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Rasmussen Poll Says Blacks Are More Racist Than Whites [W:358]

Do you agree?


  • Total voters
    59
Well, my view is based on extensive research in addition to experience. What is yours based on? Anecdotes? I take my informed view any day of the week.

You don't seem to be very well informed at all though. I think you should get out and talk to some white people. Maybe then you will like them more. Most white people are not racists.

How sad that you think this view is well-informed. Seriously.
 
Then don't.
Okay. /shrug

It is my concern, and I will keep posting about it and saying how I feel about the issue.
Well, no, it's not your concern. And sure, keep posting on the issue. It's a free country. Everyone is allowed to be as wildly misinformed as they want to be.

Yes, they do need to get over it. It is not helping themselves nor anyone else. It is extremely harmful. That is what the real issue is.
The irony of you saying that black people need to get over racial issues that you are perpetuating by telling them - as a white person - how to feel is hilarious.

Here is what you said.
I know what I said. The "victim mentality" you were talking about is a separate issue from the sense of inferiority that I was talking about.
 
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You have to have the power to abuse. Talking **** doesn't qualify. Nor does doing what many young people do regardless of race.

So you are telling me that despite my not having any real power, somehow you put a person and lilly white skin and they become he man screaming I HAAAAVEE THE POWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

I don't ****in' think so scooter.

This theory is retahded.
 
You don't seem to be very well informed at all though. I think you should get out and talk to some white people. Maybe then you will like them more. Most white people are not racists.

How sad that you think this view is well-informed. Seriously.
It's unsurprising that you would minimize the issues I'm presenting as a matter of me merely disliking white people. That you are taking my comments that way makes me think your personalizing this issue a great deal while also making assumptions about my race that allow to personalize it in such a manner. "Talk to some white people" is an interesting suggestion in light of my life, but you know nothing about that life so I wouldn't expect you to get that.

In any case, since you question how uninformed I am, can you provide me with some of the research that you have based your conclusions on? Like I said, I'm very well read in this topic and you seem to just be basing your comments on anecdotes. In fact, it is very telling that your suggestion was not for me to do more research, but for me to "meet people" which, again, would just get me more useless anecdotes. So again, can you show me the research that you think will help me be more informed?
 
why does a group that was subjected to genocide and was persecuted for centuries and make up 2% of our nation have more than 40% representation on the US Supreme court, have huge overrepresentation at the top schools, the senate, medicine and law? why have the children of BOAT PEOPLE produced more Ivy Phi Beta Kappas and US SErvice academy valedictorians in the 30 years they have been here than blacks have in over a century?

it might be due to many reasons but I also note AFRICANS who come to this country do far better than american blacks even though its hard to fathom that a racist white is going to distinquish between a guy from Nigeria vs someone whose great great great grandparents came from there

A very good observation. I think the problem with black American achievement (generalizing) is rooted in the home life of many black families. Post civil rights era, efforts were made to bring about immediate economic relief to people who had been deprived of vocational and educational equality for centuries. Liberals were happy to simply offer unconditional financial compensation. Conservatives insisted if there was an able bodied man in the house, no way, despite having been deprived of the tools to equally compete for economic opportunities. The compromise was assistance to poor families but if we find a dad in the house when we show up unannounced all assistance ends immediately. This had the effect of destroying the traditional family unit model; mom, dad, kids; in poorer homes that due to institutional discrimination for centuries were disproportionality black. The effects of these efforts altered the culture of the black community and today kids growing up in single parent homes are the new normal, who in turn grow up to pattern their lives after the only model for family life they ever lived even though the aggressive measures to make sure no father is in the home as a condition of eating are no longer practiced. The government destruction of the family driven by conservative anti-fraud witch-hunt campaigns were something immigrant families, although economically disadvantaged, have not had perpetuated upon them.
 
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It's late. I'm tired. You're boring me. Maybe I'll come back tomorrow. Good night.
 
It's unsurprising that you would minimize the issues I'm presenting as a matter of me merely disliking white people. That you are taking my comments that way makes me think your personalizing this issue a great deal. "Talk to some white people" is an interesting suggestion in light of my life, but you know nothing about that life so I wouldn't expect you to get that.

Well, you are insinuating that white people are racists. You have said before that you don't like racists, so yes, I can put 2 and 2 together.

In any case, since you question how uninformed I am, can you provide me with some of the research that you have based your conclusions on? Like I said, I'm very well read in this topic and you seem to just be basing your comments on anecdotes. In fact, it is very telling that your suggestion was not for me to do more research, but for me to "meet people" which, again, would just get me more useless anecdotes. So again, can you show me the research that you think will help me be more informed?

Of course meeting people is how you form opinions of people. Do you always form your opinions of people through studies that may or may not be biased? I've read plenty of material about racism, history, slavery, etc. throughout school, throughout college and also having been on DP and other debate sites. Sure I can gather some materials together. I'd also like for you to present your extensive research. Have you even finished college yet?
 
