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Rasmussen Poll Says Blacks Are More Racist Than Whites [W:358]

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Caine said:
You seen anybody who lived through slavery still alive today?

Hmm? Eh?? No???

Didn't think so.

No black person today has the right to be angry with a white person due to slavery. So lets go ahead and drop that ignorant ass issue.
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That wasn't my point ... my point was to show the difference between institutional racism and personal racism, it's analagous to today because
1. segregation wasn't that far back.
2. slavery has generational effects.
3. you still have institutional racism in buisiness and the police.

I'd like to see you support that.

My support that they don't racially favor whites is Affirmative Action and financial aid programs for black business owners.
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They've done studies on chances of getting hiring based on if your name sounds black, or your skin color, the chances of you being hassled by the police and so on, black people come out on the bottom.

What financial aid programs for black buisiness owners ....?
Also Affermative Action isn't really that big of a thing, I'd say not being able to get a job dispite being qualified, and getting your head smashed against the floor is bigger.

If I'm a black business owner and I decide to only hire blacks because I don't trust whites, yet I don't HATE white people, in fact I may have white friends. Yet a white person who doesn't have a job because of people like me goes on to HATE black people.
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Absolutely, that would be instittuional racism .... and perhaps that does happen, maybe in Zimbabwe or something, but in the US, most of the wealthy and most of the buisiness owners are white.

Which I have seen no proof of. Only statistics with a conclusion drawn from them but absolutely no explanation to why the conclusion of racism was drawn.
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wait ... what proof would you accept if you don't accpet statistics?

Yes. Institutions and power dynamics.. Black President, Affirmative Action, Special programs to assist with black business owners, etc, etc, etc.
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What affermative action ... what special programs for black buisiness owners?

As far as the black president ... since when has the president had any real autonomy? So what ....?

Im not saying the "institution" is set up against the white man, but the only disadvantage I see to black folks is the same one white folks have, the level of poverty of wealth they were born into, and their individual level of motivation to get out of that situation.
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That isn't the case at all.

1. All other things being equal you are more likely to be hired if you are white.
2. All other rhings being equal you are more likely to be hassled by police if you are black.
3. All other things being equal you are more likely to get a senior position if you are white.

Now I think that Affermative action should be class not race based, but you can't ignore the facts.

My point here is that individual racism isn't important, institutional racism is. So the statement "more blacks are racist than whites" means nothing, we have to look at this from a materialist standpoint.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
This is an important point. Racism is often talked about now almost exclusively as a matter of an individual problem. It's also talked about rather simplistically as something that is only evident when people utter certain racial slurs or belong to groups like the KKK. The most significant form of racism is the kind that dominates institutions - the kind that affects people on a large, society-wide scale. No such type of racism exists against white people. Racism against white Americans - if it exists - would be based on an individual, rather than structural, level.
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Exactly, if a white person is called a cracker, it doesn't really effect their life that much, not getting a job due to your race, or getting harrassed by police does.

That's why I get annoyed when celebrities say a racial slur and people make a HUGE deal out of it ... it's not a huge deal, that person is just a dick, whats new, a celebrity is a dick ... people that care about racism should be looking at stop and frisk not Dog the bounty hunter ....
 
pbrauer said:
Rasmussen’s Bizarre Poll About Racism | TPMDC

The right-leaning polling firm Rasmussen Reports dove into America’s views of race on Wednesday with a bizarre survey that concluded most of the nation thinks blacks are more likely to be racist than whites.

Going deeper into the poll’s crosstabs shows that 49 percent of Republicans believe “most black Americans (are) racist,” roughly the same percentage of Democrats (47 percent) who said the opposite. A third of Republicans said most black Americans are not racist, while only 11 percent of the GOP said that most white people are racist. Fifty-eight percent of respondents identified as “very conservative” said most blacks are racist, while a plurality of 44 percent “somewhat conservative” respondents said the same.

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A study conducted by Fordham University rated Rasmussen as one of the least accurate pollsters of the 2012 election cycle.
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Do you agree?

Yes
No, Whites are the most racist
No, They are the same
I Don't Know
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Fordham Univ is a blatantly Liberal institution and the info from its polls should be treated accordingly.

Also, your original unedited (?) post made your poll faulty by asking 2 opposing questions which makes any response invalid.

