all cops look like cowardly bitches who aren't fit for the badge. Instead, those ******s got off and the thin blue line reinforced the idea that black people cannot and should not trust cops.

That's not 50 years ago, it's 20 years ago and less than 30 years after the era of it not being all that uncommon to hear about the lynching of black people coming to an "end" (meaning a 30-something year old at the time of th erodney king beating could easily have been the child of a dude who got lynched by racists). That's a reinforced lack of trust in the police right there. The parents of children form that time were people who were directly exposed to such blatant, systemic racism in some way. A 30 year old black person at that time was pretty much guaranteed to teach his/her kids not to trust the cops. Those kids could be what, 20, 25 now?

Add in the noticeable effects of classism and the effects of racism of the past on the demographics of today and then imagine yourself in their position. I know I wouldn't be "over it" if I was in their shoes. I certainly do not expect others to do what I know I could not.
 
I agree that "classism" is a significant problem in our society, but the intense racism of the past is why there is such a disproportionate percentage of minorities who are in the subjugated class than the percentage of whites in that class.
Which is something we will never make up for. So why focus on it? Im not focused on what happened in the past, there is nothing you, or I, or anyone else can do about it to change it. Society itself has changed much... albeit unfortunately it has changed in the way of trying to give minorities special hand ups, putting others in a disadvantageous position, and thus breeding more resentment towards minorities. Which is why I disagree with giving minorities special treatment in any way shape or form.


This is why so many people who are minorities in the subjugated class see it as racism. They look around and they primarily see other minorities like them dealing with the problems that they face, while the people they encounter who do not face those problems are primarily white people. This is why people can't just "get over it".
They see what they want to see.
Just like I see minorities getting picked for big positions due to their race.
They are still feeling it's effects today, even if things have improved, the cumulative effects of 400 years of systematic oppression are still evident. As I said earlier, 400 years of systematic oppression does not heal in a mere 40 odd years. It just can't.
It obviously can if so many have had the power to overcome it. Stop acting like a victim and you'll stop being one.


think of it on smaller terms, rather than systemically. If someone beat you viciously every single day for 20 years, and suddenly they stopped beating you every day, do you think you'd be peachy ****ing keen just two years after the beatings stopped? Highly doubtful.
No. But blacks of my generation didn't experience that metaphorical "beating" that you speak of at all. So its time to move forward.

And the effects of those beatings would trickle down to your children as well, because you'd probably continue reacting to them throughout your entire life even well after they stopped (presumably some serious anger). The beatings would have helped create the person you are. So your kids might have some righteous anger at the person who beat you. They'd have dealt with the effects of it themselves, which would in turn help define who they are, and that would then affect their children.
And that is their problem. Just like the resentment caused by government programs and practices that are created to give a "hand up" to minorities based just on their race will continue to the children of those who are maligned because of it.


Overall, the effects would continue to get smaller over time, but each generation is still affected by the events that occurred in your life in some way shape or form.

Now magnify the **** out of that to an entire group of people who were subjected to similar treatment. How much would you trust the police in general if you knew that just 50 years before it was commonplace for people of your skin tone to be falsely imprisoned and even killed by police for no other reason that your skin tone? Maybe it happened to your own grandfather or great uncle. Maybe it was a friend of yours who had a grandfather who was killed/imprisoned/beaten. Let's ay you are living in that environment where you can't trust white people in uniforms to look out for you, what the **** are you going to teach your kids? I know I'd have taught my kids to run the other way as fast as they ****ing can when a badge came walking down the street if I was living in the Jim Crow era.
That attitude isn't limited to minorities. Whites don't trust police just as often as blacks don't. It has something to do with the attitude of at least the youngest two generations who don't think they should bear the responsibility of their actions.
It is just worse with SOME minorities because they believe they have a card to play in that game.

Not to say that all law enforcement today are righteous either.



In order to create the environment that will allow people to "get over it" we need to stop reinforcing the cultural survival skills learned in the days of systematic oppression. This doesn't mean excusing ****ty behavior, it means not engaging in ****ty behavior or excusing ****ty behavior. Look at the Rodney King thing. An objective observer would say "Regardless of what Rondey was doing, if five or six ***** ass cops need to beat him with night sticks to stop him, they are not fit for the ****ing badge. They are a disgrace to it." Instead, we had (and still have) cops who defend the ***** cops actions. If anything, the cops should have been the most pissed off about their colleagues actions because their actions make all cops look like cowardly bitches who aren't fit for the badge. Instead, those ******s got off and the thin blue line reinforced the idea that black people cannot and should not trust cops.
I don't understand the details on HOW or WHY they got off on the charges so I can't comment to it.



