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Is Homosexuality A Choice?

Is Homosexuality A Choice?

  • Yes

    Votes: 33 15.9%
  • No

    Votes: 136 65.7%
  • Maybe/Don't Know

    Votes: 38 18.4%

  • Total voters
    207
Well of course it is___all Politically Incorrect realities appear "stupid" to liberals_

No, stupid is stupid. You hide it behind claims of political correctness. But any intelligent person knows it was just stupid.
 
lets see

homosexuals have been around for ages
As have zoophiles, pedophiles and necrophiles, just to name a few_

However "been around for ages" doesn't qualify a paraphilia as normal_

Sparta for example

they are still here
Societal acceptance of an 'abnormality' does not negate the evolutionary biology which defines 'normal'_

logic dictates its a normal variation of human behavior
Wrong; it is nature which dictates "normal behavior"; human or otherwise__and that is pure logic!

Desperately wanting something to be true does not alter its reality, except in the mind_

IMO many homosexuals are aware that being sexually attracted to the same gender is not normal_

But they're afraid that admitting this would be detrimental to their dream of being accepted, therefore their policy has been to convince society that homosexuality is just as normal as heterosexuality_

The only problem is, this tactic insults the intelligence of even the most average everyday normal people_

Rather than trying to convince society to accept them as normal, try convincing it to accept them despite it_

I am personally willing to acknowledge homosexual equality, providing society isn't expected to accept the myths and lies being touted as justification and especially not to pass them onto children_

Promoting lies as truth and myths as reality is the policy of Political Correctness to influence gullible fools_
 
gullible fools_

You mean like all those thoughtless individuals who think there is something wrong with homosexuality for no other reason than they have been indoctrinated to think it so?
 
You mean like all those thoughtless individuals who think there is something wrong with homosexuality for no other reason than they have been indoctrinated to think it so?
Nope; I pretty much meant exactly what I said_ :thumbs:
 
Just like the media does, a lot of people want to make all questions as simplistic as possible - yes or no.

Accordingly, the poll is flawed and, in my opinion, just asking people whether or not they are currently politically correct about homosexuality.
 
People are "gay" - which of itself has many different meanings and applications - because it is in their dna, OR because of conditioning, OR because of opportunity, OR because of trauma, OR because they do not place sexuality and/gender as a vetoing determination for a relationship, OR many other reasons.

Personally, I do not accept that people are totally animalistic in terms of sexuality and romantic/relationship attraction, which is the claim that everyone is either born straight or born gay. Personally, I think most people are born bisexually promiscuous and conditioning factors largely then prevent being so later in life.
 
Wrong; it is nature which dictates "normal behavior"; human or otherwise__and that is pure logic!

Desperately wanting something to be true does not alter its reality, except in the mind_

True enough in and of itself, but man's interpertation and understanding of that "normal" does not necessarily reflect the reality. For many millenium, man thought that the sun moved around the earth and that the earth was flat. This was normal and the nature made it. But they were wrong. The irony of your arguement here is that it can be applied both ways. Nature dictates "normal behavior". Nature can well be dictating that homosexuality is normal, albeit not normative. Desperately waning something to be true does not altr its reality. Desperately wanting homosexuality to not be normal does not alter the reality of it being normal.
 
True enough in and of itself, but man's interpertation and understanding of that "normal" does not necessarily reflect the reality.
We are in total agreement here; although I suspect you did not intend us to be???

For many millenium, man thought that the sun moved around the earth and that the earth was flat. This was normal and the nature made it. But they were wrong.
That's because ancient people had no concept of the earth being anything but stationary because their bodies detected no indication of physical movement_

All their reasoning about the world beneath them and the heavens above were based solely on the only tools they had to reason with, which were their five senses_

And it remained that way until people got smarter and began to question their beliefs and began a more in-depth study of the universe using new tools beyond their five senses_

For several centuries these beliefs were dictated by the Catholic Church according to its religious doctrine, much the same as Political Correctness now dictates what is okay to believe, write and say_

The irony of your arguement here is that it can be applied both ways. Nature dictates "normal behavior". Nature can well be dictating that homosexuality is normal, albeit not normative. Desperately waning something to be true does not altr its reality. Desperately wanting homosexuality to not be normal does not alter the reality of it being normal.
And I'll agree, if nature ever reveals a necessary or even beneficial homosexual contribution to the species_

Nature regularly makes mistakes and if it's a good mistake then it survives and contributes to the gene-pool_