But the following are interchanges from a another thread that are extremely pertinent and conclusively determines that any opinion that blacks are not overwhelming racist is outrageously FALSE:

Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
As much as I detest Morsi, he was elected in a democratic election.

MY RESPONSE:
WTF is wrong with people like you ?!?!?
Hitler was elected "democratically" !!!!! Does that mean you were/are going to defend that butthole because he was elected "democratically" ?!?!?!?
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Examples of leaders who were not democratically elected

Godwin's Law

That, however, is neither here nor there. Obama was also democratically elected, and he is also an abuser of the law and a generally gawdawful president. If someone in the military were to attempt to use the Tea Party as an excuse to launch a coup, however, I would find myself rapidly in (quite possibly) armed opposition to that group.

You seem to be confusing "representative government" with the winner of a particular election.

MY RESPONSE:

Your libber verbiage is transparent. One can always claim EVERY election is rigged because of one's own personal bias.

Using the same kind of bullpoop Obummer was elected by a 95% plus black vote, and by non-black voters consumed with a faulty guilt complex re blacks which makes the Obummer election clearly a RACIST election.
 
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shrubnose said:
According to the studies that I have read (And I have read lots of them.) Almost everyone on this planet is 'racist to some extent.
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Because there is this incredibly stupid vicious cycle taking place of "I hate you because you hate me'"
 
pbrauer said:
Rasmussen’s Bizarre Poll About Racism | TPMDC

The right-leaning polling firm Rasmussen Reports dove into America’s views of race on Wednesday with a bizarre survey that concluded most of the nation thinks blacks are more likely to be racist than whites.

Going deeper into the poll’s crosstabs shows that 49 percent of Republicans believe “most black Americans (are) racist,” roughly the same percentage of Democrats (47 percent) who said the opposite. A third of Republicans said most black Americans are not racist, while only 11 percent of the GOP said that most white people are racist. Fifty-eight percent of respondents identified as “very conservative” said most blacks are racist, while a plurality of 44 percent “somewhat conservative” respondents said the same.

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A study conducted by Fordham University rated Rasmussen as one of the least accurate pollsters of the 2012 election cycle.
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Do you agree?

Yes
No, Whites are the most racist
No, They are the same
I Don't Know
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The study is "More Americans View Blacks As Racist Than Whites, Hispanics" not "Rasmussen says blacks are more racist than whites".Your thread title and article falsely gives the impression that Rasmussen asked people what they think about other races.


More Americans View Blacks As Racist Than Whites, Hispanics - Rasmussen Reports™
 
RGacky3 said:
Exactly, if a white person is called a cracker, it doesn't really effect their life that much, not getting a job due to your race, or getting harrassed by police does.
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You're right, being called a cracker doesn't really effect a white person's life, just like how being called a nigger doesn't really effect a black person's. The old "sticks and stones" saying applies to everyone. However, respect is a two-way street.

About this "not getting a job due to your race", blacks need to look a little closer at their behavior. From using "nigga", wearing pants to show your *** to the world, talking loudly, etc., these are actions which are commonly (and reasonably) perceived as disrespectful to others. Therefore, that type of behavior will cost one a job opportunity. These are clearly choices, not determined by race. Since blacks more commonly act as I described, disdain for those ill-mannered is often mislabeled as racism. Excluding rap icons, look at the difference in behavior of those blacks such as Oprah, Dr. Carson, Allen West and Obama versus the stereotype. Respect and hard work will get you where you want to go. Disrespect will only hold you back, and that's what's going on with many blacks, because very few will see you as worthy of being promoted.
 
Mathematician said:
You're right, being called a cracker doesn't really effect a white person's life, just like how being called a nigger doesn't really effect a black person's. The old "sticks and stones" saying applies to everyone. However, respect is a two-way street.

About this "not getting a job due to your race", blacks need to look a little closer at their behavior. From using "nigga", wearing pants to show your *** to the world, talking loudly, etc., these are actions which are commonly (and reasonably) perceived as disrespectful to others. Therefore, that type of behavior will cost one a job opportunity. These are clearly choices, not determined by race. Since blacks more commonly act as I described, disdain for those ill-mannered is often mislabeled as racism. Excluding rap icons, look at the difference in behavior of those blacks such as Oprah, Dr. Carson, Allen West and Obama versus the stereotype. Respect and hard work will get you where you want to go. Disrespect will only hold you back, and that's what's going on with many blacks, because very few will see you as worthy of being promoted.
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There is a difference, a black person has the history of institutional racism, so when a white person says "nigger" to a black person its in that context, you have no context whe the word "cracker."