Racism is bad, no matter who does it. I truly have not read all the posts but I wonder why a right wing poll would pick this topic.
 
Racism is bad, no matter who does it. I truly have not read all the posts but I wonder why a right wing poll would pick this topic.

Most likely due to how accepting everyone was that "Creepy Ass Cracker" is just normal terminology for a strange man of non-african descent in the black community.

The fact there seems to be absolutely no shame or hiding use of these terms by blacks and nobody in the media seems to give a ****.
 
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay then.

I would know. I live in a place like that. Grew up in it.

Next to none of my friends growing up were white. Most of my classmates weren't. And none of them so much as breathed on me wrong.
 
I would know. I live in a place like that. Grew up in it.

Next to none of my friends growing up were white. Most of my classmates weren't. And none of them so much as breathed on me wrong.

It truly depends on where you are........ No ****.

When I lived in "the county seat", I rode the bus that picked up all the kids in the "black neighborhood", and boy did they like to pick on the few white kids on the bus.

When I moved just outside of that city into the farming town, I again was riding the bus that had mostly black kids on it, but they were all really friendly to the one of 4 white kids on the bus.



In fact, in that small farming town I preferred black friends to whites out there........ but not in the city a whopping 10 miles away... Cultural thing I reckon.
 
It truly depends on where you are........ No ****.

When I lived in "the county seat", I rode the bus that picked up all the kids in the "black neighborhood", and boy did they like to pick on the few white kids on the bus.

When I moved just outside of that city into the farming town, I again was riding the bus that had mostly black kids on it, but they were all really friendly to the one of 4 white kids on the bus.



In fact, in that small farming town I preferred black friends to whites out there........ but not in the city a whopping 10 miles away... Cultural thing I reckon.

Picked on is not being beaten.
 
Another poll shows that whites think they're the victims of racism now. Its a zero sum game for them. Which is odd considering that whites still have most of the power and control over the money and resources while the disparities for most Blacks in income, home ownership, health and employment is still just as bleak as it ever was.


"....These data are the first to demonstrate that not only do whites think more progress has been made toward equality than do blacks, but whites also now believe that this progress is linked to a new inequality – at their expense," note Norton and Sommers. Whites see racial equality as a zero sum game, in which gains for one group mean losses for the other.

The belief that anti-white bias is more prevalent than anti-black bias has clear implications for future public policy debates and behavioral science research, say the authors. They note that claims of so-called reverse racism, while not new, have been at the core of an increasing number of high-profile Supreme Court cases....read..."

Whites Believe They Are Victims of Racism More Often Than Blacks | Tufts Now
 
Another poll shows that whites think they're the victims of racism now. Its a zero sum game for them. Which is odd considering that whites still have most of the power and control over the money and resources while the disparities for most Blacks in income, home ownership, health and employment is still just as bleak as it ever was.


"....These data are the first to demonstrate that not only do whites think more progress has been made toward equality than do blacks, but whites also now believe that this progress is linked to a new inequality – at their expense," note Norton and Sommers. Whites see racial equality as a zero sum game, in which gains for one group mean losses for the other.

The belief that anti-white bias is more prevalent than anti-black bias has clear implications for future public policy debates and behavioral science research, say the authors. They note that claims of so-called reverse racism, while not new, have been at the core of an increasing number of high-profile Supreme Court cases....read..."

Whites Believe They Are Victims of Racism More Often Than Blacks | Tufts Now

Lol @ 200 people.
 
Another poll shows that whites think they're the victims of racism now. Its a zero sum game for them. Which is odd considering that whites still have most of the power and control over the money and resources while the disparities for most Blacks in income, home ownership, health and employment is still just as bleak as it ever was.
I am white. I have no power or control over any money or resources except mine own.

INDIVIDUAL perception is what these people are basing this opinion on....... for... they are right. White people being in positions of power does not equal power for those other whites NOT in those positions of power, just like Obama being in power does not equal power for those other blacks not in Obama's position.

It applies the same way.


"....These data are the first to demonstrate that not only do whites think more progress has been made toward equality than do blacks, but whites also now believe that this progress is linked to a new inequality – at their expense," note Norton and Sommers. Whites see racial equality as a zero sum game, in which gains for one group mean losses for the other.
If those gains for one group due to race based policies like Affirmative Action and Grants specifically to businesses because the owner is black and for no other reason than that, then yes they are losses for the other.

The belief that anti-white bias is more prevalent than anti-black bias has clear implications for future public policy debates and behavioral science research, say the authors. They note that claims of so-called reverse racism, while not new, have been at the core of an increasing number of high-profile Supreme Court cases....read..."
That is also true. There have been more and more court cases dealing with unfair practices where whites were on the receiving end of bad policy.


