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Rasmussen Poll Says Blacks Are More Racist Than Whites [W:358]

Do you agree?

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ChrisL said:
Are you saying that there are no black employers who may not hire white people? Doubtful.
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I'm saying the scale his no where near the same. Not historically. Not in the present day.
 
TurtleDude said:
that might have some truth but black on white violent crime is far higher than the other way around
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Which seems in keeping with poverty levels and such other measurables. It would be a mistake to try and link it to prejudice alone.
 
Boo Radley said:
Which seems in keeping with poverty levels and such other measurables. It would be a mistake to try and link it to prejudice alone.
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but blacks of a given socioeconomic level have far higher rates of violent crime than whites of the same status

I don't link it to prejudice alone but it seems when whites discriminate its by one means, blacks by another

I believe minorities tend to be more conscious of their status than the majority and thus blacks often engage in more racism deliberately than whites these days. its also more accepted by the PC media
 
Boo Radley said:
I'm saying the scale his no where near the same. Not historically. Not in the present day.
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That's because there are MORE white people than other races. Of course there would be MORE racists among whites, simply because there are so many more of them. It's not like white people get together and plan to screw over on black people. Give me a break.
 
TurtleDude said:
but blacks of a given socioeconomic level have far higher rates of violent crime than whites of the same status

I don't link it to prejudice alone but it seems when whites discriminate its by one means, blacks by another

I believe minorities tend to be more conscious of their status than the majority and thus blacks often engage in more racism deliberately than whites these days. its also more accepted by the PC media
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I don't know that you stats are true to begin with. But don't think history doesn't play a role. I remember being reminded once that civil rights weren't that long ago. Because of this, many grew up with parents who never read anything but their bills. It is arrogant to assume your life is the rule by which to measure others. I'm not excusing crime, but if we seek to understand, we do need to see the entire picture.
 
Paschendale said:
Prejudice without power is unimportant. Every single black American could hate white people with a burning passion, but that hatred will never manifest in a way that truly harms white Americans. The inverse is most assuredly not true. That comes from having the majority population, most of the accumulated wealth of the nation, and nearly every single position of power, both private and public.
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While I agree short of some bizarre series of events, that such prejudice isn't likely to have a great impact on things, such resentment hardly facilitates constructive dialogue and the type of social interaction that helps facilitate good social integration. And I am almost positive that it helps perpetuate certain negative social ills within the african american community.

So we shouldn't simply ignore it.
 
Dapper Andy said:
I don't know if black people are more racist but it's acceptable for black people to be racist so they tend to say more racist things, in my opinion.
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considering groups like the NOI it is certainly more visible and socially acceptable
 
ChrisL said:
That's because there are MORE white people than other races. Of course there would be MORE racists among whites, simply because there are so many more of them. It's not like white people get together and plan to screw over on black people. Give me a break.
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It's more than that. A lot more.

And to be honest, I know places where they do get together and do just that. Again, not saying it's anywhere her a majority if whites, but it dies happen.
 
Boo Radley said:
And yet, our history does hold some of this. I would be dishonest to deny it. And we still have people and places that deny employment, housing, and service due to race. This isn't all white people, to be sure, but it really doesn't happen the other way around.
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:shrug: I've been denied service due to my race and threatened for being in the housing I was in for the same.
 
Disclaimer: Speaking in the most general of terms. And speaking from only opinion.


I suppose I would have to have a more pinpointed definition of the term racist in this context.

Do more black people deny white people employment or advancement, than their white counterparts do? I don't think so.

In a man's heart of hearts, does the black man despise the white man, more than the white man despises the black man? I do think so.

I think, even though society is somewhat getting it right in regards to social sensitivity, regarding matters of race, I think that when a black man looks into the eye of a white man, a "white man," is the first thing he sees. Regardless of how positive the interaction may or may not be, the black man never loses site that he is dealing with a white men.

And I think that when a white man looks into the eye of a black man, if he does at all, the first thing he sees is a "black man," and never loses sight of that, as well.

