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Is Homosexuality A Choice?

Is Homosexuality A Choice?

  • Yes

    Votes: 33 15.9%

  • No

    Votes: 136 65.7%

  • Maybe/Don't Know

    Votes: 38 18.4%
  • Total voters
    207
Ari said:
Long story short people who are LGBT or people have empathy for LGBT people shouldn't discuss it because, well they care. You don't care or take a position. Does that summarize it?
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Unfortunately, while making this long story short you eliminated language, which expanded on the group in question_

I never suggested that people with empathy should refrain from discussion only those whose reasoning is effected by it_

You neglected key elements of the statement I posted which would have otherwise clarified what I actually said and meant_

Originally Posted by Empirica
I believe we all have a right to express our opinions but some of us should avoid discussing them with those who might disagree_

The reason being, some people with a strong emotional connection to an issue are unable to rationally discuss it with dissenters_

Such people are convinced that all dissent of popular gay myths and issues are rooted in hate, homophobia and religious fanaticism_
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Those key elements are highlighted in red__I suppose it could be a simple oversight on your part_

But most likely you intentionally ignored them in an effort to twist my words and bolster yours_

When taken in context everything I said makes perfectly good sense to anyone with good sense!

If you can't think of a rational argument for your position then maybe you should adopt a new one_
 
Empirica said:
Unfortunately, while making this long story short you eliminated language, which expanded on the group in question_

I never suggested that people with empathy should refrain from discussion only those whose reasoning is effected by it_

You neglected key elements of the statement I posted which would have otherwise clarified what I actually said and meant_

Those key elements are highlighted in red__I suppose it could be a simple oversight on your part_

But most likely you intentionally ignored them in an effort to twist my words and bolster yours_

When taken in context everything I said makes perfectly good sense to anyone with good sense!

If you can't think of a rational argument for your position then maybe you should adopt a new one_
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Right, so Long story short people who are LGBT shouldn't discuss it.
 
Nightrider said:
This isn't about whether one is for or against gay marriage.....

Simply vote and discuss whether you believe that homosexuals have a choice in the matter, or were simply born that way, with no choice whatsoever.

Please be courteous - thanks in advance.
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This topic has been hashed to death. Please stop making threads about old topics. Thanks.
 
Grendel said:
No one has demonstrated it to the point of being a fact, but all current research points to genetic roots for homosexuality.
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There is just as credible research on the other side that says it does not. Truth be told it depends on what side of the issue one is.
 
Grendel said:
No one has demonstrated it to the point of being a fact, but all current research points to genetic roots for homosexuality.
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No it doesn't.
 
maquiscat said:
No bisexual is when you are attracted to both. There is a difference between choosing between one attraction or the other and being attracted to both.
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Not necessarily. Not EVERYONE makes their relationship decisions based primarily upon sexual desire. Animals do I suppose. Not ALL people do.
 
Navy Pride said:
Thee fact is no one really knows.
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I think that is the first statement about gays you've posted that I agree with.

The topics about sexuality in relation to gays are so polluted with loyalty to one set of slogans or the other - as simplistic of slogans as people can chant - has made intelligent discussion all but impossible.

Yes, MOST people now agree that humans are no different than fruit flies in establishing their relationships that include sex. I'm not one of those people.
 
TiredOfLife said:
A bisexual is someone who wants to double their chances of having a date on Saturday night.
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Bisexuals are the only people whose relationships are not limited by gender prejudice.

The term "LGTB" is bizarre actually. Homosexuals and Hetrosexuals are the same in comparison to bisexuals. A bisexual I know sees the feud against gay rights by heterosexuals as bizarre - as both EQUALLY have the same gender prejudice against half the population.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
There's no poll.

But no, homosexuality isn't a choice. Gays can't just flip over to the other side anymore than a straight person can make himself gay.
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Writing in The Quarterly Review of Biology, researchers William Rice, a professor at the University of California, Santa Barbara, and Urban Friberg, a professor at Uppsala University in Sweden, believe that homosexuality can be explained by the presence of epi-marks — temporary switches that control how our genes are expressed during gestation and after we're born.

Specifically, the researchers discovered sex-specific epi-marks which, unlike most genetic switches, get passed down from father to daughter or mother to son. Most epi-marks don't normally pass between generations and are essentially "erased." Rice and Friberg say this explains why homosexuality appears to run in families, yet has no real genetic underpinning.
Scientists claim that homosexuality is not genetic
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Now, if this is becomes accepted science, and a test is developed to learn if an epi-mark is passed down to the fetus in the womb, and children are selectively aborted because of it, I wonder...
 
zimmer said:
Now, if this is becomes accepted science, and a test is developed to learn if an epi-mark is passed down to the fetus in the womb, and children are selectively aborted because of it, I wonder...
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"The gay gene".... Uh huh...

Good luck on your conquest to annihilate homosexuality. I don't care.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
"The gay gene".... Uh huh...

Good luck on your conquest to annihilate homosexuality. I don't care.
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Where in the world did I say that?

I brought up a scientific study where the researchers showed it's not genetic, but there is an "epi-mark" that is passed on.