Add in the noticeable effects of classism and the effects of racism of the past on the demographics of today and then imagine yourself in their position. I know I wouldn't be "over it" if I was in their shoes. I certainly do not expect others to do what I know I could not.
You know the best way to "get over it"???
Forget history..... judge society yourself based on your own experiences, and when **** doesn't go right for you... remember that **** doesn't go right for every white person either, stop blaming your race.
 
No. But blacks of my generation didn't experience that metaphorical "beating" that you speak of at all. So its time to move forward.

Yes they did and do. It's the cause of the economic disparity between races. They are poor in general because of those beatings.
 
Yes they did and do. It's the cause of the economic disparity between races. They are poor in general because of those beatings.

Yet some of their black peers are not......

Seems to me they are poor in general for the same reasons my family is poor in general.
 
Yet some of their black peers are not......

Seems to me they are poor in general for the same reasons my family is poor in general.

Was your family prevented from having opportunities for centuries based on their skin tone?
 
http://www.blacktoptens.com/?p=1489

Why is it the above list of African Americans were able to overcome these "disadvantages" where others cannot?

My thoughts: they were willing to work harder and take on more risk to make it. They didn't give up when others would have.

Something that seems to be a re occurring theme among millionaires of all races.
 
BlackTopTens.com » Blog Archive » Top 10 Rags To Riches Stories

Why is it the above list of African Americans were able to overcome these "disadvantages" where others cannot?

My thoughts: they were willing to work harder and take on more risk to make it. They didn't give up when others would have.

Something that seems to be a re occurring theme among millionaires of all races.

Only two out of those ten did it completely outside of the entertainment industry. Do you think the same top ten list of white people would be primarily actors, musicians, and media folks? I certainly don't.
 
Rasmussen’s Bizarre Poll About Racism | TPMDC

The right-leaning polling firm Rasmussen Reports dove into America’s views of race on Wednesday with a bizarre survey that concluded most of the nation thinks blacks are more likely to be racist than whites.

Going deeper into the poll’s crosstabs shows that 49 percent of Republicans believe “most black Americans (are) racist,” roughly the same percentage of Democrats (47 percent) who said the opposite. A third of Republicans said most black Americans are not racist, while only 11 percent of the GOP said that most white people are racist. Fifty-eight percent of respondents identified as “very conservative” said most blacks are racist, while a plurality of 44 percent “somewhat conservative” respondents said the same.

(snip)

A study conducted by Fordham University rated Rasmussen as one of the least accurate pollsters of the 2012 election cycle.

Do you agree?

Yes
No, Whites are the most racist
No, They are the same
I Don't Know

Well, this is Rasmussen. Aren't they still celebrating the election of John McCain?
 
Disclaimer: Speaking in the most general of terms. And speaking from only opinion.


I suppose I would have to have a more pinpointed definition of the term racist in this context.

Do more black people deny white people employment or advancement, than their white counterparts do? I don't think so.

In a man's heart of hearts, does the black man despise the white man, more than the white man despises the black man? I do think so.

I think, even though society is somewhat getting it right in regards to social sensitivity, regarding matters of race, I think that when a black man looks into the eye of a white man, a "white man," is the first thing he sees. Regardless of how positive the interaction may or may not be, the black man never loses site that he is dealing with a white men.

And I think that when a white man looks into the eye of a black man, if he does at all, the first thing he sees is a "black man," and never loses sight of that, as well.

But we have, as a society, been able to move beyond that for the most part. People have recognized the prejudices and have made conscientious efforts to address them in a positive way. But we still have a ways to go.

Times seem to be getting a little better. But I do worry about our African American brother's and sister's. The things they are doing to each other. Their particular culture seems to be veering towards the negative. Not many positive contributions considering their populous proportions.



What I am observing amongst the African American culture is the notion that racism can only pertain to white people. It's as if their thought patterns do not register that black people can be racist too.

"Do you consider the term, "Creepy-Ass Cracker," to be racist?
"No."
That's just the way your culture refer's to white people?"
"Yeah."

You makes some very excellent points here. However, I will add that in order for both sides to get over racism, we have to get to know the individual, not what the media portrays that individual to be. From my experience it seems that the whites that tends to be more racist are the ones that never knew a black man or woman. The got to know black people by what they see in movies and the 10 o'clock news. This is also true for the other side of the isle. The most racist blacks I know have never talk to a white man or woman.

Growing up in the inner city, I didn't know any whites except for my teachers at school. I always had this perception that all white were middle class and didn't have any financial burdens. I got this image from TV where you see the white TV families living in very nice neighborhoods in the valleys. Like white people travel to Narnia or something when they get off work and school.

In college I had white friends from the midwest who said that they have never met a black guy before and that I didn't act like what they thought I would act like. As the years went by we became really good friends and I think that is what is missing in our society.
 