But we have, as a society, been able to move beyond that for the most part. People have recognized the prejudices and have made conscientious efforts to address them in a positive way. But we still have a ways to go.

Times seem to be getting a little better. But I do worry about our African American brother's and sister's. The things they are doing to each other. Their particular culture seems to be veering towards the negative. Not many positive contributions considering their populous proportions.



What I am observing amongst the African American culture is the notion that racism can only pertain to white people. It's as if their thought patterns do not register that black people can be racist too.

"Do you consider the term, "Creepy-Ass Cracker," to be racist?
"No."
That's just the way your culture refer's to white people?"
"Yeah."
 
pbrauer said:
Rasmussen’s Bizarre Poll About Racism | TPMDC

The right-leaning polling firm Rasmussen Reports dove into America’s views of race on Wednesday with a bizarre survey that concluded most of the nation thinks blacks are more likely to be racist than whites.

Going deeper into the poll’s crosstabs shows that 49 percent of Republicans believe “most black Americans (are) racist,” roughly the same percentage of Democrats (47 percent) who said the opposite. A third of Republicans said most black Americans are not racist, while only 11 percent of the GOP said that most white people are racist. Fifty-eight percent of respondents identified as “very conservative” said most blacks are racist, while a plurality of 44 percent “somewhat conservative” respondents said the same.

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A study conducted by Fordham University rated Rasmussen as one of the least accurate pollsters of the 2012 election cycle.
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Do you agree?

Yes
No, Whites are the most racist
No, They are the same
I Don't Know
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No, I don't agree, but when white people are still the most dominant group in the country and when the poll is by a conservative organization, I wouldn't expect the poll to be any different.

The fact is that any animosity black people feel towards white people is not based in racism, but in frustration with the way that a white dominated society has treated them. There are a lot of white people - particularly conservative white people - who don't get that. They are narcissistic and in denial about what racism really is and about their own role in maintaining it. Even further, they resent the fact that black Americans among other non-whites have dared to aggressively call them out on their racist bull**** and have dared to be pissed off about the way that the white supremacist American society has treated them. So, in their resentment, they fashion black people to be the "true racists" and they fashion themselves to be the victims of a society of "political correctness".

It would be funny, if it weren't so sad.
 
I don't think there's any question. Just look at our history. We didn't have a white man as President until George Washington.
 
Boo Radley said:
And yet, our history does hold some of this. I would be dishonest to deny it. And we still have people and places that deny employment, housing, and service due to race. This isn't all white people, to be sure, but it really doesn't happen the other way around.
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You are so wrong about that its pathetic. Out here in California racism of all stripes is routinely practiced mainly by the "minority" populations. For example in the transportation and logistics industry Mexicans essentially have a lock on all AG transport. Basically the only non Mexicans in that sector are those that were there before. Getting in after is NOT gona happen. In NC there is a city with so much racial strife its basically divided into thirds. You don't go into the other "races" sides without harassment. Its an extreme example mind you as I that particular city is the only one I have been to that was that way, I have been all over the United States, all lower forty eight, and that was by far the most openly blatant city about that sort of thing. It was so bad that people wouldn't take my money and refused me service unless they found out I was from elsewhere. The local Waffle House where ate at called me their token white boy. They were nice enough AFTER they figured I wasn't from around there.
 
Wow. Not that any group is more racist than another but that Rasmussen actually thought it would be a good idea to do the poll. Going forward its going to me hard for me to hear the name Rasmussen and think of this poll and question it's motive.

I woud personally guess if some whites are racists it's pobably due to stereotypes and an unintentional response to negative imagages. One litmus test a black preacher I use to listen to says is if your daughter brought home a boyfriend of another race, would race matter. I have white friends who told me it would and one actually went as far as saying no for another other race (Hispanic, oriental, etc.) but it would if he were black...because of the children.