The behavior you're talking about has class roots, not race, similar behavior is seen amung poor whites, chinese, hispanics and so on. That being said, I'm saying being an INDIVIDUAL black person, whether or not you're acting in the way you're describing, will be less likely to be hired than a black person, equally qualified.

I'm not saying it's impossible for a black person to get ahead, but for you're average individual black person, all things being equal, is on average giong to be discriminated against more than a white person.
 
Smeagol said:
A very good observation. I think the problem with black American achievement (generalizing) is rooted in the home life of many black families. Post civil rights era, efforts were made to bring about immediate economic relief to people who had been deprived of vocational and educational equality for centuries. Liberals were happy to simply offer unconditional financial compensation. Conservatives insisted if there was an able bodied man in the house, no way, despite having been deprived of the tools to equally compete for economic opportunities. The compromise was assistance to poor families but if we find a dad in the house when we show up unannounced all assistance ends immediately. This had the effect of destroying the traditional family unit model; mom, dad, kids; in poorer homes that due to institutional discrimination for centuries were disproportionality black. The effects of these efforts altered the culture of the black community and today kids growing up in single parent homes are the new normal, who in turn grow up to pattern their lives after the only model for family life they ever lived even though the aggressive measures to make sure no father is in the home as a condition of eating are no longer practiced. The government destruction of the family driven by conservative anti-fraud witch-hunt campaigns were something immigrant families, although economically disadvantaged, have not had perpetuated upon them.
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there is much truth in that though I find more of the blame with the unconditional handouts
 
nota bene said:
Lots of this is based on the money. Where does Oprah live?
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at the two Ivy schools I attended, blacks engaged in self segregation constantly. all black fraternities at one (God Help a white fraternity who excluded blacks), blacks sitting together in lunch rooms etc
 
Racism in America will never truly lessen or even disappear as long as liberals and other special interest groups consider it a method and mode of access to attaining and retaining power.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Racism in America will never truly lessen or even disappear as long as liberals and other special interest groups consider it a method and mode of access to attaining and retaining power.
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jamesrage said:
The study is "More Americans View Blacks As Racist Than Whites, Hispanics" not "Rasmussen says blacks are more racist than whites".Your thread title and article falsely gives the impression that Rasmussen asked people what they think about other races.


More Americans View Blacks As Racist Than Whites, Hispanics - Rasmussen Reports™
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Fordham University is an outrageously blatant liberal institution and its information and credibility should be viewed accordingly.
 
If truly random 400 people is more than adequate. If self selected the N doesn't matter.
ChrisL said:
Out of those 200 black and 200 white people polled, both groups agreed that anti-black racism has decreased. Interesting, small sample though.
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RGacky3 said:
There is a difference, a black person has the history of institutional racism, so when a white person says "nigger" to a black person its in that context, you have no context whe the word "cracker."

The behavior you're talking about has class roots, not race, similar behavior is seen amung poor whites, chinese, hispanics and so on. That being said, I'm saying being an INDIVIDUAL black person, whether or not you're acting in the way you're describing, will be less likely to be hired than a black person, equally qualified.

I'm not saying it's impossible for a black person to get ahead, but for you're average individual black person, all things being equal, is on average giong to be discriminated against more than a white person.
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You say it's class and not race or ethnicity. Among the actions I mentioned, please name one that you see common among lower-class whites or Chinese. The only other you'll find a reasonable number of is probably Mexicans.
 
RGacky3 said:
There is a difference, a black person has the history of institutional racism, so when a white person says "nigger" to a black person its in that context, you have no context whe the word "cracker."

The behavior you're talking about has class roots, not race, similar behavior is seen amung poor whites, chinese, hispanics and so on. That being said, I'm saying being an INDIVIDUAL black person, whether or not you're acting in the way you're describing, will be less likely to be hired than a black person, equally qualified.

I'm not saying it's impossible for a black person to get ahead, but for you're average individual black person, all things being equal, is on average giong to be discriminated against more than a white person.
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Well, there is certainly cultural groups that are defined along racial and ethnic lines, and certainly certain cultural behaviors, mode of actions, and learned responses can be negative. In fact the dichotomy between huey and riley on the boondocks is largely dependent on exploring and critiquing modern urban culture and the youth that adopt it.
 