Homosexuals contribute nothing to the gene pool__they're born, they live, they die; they're inconsequential_

Sex is a biological function of evolution for the purpose of reproduction and continuation of a species_

A sexual attraction between a male and a female of child bearing age and same species is required_

All sexual attractions other than that is a biological abnormality, most likely due to a psychological disorder_

In case you hadn't noticed, I've been basing "normal" on scientific, evolutionary and biological realities_

Reality doesn't care what you or I want, it is what nature and evolution has perfected over millions of years_

And regardless how badly we want that reality to conform to our good intentions, it simply isn't going to comply_

Gay Pride is of no importance to me one way or the other therefore these are cold hard facts not homophobia_
 
We are in total agreement here; although I suspect you did not intend us to be???
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We're not.

It saddens me to read this type of ignorance in this age. But just a few things:

1) normal is a meaningless term. Affairs can be said to be normal because they happen with enough frequency to be a norm. Not sure we want to do any thing because its the norm.

2) it is natural as it happens in nature. So, you can't go too far down that rabbit hole either.

3) Homosexuals just don't make up a large enough part of the population to fear us not making babies. Suggesting other wise is illogical enough to reference more than one fallacy.
 
This isn't about whether one is for or against gay marriage.....

Simply vote and discuss whether you believe that homosexuals have a choice in the matter, or were simply born that way, with no choice whatsoever.

Please be courteous - thanks in advance.

Sex is a voluntary act. All voluntary acts require a choice.
 
The question in the thread title is referring to attraction, not the act. Attraction is not a choice.

Didn't see any such reference to attraction... never the less Attraction is with out a doubt learned behavior.
 
We're not.

It saddens me to read this type of ignorance in this age. But just a few things:

1) normal is a meaningless term. Affairs can be said to be normal because they happen with enough frequency to be a norm. Not sure we want to do any thing because its the norm.

2) it is natural as it happens in nature. So, you can't go too far down that rabbit hole either.

3) Homosexuals just don't make up a large enough part of the population to fear us not making babies. Suggesting other wise is illogical enough to reference more than one fallacy.
A very typical response from someone who has no rational argument with which to counter, because their entire belief system is rooted in political correctness which requires only the blind faith of the practitioner_

This isn't about hate or fear but about cold hard reality and learning to cope_

This is life Boo Radley__Don't expect it to conform to you__Deal with it!

If you sincerely desire to be accepted by society, then you should ask for my advise!
 
A very typical response from someone who has no rational argument with which to counter, because their entire belief system is rooted in political correctness which requires only the blind faith of the practitioner_

This isn't about hate or fear but about cold hard reality and learning to cope_

This is life Boo Radley__Don't expect it to conform to you__Deal with it!

If you sincerely desire to be accepted by society, then you should ask for my advise!

Nonsense. Reality is homosexuals love committed lives every day. They work jobs, pay taxes, own homes, raise children, and contribute every bit as much as you and I. That's just a fact.

Also, I laid out three points of rebuttal. You responded with more silliness. So, talk to me about rational until you make a rational case or even a rational response.
 
First off is there a point to the underscores at the end of each line? Is it the result of your computer, or browser or whatever device you are using?

We are in total agreement here; although I suspect you did not intend us to be???

It does not surprise me that it has occured. It is indeed an argument that can be applied both ways here.


And I'll agree, if nature ever reveals a necessary or even beneficial homosexual contribution to the species_

A lot of times I can make out what a person means. This one I can't. I believe that somewhere in the bolded area is where there are missing or wrong words.

Homosexuals contribute nothing to the gene pool__they're born, they live, they die; they're inconsequential_

Not true, or at least not entirely. First many homosexuals contribute to the gene pool, either directly, by being willing to engage in a physical activity that holds no attraction for them, or indirectly thorough IVO and other methods (the turkey baster method has been known to work ;) ). Additionally, your argument would indicate that a sterile person is inconsequential as well as an individual who does not contribute to the gene pool. I think you might want to be a little more specific on those last two words as a person's status of consequential or inconsequential is actually irrelavant to whether or not the do or can contribute to the gene pool.

Sex is a biological function of evolution for the purpose of reproduction and continuation of a species_

Correction: Sex has a function for the reproduction and continuation of a species. Sex also has a function, in some species other than humans as well, as a pleasure activity. Neither function is dependant upon the other.