I think if more blacks would have racial animosity, it would be due to having a chip on their shoulders and incorrectly imagining any unpleasant incounter is motivated by racism and/or more people are racist than truly are all due to real the historical treatment of blacks. What I do find interesting however and one bright light in the Paula Deen controversy is of the media reports I've seen where blacks were asked their reaction, the vast majority of blacks speaking candidly on the subject, defended her and gave other expressions of support while whites were the ones being the most unforgiving. I think that says a lot with respect to race relations when blacks have become her biggest supporters in what is obviously one of the most challenging times in her life.
 
What I find funny is all these people talking about white institutional influence or power, when the US government employs 17.5% blacks verses the 13.1% they represent in the population. Hispanics represent 16.9% of the population but only get 7.1% of federal jobs. Whites represent 77.9% of the population and only get 67% of federal jobs. Boy that's a lot of influence by white people.:roll: The numbers are similar for state and local governments. If there was going to be influence you would think it would be for government jobs. Guess the influence goes only so far.
 
During my formative years, racism was defined as holding extremely prejudiced views towards those of different races. THe civil rights movement brought this into focus.

Some very determined people like Harry Edwards and others attempted to redefine the term, and have been quite successful in doing so, for there are countless people who will swear up and down that the term can only mean insitutionalized repression by white people and against those of color.

If one defines the term in a more tradtional fashion, I am not the least bit surprised by the findings. I lived in Oakland, California for many years, had a child in the school system, and he, especially, faced incredible levels of harrassment on a daily basis.

If one defines the term according to the articicially constructed new definition, then black people cannot BE racist, since it has been defined so conveniently as to give them what amounts to a "get out of Jail free" card on the subject. IMO, this latter attitude actually contributes towards racism by creating privileged groups who are inviolate by very definition. When one group is constantly scrutized for any hint of bigotry and one group is given free range to indulge in it, the results should be pretty obvious.
 
pbrauer said:
Rasmussen’s Bizarre Poll About Racism | TPMDC

The right-leaning polling firm Rasmussen Reports dove into America’s views of race on Wednesday with a bizarre survey that concluded most of the nation thinks blacks are more likely to be racist than whites.

Going deeper into the poll’s crosstabs shows that 49 percent of Republicans believe “most black Americans (are) racist,” roughly the same percentage of Democrats (47 percent) who said the opposite. A third of Republicans said most black Americans are not racist, while only 11 percent of the GOP said that most white people are racist. Fifty-eight percent of respondents identified as “very conservative” said most blacks are racist, while a plurality of 44 percent “somewhat conservative” respondents said the same.

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A study conducted by Fordham University rated Rasmussen as one of the least accurate pollsters of the 2012 election cycle.
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Do you agree?

Yes
No, Whites are the most racist
No, They are the same
I Don't Know
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Consider the source.
 
Most blacks? As in a majority? Nearly 50 percent is an astonishingly high response for that question in my view, regardless of the demographic group in question. I won't offer an opinion on which group is more racist in nature, but I sincerely doubt that a majority of either hold those views.
 
pbrauer said:
Rasmussen’s Bizarre Poll About Racism | TPMDC

The right-leaning polling firm Rasmussen Reports dove into America’s views of race on Wednesday with a bizarre survey that concluded most of the nation thinks blacks are more likely to be racist than whites.

Going deeper into the poll’s crosstabs shows that 49 percent of Republicans believe “most black Americans (are) racist,” roughly the same percentage of Democrats (47 percent) who said the opposite. A third of Republicans said most black Americans are not racist, while only 11 percent of the GOP said that most white people are racist. Fifty-eight percent of respondents identified as “very conservative” said most blacks are racist, while a plurality of 44 percent “somewhat conservative” respondents said the same.

(snip)

A study conducted by Fordham University rated Rasmussen as one of the least accurate pollsters of the 2012 election cycle.
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Do you agree?

Yes
No, Whites are the most racist
No, They are the same
I Don't Know
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Meh. I agree but it is what it is.


History happens. Can't get too upset about racism. Racism is a new concept generally. Tribalism is all racism really is and tribalism is a far more tenured ideology than liberalism. I don't blame anybody for being tribal and that means racist. It is what it is.


