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Rasmussen Poll Says Blacks Are More Racist Than Whites [W:358]

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Etoner said:
I would fully support the death penalty if it wasn't for all those poor souls on Death Row or in prison for life who have been found not guilty by the Innocence Project.

One man being executed for a murder he did not commit is too many.
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I think the more the courts start relying on DNA evidence the less we'll see of innocent people on death row...or at least I hope so. I don't like the death penalty but I understand why some of the victim's families often do.
 
apdst said:
No, only a few. That's more Hollywood than history.

Fact is, with more people totin' guns and public executions, the crime rate was significantly lower.
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After the Civil War and all during reconstruction there was a lot of crime and more often than not, the public sympathized more with the criminals, than they did the law.
 
Mathematician said:
I know you'll disagree, but I look at it with mathematical logic. It's better to have one innocent wrongfully convicted than to let a murderer go free and they kill more than one innocent life, because it's a smaller loss. Of course, practically speaking, with the forensic science, technological surveillance and other improvements, the chances of getting wrongfully convicted of a major felony are diminishing. Those released for wrongful conviction were typically convicted prior to things like quality DNA matching.
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No one is talking about letting murderers go free. We're talking about life in prison.

As long as we keep finding people not guilty of murder decades after their conviction, the Death Penalty will be morally suspect.
 
Mathematician said:
Ask Turtle, but I'm fine with all violent felons suffering that fate.
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I have no problem with people shooting violent felons in the act of attacking innocents. If you are an illegal (crime one) you commit a felony (Crime two) and then are deported and come back (crime three) yeah waste them. They obviously didn't learn the first or second time.
 
Moot said:
They had gun regulations in the old west, too. A lot of towns required you to turn in your guns at the sheriffs office before entering town and you could pick em up on your way out.
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that was a local ordinance. cities have the right to pass laws as long as it didn't violate the state constitution or preemption laws.
 
TurtleDude said:
that was a local ordinance. cities have the right to pass laws as long as it didn't violate the state constitution or preemption laws.
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You mean like in Chicago or DC?
 
Mathematician said:
I know you'll disagree, but I look at it with mathematical logic. It's better to have one innocent wrongfully convicted than to let a murderer go free and they kill more than one innocent life, because it's a smaller loss. Of course, practically speaking, with the forensic science, technological surveillance and other improvements, the chances of getting wrongfully convicted of a major felony are diminishing. Those released for wrongful conviction were typically convicted prior to things like quality DNA matching.
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As long as you're not the innocent.
 
TurtleDude said:
that was a local ordinance. cities have the right to pass laws as long as it didn't violate the state constitution or preemption laws.
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Quite right,...so a lot of towns and cities passed gun control laws which helped to reduce gun violence and crime and hardly anyone ever mentioned anything about second amendment rights in those days...nary a peep.

Wyatt Earp is famous for trying to enforce gun regulations.....

And one fact is usually ignored: Back then, Tombstone had far stricter gun control than it does today. In fact, the American West's most infamous gun battle erupted when the marshal tried to enforce a local ordinance that barred carrying firearms in public. A judge had fined one of the victims $25 earlier that day for packing a pistol.

"You could wear your gun into town, but you had to check it at the sheriff's office or the Grand Hotel, and you couldn't pick it up again until you were leaving town," said Bob Boze Bell, executive editor of True West Magazine, which celebrates the Old West. "It was an effort to control the violence."...read.....

Gun laws were tougher in old Tombstone - Los Angeles Times
 
Moot said:
Quite right,...so a lot of towns and cities passed gun control laws which helped to reduce gun violence and crime and hardly anyone ever mentioned anything about second amendment rights in those days...nary a peep.

Wyatt Earp is famous for trying to enforce gun regulations.....

And one fact is usually ignored: Back then, Tombstone had far stricter gun control than it does today. In fact, the American West's most infamous gun battle erupted when the marshal tried to enforce a local ordinance that barred carrying firearms in public. A judge had fined one of the victims $25 earlier that day for packing a pistol.

"You could wear your gun into town, but you had to check it at the sheriff's office or the Grand Hotel, and you couldn't pick it up again until you were leaving town," said Bob Boze Bell, executive editor of True West Magazine, which celebrates the Old West. "It was an effort to control the violence."...read.....

Gun laws were tougher in old Tombstone - Los Angeles Times
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that's the hollywood version. Earp and his brothers were one gang, the guys who lost were another. and you cannot prove your silly claim that it actually made anyplace safer. The gang that ran things didn't want armed competition.
 
Good.
Moot said:
Thats irrelevant since there hasn't been any public executions in the US in my lifetime at least not that I'm aware of. But no, I wouldn't take them because I probably wouldn't go myself.
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Moot said:
After the Civil War and all during reconstruction there was a lot of crime and more often than not, the public sympathized more with the criminals, than they did the law.
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I'm not sure what your point is, but it doesn't change the fact of what I've already posted.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
This is my thing. I see a lot of people (read: white people) in this thread and others talking about how it's time to "move on" or how racial tension needs to be decreased. And yet, none of their behavior facilitates moving on or decreasing tension. Telling black people to "get over it" or dismissing their perspectives as "race baiting" does nothing to help anybody "move forward" and it escalates, rather than weakens, racial tension. With that in mind, the people whose priority is "moving forward" and decreasing racial tension should examine their own behavior and do whatever they can to accomplish those goals. Otherwise, it just comes across as people wanting blacks to shut up and take it.
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The only reason people still play the race card is because they know if they use it, they'll get their way. Take away race card privilege, and the problem will eventually correct itself.
 
apdst said:
I'm not sure what your point is, but it doesn't change the fact of what I've already posted.
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You didn't post any facts, only assertions.
 