I'm not a proponent of abortion, or gender selection, or in this instance of sexual orientation selection if it proves to be solid science. Strange for you perhaps, I do have a couple homosexual friends, actually far more than a couple! You see, I'm an open minded, tolerant guy.

I left the question open, and figured intelligent people would be able to deduce there may come a time when people do practice sexual orientation selection, and what would that mean? Really what would that mean?

Would it mean banning sexual orientation selective abortions?
If that is so, why... if abortion is legal? For example, I could foresee a group of religious zealots that used this "tool" to extract homosexuals from their society, just as Chinese use gender selection.

Another question; Would the homosexual community for instance become a cadre of pro-lifers? And if so, would they do so for their select group, or across the board... for if they're against abortion of those carrying the "epi-mark", isn't it intellectually inconsistent to accept abortions of those not having the epi-mark?

Just some food for thought.
 
Gardener;1061978012[I said:
]I would think that any heterosexual who believes homosexualty is a choice test out their theory by choosing homosexuality for a little while to see how well that works out for them
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Should be an easy matter if there is anything to their opinion.
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Excellent idea.

An extra advantage of this idea is that we won't have so many time-wasting threads about homosexual choice/non-choice.




Why do some people waste so much time worrying about **** like this?

Any ideas?

Me-I've got lots of more important things to think about.
 
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zimmer said:

Where in the world did I say that?

I brought up a scientific study where the researchers showed it's not genetic, but there is an "epi-mark" that is passed on.

I'm not a proponent of abortion, or gender selection, or in this instance of sexual orientation selection if it proves to be solid science. Strange for you perhaps, I do have a couple homosexual friends, actually far more than a couple! You see, I'm an open minded, tolerant guy.

I left the question open, and figured intelligent people would be able to deduce there may come a time when people do practice sexual orientation selection, and what would that mean? Really what would that mean?

Would it mean banning sexual orientation selective abortions?
If that is so, why... if abortion is legal? For example, I could foresee a group of religious zealots that used this "tool" to extract homosexuals from their society, just as Chinese use gender selection.

Another question; Would the homosexual community for instance become a cadre of pro-lifers? And if so, would they do so for their select group, or across the board... for if they're against abortion of those carrying the "epi-mark", isn't it intellectually inconsistent to accept abortions of those not having the epi-mark?

Just some food for thought.
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Thanks, but no thanks.

I'll dine elsewhere.
 
shrubnose said:
Excellent idea.

An extra advantage of this idea is that we won't have so many time-wasting threads about homosexual choice/non-choice.
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If only we could get the numbskull Demokrats to try Capitalism. It works everywhere it's been tried.

Why do some people waste so much time worrying about **** like this?

Any ideas?

Me-I've got lots of more important things to think about.
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My, my, my... for such an "open-mined" individual :roll: from a ROTFLOL..."open-minded" party;), why the attitude that discussing this is a "waste of time"?

Hell, it seems government research money, or research money in any event, is being paid to scientists trying to figure it out! But discussing what they may find, and how we function or not as humans is a waste of time?

What is it your fear?

shrubnose said:
Thanks, but no thanks.

I'll dine elsewhere.
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Ahhh... the lack of curiosity... I see you subscribe to the adage... "a closed mind is a wonderful thing to have."
 
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shrubnose said:
Sex is not always a voluntary act.

Did you ever hear of rape?
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Still required a choice on the part of the rapist. Still I think you overall missed the point.
 
shrubnose said:
Sex is not always a voluntary act.

Did you ever hear of rape?
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Sure I have. That has nothing to do with the point being made unless you believe that every instance of homosexual sex involves rape. Not brilliant.
 
johndylan1 said:
Sure I have.
That has nothing to do with the point being made unless you believe that every instance of homosexual sex involves rape
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. Not brilliant.
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Did I say that? No, I did not.

You are trying to put your words in my mouth. I don't play that game.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I don't think he is talking about a sex act, more an attraction.
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Answered this before... but. There are currently no studies that definitively conclude that attraction is biological or genetic. There are however several studies that do conclude that attraction is learned behavior.

To address directly the Idea of a natural (uncontrollable) attraction to the same sex, and how learned behavior can coexist. I would say that reproduction is not the base instinct, but sex is. Most if not all will have a base instinct to engage in sexual activity, but that is not limited to a particular object or set of objects of sexual interest. Those interests are developed, and I would suggest they become entrenched within the psyche at times of rapid neurological development and subsequent neurological pruning, leaving one feeling as if it is their natural state. Neurological development and plasticity is a very interesting topic with regard to human behavior, and this is the core of learned behavior.
 
shrubnose said:
Did I say that? No, I did not.

You are trying to put your words in my mouth. I don't play that game.
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Why on earth would you introduce rape into the discussion if you weren't playing games? Voluntary behavior is a statement about an affirmative action by an individual, and has nothing to do with the subject of that action.
 
johndylan1 said:
Why on earth would you introduce rape into the discussion if you weren't playing games? Voluntary behavior is a statement about an affirmative action by an individual, and has nothing to do with the subject of that action.
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I don't have time to play games with you. Take a hike, bye.

Have a nice day, but don't include me in your plans.
 
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