Personally I think more and more lawsuits should come out until these race based policies that attempt, and yet still fail, to "even the playing field" are destroyed.
 
Out of those 200 black and 200 white people polled, both groups agreed that anti-black racism has decreased. Interesting, small sample though.
 
no, not by my landlord
- simply by everyone around me. I was allowed to rent the apartment, and the rest of the neighborhood made quite clear that gringos weren't welcome. It turned into an armed confrontation, once, and after that we slept with guns next to our beds, but never any actual violence.

And no, not in the historical numbers that has happened to blacks. Which, however, is irrelevant. The poll didn't ask who was more racist over the course of American history - it asked who was more racist today. The 1960s are immaterial to the discussion.



Why would you think that the 1960s are immaterial to the discussion? Jim Crow was not that long ago---many, many people lived through that disgraceful period and that mindset is still quite prevalent in many areas.....Many southern schools still have two proms--one for whites and one for blacks......what does that say to you? There is such a thing as collective conscieneness which is almost genetic in nature....Stories passed from grandparents and parents that become the imbedded memory of a whole community, a whole race of people..... Unless your parents and grandparents had to sit at the back of the bus, drink out of a separate water fountains, lower your eyes when approaching a white person, count a jar full of marbles before you could vote---then how could you even imagine what a whole people have been through in this country.......and why there is a deep seated resentment and distrust of most white people......
 
Another poll shows that whites think they're the victims of racism now. Its a zero sum game for them. Which is odd considering that whites still have most of the power and control over the money and resources while the disparities for most Blacks in income, home ownership, health and employment is still just as bleak as it ever was.


"....These data are the first to demonstrate that not only do whites think more progress has been made toward equality than do blacks, but whites also now believe that this progress is linked to a new inequality – at their expense," note Norton and Sommers. Whites see racial equality as a zero sum game, in which gains for one group mean losses for the other.

The belief that anti-white bias is more prevalent than anti-black bias has clear implications for future public policy debates and behavioral science research, say the authors. They note that claims of so-called reverse racism, while not new, have been at the core of an increasing number of high-profile Supreme Court cases....read..."

Whites Believe They Are Victims of Racism More Often Than Blacks | Tufts Now

Is there a link to the actual study, you know, it details how they went about picking their samples, how they worded the questions, and related information which would be included in the actual study.
 
Why would you think that the 1960s are immaterial to the discussion? Jim Crow was not that long ago---many, many people lived through that disgraceful period and that mindset is still quite prevalent in many areas.....Many southern schools still have two proms--one for whites and one for blacks......what does that say to you? There is such a thing as collective conscieneness which is almost genetic in nature....Stories passed from grandparents and parents that become the imbedded memory of a whole community, a whole race of people..... Unless your parents and grandparents had to sit at the back of the bus, drink out of a separate water fountains, lower your eyes when approaching a white person, count a jar full of marbles before you could vote---then how could you even imagine what a whole people have been through in this country.......and why there is a deep seated resentment and distrust of most white people......
You say, "MANY" southern schools still have two proms..

Can you name me more than... one?


And... just because there is deep seated resentment doesn't mean we have to put up with it. Its time to move..... FORWARD!
 
I find that hard to believe since it's illegal. Segregation is illegal.




Yes, segregation is, for most intents and purposes, illegal---(sigh). Where do you think the ghettos came from? why do most white people in Chicago live on the north side, and most of the black people live on the South side? Who do you think runs these thousands of small Southern towns?.
 
Rasmussen’s Bizarre Poll About Racism | TPMDC

The right-leaning polling firm Rasmussen Reports dove into America’s views of race on Wednesday with a bizarre survey that concluded most of the nation thinks blacks are more likely to be racist than whites.

Going deeper into the poll’s crosstabs shows that 49 percent of Republicans believe “most black Americans (are) racist,” roughly the same percentage of Democrats (47 percent) who said the opposite. A third of Republicans said most black Americans are not racist, while only 11 percent of the GOP said that most white people are racist. Fifty-eight percent of respondents identified as “very conservative” said most blacks are racist, while a plurality of 44 percent “somewhat conservative” respondents said the same.

(snip)

A study conducted by Fordham University rated Rasmussen as one of the least accurate pollsters of the 2012 election cycle.

Do you agree?

Yes
No, Whites are the most racist
No, They are the same
I Don't Know




According to the studies that I have read (And I have read lots of them.) Almost everyone on this planet is 'racist to some extent.

What we are talking about here is favoring members of your group over members of other groups.
 
Yes, segregation is, for most intents and purposes, illegal---(sigh). Where do you think the ghettos came from? why do most white people in Chicago live on the north side, and most of the black people live on the South side? Who do you think runs these thousands of small Southern towns?.

Because the choice that people have.

The freedom to choose where to live.

The freedom to elect the leaders the people want.


Welcome to America.
 
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