You makes some very excellent points here. However, I will add that in order for both sides to get over racism, we have to get to know the individual, not what the media portrays that individual to be. From my experience it seems that the whites that tends to be more racist are the ones that never knew a black man or woman. The got to know black people by what they see in movies and the 10 o'clock news. This is also true for the other side of the isle. The most racist blacks I know have never talk to a white man or woman.

Growing up in the inner city, I didn't know any whites except for my teachers at school. I always had this perception that all white were middle class and didn't have any financial burdens. I got this image from TV where you see the white TV families living in very nice neighborhoods in the valleys. Like white people travel to Narnia or something when they get off work and school.

In college I had white friends from the midwest who said that they have never met a black guy before and that I didn't act like what they thought I would act like. As the years went by we became really good friends and I think that is what is missing in our society.

What's missing is understanding and tolerance. People just need to lighten up.

You make many good points as well. Great post.

Again, speaking in general terms.

When a white person sees an African American head bopping to a music they don't understand, pants nearly to the ground, they find it disqusting.

When a white person sees, on the local news, the nightly shootings on or near your local "MLK" Blvd., if you will, they formulate the opinion that African American people are not culturally meant to be mixed in a civilized white society.

When White America sees that 13.6 of the American population, (African Americans,) making up 40.2 percent of all prison inmates, their minds equate that to a criminal culture.

When white American teachers, working in our inner city schools, speak with their white counterparts, teaching in predominantly white schools, it helps them form the opinion that African America students, by comparison, lack the discipline and respect usually taught in White American homes. Not to mention the student's lack of ability to learn the curriculum as successfully as the white students.

The deal is, we have to be honest enough to admit that the two cultures are poles apart. It hurts me none when a young person, black or white, wears their pants down to their their knees. Why should it bother me then? (I remind myself of bell bottoms and mullets.)

Yes, I think we should all just accept each other for what we all are, as long as we do no harm to others. Regardless of what music we like or clothes we wear. Just accept that people are different. They have different values and standards.

Truth is, in my opinion, black people are more of a threat to other black people than they are to the white race. If anyone should be apprehensive about African Americans, it should be other African Americans.

I am very blessed to have several African American friends. Sure, they are different from me. But they accept me for who I am and I do the same, in turn.
 
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It's not as if Will
Smith or Ben Carson were to sit next to the average White American, that they would move because of racism.

It is a specific group within the race. The counter culture that live their lives and glorify a culture that is not conducive to success.

I think we have all seen the undercover shows where they send the "Thuggish" looking African American onto a bus, and even the other African Americans grip their purses a little tighter and take on a more defensive posture.

It is not the color of their skin but the image they present.

You think people don't do the same when their around Hells Angels or a group of Wannabe Nazis?
 
It's not as if Will
Smith or Ben Carson were to sit next to the average White American, that they would move because of racism.

It is a specific group within the race. The counter culture that live their lives and glorify a culture that is not conducive to success.

I think we have all seen the undercover shows where they send the "Thuggish" looking African American onto a bus, and even the other African Americans grip their purses a little tighter and take on a more defensive posture.

It is not the color of their skin but the image they present.

You think people don't do the same when their around Hells Angels or a group of Wannabe Nazis?

Another good point.

Due to the culture surrounding certain styles, walking around with saggy ass pants, long white t shirt with faux gold plated teeth and nasty ass hair and swearing every 5 seconds is about the equivalent of walking around with a ****ing Prison jumpsuit on.

Would anyone blame another person for having raised concern about their safety if someone was walking around in a Prison jumpsuit complete with leg shackles?
 
A black person's dollar has always been as valuable as a white person's dollar.

But in job discrimination, police brutality, all sorts of areas, the institutional racism lingers.

It's inevitable really, after so many decades of institutional racism, that it would continue, the old institutional racism left millions in poverty, that leads to stereotypes which leads to more racism which makes it harder to escape that poverty and so on.

the following three things are most likely to cause you to be in poverty

1) having children before you are married

2) dropping out of high school

3) engaging in criminal behavior

how does "racism" have anything to do with the first two? I can understand why some will claim economic oppression causes many blacks to turn to drug dealing (See Michelle Alexander's The New Jim Crow) but the fact that over 75% of black children are born out of marriage is not "whitey's fault"
 
Was your family prevented from having opportunities for centuries based on their skin tone?

If Africa, as a continent is basically an area of ZERO INTELLECTUAL ACCOMPLISHMENT, i.e, until Historical Recency none of the African nations had a written language, or a widely disseminated one except English or French......then the economic opportunities of the inheritors of that "culture" are correctly stigmatized in a general sort of way.
 
Why do you assume theirs were?

Blacks claim they were. And, why not ...... they are inheritors of Africa's NONEXISTENT culture, i.e. Culture of any value.
 
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