A sexual attraction between a male and a female of child bearing age and same species is required_

Hardly. There are plenty of homosexuals who raise children, and who even have children with members of the opposite gender in order to ....well, have children. Neither parent has a sexual attraction to the other.

All sexual attractions other than that is a biological abnormality, most likely due to a psychological disorder_

In case you hadn't noticed, I've been basing "normal" on scientific, evolutionary and biological realities_

None that are noted by the mental health professionals and a majority of scientest in various fields related to this have noted otherwise.

Reality doesn't care what you or I want, it is what nature and evolution has perfected over millions of years_

And regardless how badly we want that reality to conform to our good intentions, it simply isn't going to comply_

And we're right back to both agreeing on a statement, even while applying it in opposite directions.
 
This isn't about whether one is for or against gay marriage.....

Simply vote and discuss whether you believe that homosexuals have a choice in the matter, or were simply born that way, with no choice whatsoever.

Please be courteous - thanks in advance.


Then if being gay is a choice would being straight be a choice as well!
 
And I'll agree, if nature ever reveals a necessary or even beneficial homosexual contribution to the species_

Nature regularly makes mistakes and if it's a good mistake then it survives and contributes to the gene-pool_

Homosexuals contribute nothing to the gene pool__they're born, they live, they die; they're inconsequential_

Sex is a biological function of evolution for the purpose of reproduction and continuation of a species_

Homosexuality has been around for as long as there is history, and clearly a lot longer. Yet it's still here. It hasn't been selected out, so there must be some benefit to it. By your very own reasoning, it's should have been eradicated with the first few generations of homosexuals, considering the evolutionary pressure against the gene propagating itself. If you want to say it has no value, then you're going to have to follow up with an explanation as to why it hasn't been selected out after all of these eons.

Now, if genetics were as direct as one gene for each trait, then I would agree with you. The Gay Gene would have too little evolutionary pressure ensuring it's propagation. But genetics are rarely that straight forward. It's not at all impossible that homosexuality is tied to some other gene that is beneficial.

For example: The most well accepted current research shows a very strong correlation between high testosterone levels in women (women have testosterone, just not very much of it) and their likelihood of having a gay son. The trick to it is that the same gene that causes the higher likelihood of having a gay son also causes them to be more likely to reproduce, and to reproduce more. If the gene causes, for example, a woman to have a 25% higher chance of having a gay son, but also causes her to have 30% more children, then the gene is beneficial and is selected for.

I don't know if that's the cause, or one of the causes, or completely wrong, but it's a good demonstration of how a trait like homosexuality, which has a steep evolutionary cost, may yet be selected for because it is associated with another trait that offsets the evolutionary cost.
 
This isn't about whether one is for or against gay marriage.....

Simply vote and discuss whether you believe that homosexuals have a choice in the matter, or were simply born that way, with no choice whatsoever.

Please be courteous - thanks in advance.



Those who argue that its not genetic so therefore it must be a choice miss important cases like people who have down syndrome. Down syndrome has been shown to not be heritable. I think homosexuality is Environmental ( hormonal disbalances, lack of essence nutrient and minerals, stress in utero). Though they are not to blame....

Myths & Truths - National Down Syndrome Society
 
Those who argue that its not genetic so therefore it must be a choice miss important cases like people who have down syndrome. Down syndrome has been shown to not be heritable. I think homosexuality is Environmental ( hormonal disbalances, lack of essence nutrient and minerals, stress in utero). Though they are not to blame....

Myths & Truths - National Down Syndrome Society

That still indicates that homosexuality has only one base cause. Why can't it have several base causes with choice being among them (although I can't truly call a choice a "cause" but you know what I mean)
 
Didn't see any such reference to attraction... never the less Attraction is with out a doubt learned behavior.

:lamo

That's all this post deserves.
 
:lamo

That's all this post deserves.

Why is that? Go and study any of the classic psychological studies of attraction and you will find the main component is learned behavior. and no I'm not going to post a link, too easy for anyone to just do a google search
 
just google it. easy enough to find the the main components of attraction are learned.

learn (lûrn)
v. learned also learnt (lûrnt), learn·ing, learns
v.tr.
1. To gain knowledge, comprehension, or mastery of through experience or study.
2. To fix in the mind or memory; memorize: learned the speech in a few hours.
3.
a. To acquire experience of or an ability or a skill in: learn tolerance; learned how to whistle.
b. To become aware: learned that it was best not to argue.
4. To become informed of; find out.

So... what part of the above definition supports your scientific declaration that sexual attraction is learned, and not natural?
 
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