If Euros had been slaved to Africa by African kings I wouldn't blame those Euros descendents for being racist and or tribalist. How could you really? It's to be expected in such a situation. I don't think you can really blame people though on any side. It was always going to be that way with what happened.
 
Boo Radley said:
And yet, our history does hold some of this. I would be dishonest to deny it. And we still have people and places that deny employment, housing, and service due to race. This isn't all white people, to be sure, but it really doesn't happen the other way around.
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You mean we have places where people assume that their employment, housing or service was denied due to race.......

And it doesn't happen the other way around? Apparently you've never tried to be a white guy getting a hair cut in the ghetto.
 
I don't doubt the poll but it's missing the point ...

Think back to slavery, you have a racist institution, do you think black slaves will have racial anger? Of coarse, many might hate white people, many white people however, who don't suffer from racial policy might not have a problem with black people, why hate black people? They arn't a threat, they don't oppress you and so on.

Who are the victims of racism? Well the blacks, why because the institution racially favors whites.

This is why it's important to look at the material conditions behind feelings and so on.

If I'm a white buisiness owner and I decide to only hire whites because I don't trust blacks, yet I don't HATE black people, infact I may have black friends. Yet a black person who doesn't have a job because of people like me goes on to HATE white people.
Who is the victim of racism there?

I think the mistake of making individual racism the most important aspect of racism is also made by liberals.

I doubt ANY black person nowerdays really cares about some tiny KKK backwoods group of poor whire rural people having BBQs talking about how they hate black people, it doesn't effect their lives, what does affect their lives are things like workplace discrimination.

It's a lot deeper than just "are individual blacks racist or individual whites." It's institutions and power dynamics.
 
RGacky3 said:
I don't doubt the poll but it's missing the point ...

Think back to slavery, you have a racist institution, do you think black slaves will have racial anger? Of coarse, many might hate white people, many white people however, who don't suffer from racial policy might not have a problem with black people, why hate black people? They arn't a threat, they don't oppress you and so on.
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You seen anybody who lived through slavery still alive today?

Hmm? Eh?? No???

Didn't think so.

No black person today has the right to be angry with a white person due to slavery. So lets go ahead and drop that ignorant ass issue.


Who are the victims of racism? Well the blacks, why because the institution racially favors whites.
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I'd like to see you support that.

My support that they don't racially favor whites is Affirmative Action and financial aid programs for black business owners.




If I'm a white buisiness owner and I decide to only hire whites because I don't trust blacks, yet I don't HATE black people, infact I may have black friends. Yet a black person who doesn't have a job because of people like me goes on to HATE white people.
Who is the victim of racism there?
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If I'm a black business owner and I decide to only hire blacks because I don't trust whites, yet I don't HATE white people, in fact I may have white friends. Yet a white person who doesn't have a job because of people like me goes on to HATE black people.


I doubt ANY black person nowerdays really cares about some tiny KKK backwoods group of poor whire rural people having BBQs talking about how they hate black people, it doesn't effect their lives, what does affect their lives are things like workplace discrimination.
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Which I have seen no proof of. Only statistics with a conclusion drawn from them but absolutely no explanation to why the conclusion of racism was drawn.

It's a lot deeper than just "are individual blacks racist or individual whites." It's institutions and power dynamics.
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Yes. Institutions and power dynamics.. Black President, Affirmative Action, Special programs to assist with black business owners, etc, etc, etc.

Im not saying the "institution" is set up against the white man, but the only disadvantage I see to black folks is the same one white folks have, the level of poverty of wealth they were born into, and their individual level of motivation to get out of that situation.
 
PirateMk1 said:
What I find funny is all these people talking about white institutional influence or power, when the US government employs 17.5% blacks verses the 13.1% they represent in the population. Hispanics represent 16.9% of the population but only get 7.1% of federal jobs. Whites represent 77.9% of the population and only get 67% of federal jobs. Boy that's a lot of influence by white people.:roll: The numbers are similar for state and local governments. If there was going to be influence you would think it would be for government jobs. Guess the influence goes only so far.
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