TurtleDude said:
that's the hollywood version. Earp and his brothers were one gang, the guys who lost were another. and you cannot prove your silly claim that it actually made anyplace safer. The gang that ran things didn't want armed competition.
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Maybe, but maybe not.

But the gun reforms made Australia a safer place, with fewer homicides and suicides, and both Howard and Fischer are now urging U.S. President Barack Obama to take his gun control campaign to the people, just as they did, to gain a consensus.

"I knew that I had to use the authority of my office to curb the possession and use of the type of weapons that killed 35 innocent people. I also knew it wouldn't be easy," Howard wrote in the New York Times earlier this year.

"Penalizing decent, law-abiding citizens because of the criminal behavior of others seemed unfair...I understood their misgivings. Yet I felt there was no alternative," wrote Howard, adding he hoped his example would contribute constructively to the U.S. gun debate.

Australia's gun controls a political template for the U.S. | Reuters



Things aren't as clear as either side wants to make it.
 
mak2 said:
That is another good reason. But I think big reason is the government killing people cheapens the value of life.
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I think someone already stated my opinion on this issue:

It is EXTREMELY RARE, especially with the advance of forensic expertise, and liberal, bleeding hearts PC, that an innocent man gets the Death Penalty. I'd say, almost an impossibility these days.

That being said, I am 100% in favour, considering the described info regarding recent history, that executing a person found guilty of first degree murder should be mandatory within a month, or so following sentencing .....providing all equipment, etc., is available.

Please note: lax treatment and laws, and "legal"obstruction by the liberals and bleeding hearts result in murderers committing more murders.
 
TurtleDude said:
divide and conquer is a common tactic of those who want the government to have more and more control of the citizens

the late great David Broder (hardly a "conservative") noted that when the wall came down, the hard left in America turned their energies from worshipping the deceased soviet union to trying to "balkanize" america by pushing group rights and group guilt in order to divide us into several warring camps
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Politics and propaganda only function to divide people within each racial community. It certainly isn't threatening to divide the races since they were never united in the first place.
 
SapphireSpire said:
Politics and propaganda only function to divide people within each racial community. It certainly isn't threatening to divide the races since they were never united in the first place.
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opinion noted, not shared in its entirety. I have seen different (in terms of race) people united. Union members, NRA members, religious groups
 
TurtleDude said:
opinion noted, not shared in its entirety. I have seen different (in terms of race) people united. Union members, NRA members, religious groups
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What I mean by 'united' is fully integrated. People of different race are associated, not united. Even interracial marriages are extremely precarious.
 
SapphireSpire said:
What I mean by 'united' is fully integrated. People of different race are associated, not united. Even interracial marriages are extremely precarious.
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some are some are not
 
TurtleDude said:
some are some are not
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Bravo! For Rasmussen to even do such a poll is in my opinion racist. It's taking entire groups of mostly decent people and asking which is the most immoral. Geeez. Still trying to get my mind around why in the heck...

Then he leaves out other ethnic groups and reduces the world down to just 2 races, black and white, something Ive noticed is common with people who have a problem with a particular race; theirs and the one they have a problem with. I find it funny that racists usually never remember Hispanics, Arabs, Jews, Orientals, Indians, etc. even exist. Just blacks and whites.
 
Talking bout a joke,ROTFLMFAO!!!! WORD!
 
Mathematician said:
You say it's class and not race or ethnicity. Among the actions I mentioned, please name one that you see common among lower-class whites or Chinese. The only other you'll find a reasonable number of is probably Mexicans.
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They arn't the EXACT, sames ones, but similar, terrible language, trashy clothes, getting in fights, whatever, talking loudly, getting drunk .... Go to a poor white neighborhood (trailor park or whatever), or a chinatown ghetto.

It definately is class based.
 
HoongLoong said:
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RGacky 3, Your conclusion might have been valid some 70 years ago, but since the overwhelming affect of Affirmative Actions policies coming into fruition, the blacks have an OUTRAGEOUS advantage over whites, or even non-blacks in ALL the spheres where RACIAL ISSUES are involved. To conclude otherwise is simply BIZZARE. Check out ANY local, state, or National election that contradicts me......or any corporation employment at any level.
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That's total nonsense.

There is no affermative action in elections, a blac person is one person one vote, and so is a white person. But what DOES happen in elections is jerry mandering to make sure a black persons vote counts less, or making sure it's harder for the urban pooor to vote.

As for a s corporate employment, I can find statistics if you want.
 
Caine said:
And my point is that in this day and age.... not 50 years ago.... not 150 years ago...... I see no evidence of institutional racism.

Because a black person's dollar is just as valuable as a white person's dollar.

Which is why "Class-ism" if you will.... not RACISM.... is the problem in society.
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A black person's dollar has always been as valuable as a white person's dollar.

But in job discrimination, police brutality, all sorts of areas, the institutional racism lingers.

It's inevitable really, after so many decades of institutional racism, that it would continue, the old institutional racism left millions in poverty, that leads to stereotypes which leads to more racism which makes it harder to escape that poverty and so on.
 
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