RGacky3 said:
There is a difference, a black person has the history of institutional racism, so when a white person says "nigger" to a black person its in that context, you have no context whe the word "cracker."

The behavior you're talking about has class roots, not race, similar behavior is seen amung poor whites, chinese, hispanics and so on. That being said, I'm saying being an INDIVIDUAL black person, whether or not you're acting in the way you're describing, will be less likely to be hired than a black person, equally qualified.

I'm not saying it's impossible for a black person to get ahead, but for you're average individual black person, all things being equal, is on average giong to be discriminated against more than a white person.
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RGacky 3, Your conclusion might have been valid some 70 years ago, but since the overwhelming affect of Affirmative Actions policies coming into fruition, the blacks have an OUTRAGEOUS advantage over whites, or even non-blacks in ALL the spheres where RACIAL ISSUES are involved. To conclude otherwise is simply BIZZARE. Check out ANY local, state, or National election that contradicts me......or any corporation employment at any level.
 
Too many people here, mostly leftists, are acting like it's not offensive if it's not offensive to them. Whether it's devil's advocate or white race apology, it's logical fallacy at its finest.
 
PirateMk1 said:
Unfortunately the statistics don't show the whole picture. There are complications that are not detailed in the data collected or you showed. If you find data on the transportation industry in California, you find Hispanics are disproportionally more prevalent in the AG transport for harvest operations, by far. This is because as I said before there is a quasi monopoly pushing other races out. Only those business in business longer than the Hispanic business's can still get work due to their existing relationship with the shippers and farmers.
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Again, there are likely reasons. They are likely being taken advantage of rather than taking advantage.
 
Caine said:
Okay..... So your isolated experiences in a small town in backwoods Mississippi apply to all of the world?

I don't think so scooter.
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Definitely applies to the part where most of the crackers live
 
HoongLoong said:
Have you visited this planet lately ???

YES !!!! Blacks vote for the Democtratic Party OVERWHELMINGLY .....IN EVERY ELECTION !!!
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I was commenting to how you claimed that blacks only vote for blacks... unless they are republican..... which just means blacks only vote for democrats..... You went a long way to say the obvious.
 
RGacky3 said:
My point here is that individual racism isn't important, institutional racism is. So the statement "more blacks are racist than whites" means nothing, we have to look at this from a materialist standpoint.
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And my point is that in this day and age.... not 50 years ago.... not 150 years ago...... I see no evidence of institutional racism.

Because a black person's dollar is just as valuable as a white person's dollar.


Which is why "Class-ism" if you will.... not RACISM.... is the problem in society.
 
Mathematician said:
Because there is this incredibly stupid vicious cycle taking place of "I hate you because you hate me'"
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Hard not to hate someone when they beat your face into the ground because they hate you.

Or drag you from your vehicle and beat you down....

Or stage mob attacks at the state fair looking for people of a different race/ethnicity/skin color to beat down for no other reason than that.
 
Tucker Case said:


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Don't give a **** about historical context.

How long will ****ty behavior be excused due to a past that none of those acting ****ty lived through?


Time to move.... FORWARD!
 
RGacky3 said:
There is a difference, a black person has the history of institutional racism, so when a white person says "nigger" to a black person its in that context, you have no context whe the word "cracker."

The behavior you're talking about has class roots, not race, similar behavior is seen amung poor whites, chinese, hispanics and so on. That being said, I'm saying being an INDIVIDUAL black person, whether or not you're acting in the way you're describing, will be less likely to be hired than a black person, equally qualified.

I'm not saying it's impossible for a black person to get ahead, but for you're average individual black person, all things being equal, is on average giong to be discriminated against more than a white person.
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What 18 year old black kid experienced institutional racism? This is the **** I am talking about. Think about it for a second....... He didn't experience it..... Thus its just as much a place for the old "sticks and stones" as any other ignorant ass word.

The rest.... because you said so.... .and because some statistics had conclusions drawn from them with no evidence.

Correlation does not equal causation.
 
Boo Radley said:
Again, there are likely reasons. They are likely being taken advantage of rather than taking advantage.
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I don't find that to be the case. AG transport is quite lucrative, and given prefatory treatment by the state to boot.
 
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