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Is Homosexuality A Choice?

Is Homosexuality A Choice?

  • Yes

    Votes: 33 15.9%
  • No

    Votes: 136 65.7%
  • Maybe/Don't Know

    Votes: 38 18.4%

  • Total voters
    207
dang it he's done it agian

The issue is decided

Lock the thread we are done here. He's 110% right I could never ever even entertain the idea of doin' it with a guy, ever.

Of course you can. You can conjure up any image you can imagine and nothing in your brain/mind would stop you. Try thinking of a ..... a .... a 5-headed dog. Go ahead. See the dog with 5 heads. Now try a.... a.... a naked man. You can do that without short-circuiting your brain. Now the naked man is giving you a massage. You can imagine that and nothing in you would stop you except your own habitual/programmed reaction. "Yuck". But you can change that reaction with willpower and effort and re-programming the messages that you have taken in from society and the ones you wrote yourself.
 
Of course you can. You can conjure up any image you can imagine and nothing in your brain/mind would stop you. Try thinking of a ..... a .... a 5-headed dog. Go ahead. See the dog with 5 heads. Now try a.... a.... a naked man. You can do that without short-circuiting your brain. Now the naked man is giving you a massage. You can imagine that and nothing in you would stop you except your own habitual/programmed reaction. "Yuck". But you can change that reaction with willpower and effort and re-programming the messages that you have taken in from society and the ones you wrote yourself.

I get that you're trying to not be offensive, but the problem is you act as if this would never occur to gays and as if this has never been attempted. When even the "ex gay" groups are shutting down, it's time to let go of this myth. Simple conditioning cannot undo the processes that take place in the womb, our genes, brain anatomy etc. Even if it were possible, there is no *deliberate, conscious choice to be homosexual,* which is how I interpret the thread question. If it were that way, people would 'become gay' at different points in life and the 'ex gay' success rate would be far higher.
 
Ok. Agreed on that. My point is still in post 907.

I Don't know about anybody else. I once suffered from borderline scoleciphobia. I still have an aversion to worms, but not so much that loo can't put a hook in one.

I have given my phobia thought and forced myself to deal with it. I wouldn't say its gone because I really have to think about it to make myself handle it.

But I don't have any clue what this has to do with homosexuality.
 
Of course you can. You can conjure up any image you can imagine and nothing in your brain/mind would stop you. Try thinking of a ..... a .... a 5-headed dog. Go ahead. See the dog with 5 heads. Now try a.... a.... a naked man. You can do that without short-circuiting your brain. Now the naked man is giving you a massage. You can imagine that and nothing in you would stop you except your own habitual/programmed reaction. "Yuck". But you can change that reaction with willpower and effort and re-programming the messages that you have taken in from society and the ones you wrote yourself.

Dude, are you actually Navy? Then I have three words for you: Theory to Practice. Unless they are not teaching that any more in the Navy. Just because one can imagine something (theory) does not mean that one can execute it (practice).
 
Concentration. Making the conscious effort to ignore my previous ideas about how-a-woman-should-look. Not so that I am attracted to HER (this ugly girl) specifically. Rather, re-writing the "rules" I follow regarding attraction in general. For example, I can consciously decide that acne and an asymmetrical face are OK. Those are just value-based judgments anyway. Values can change. Then, seeing this chic as not-ugly will be easier. Do you agree thus far?

The only limitations that I can think of, are the will/desire and mental power to pull off such a stunt. But given the accomplishments of the human race to date, I think it is possible. How about you?

I want to suggest to those that think that orientation/attraction is unchangeable, possibly only think so b/c they have not considered the power of concentration and the ease with replacing one value-based judgment with another.

(When I say concentration, I don't mean an image of a buddhist monk trekking to a mountain and making an ice-cold towel on his bareback so hot that it releases steam. Have you seen that discovery channel special? No. I mean just sitting in your recliner and casually thinking about the "other gender" in such a way that it is arousing. Not giving up too soon. If the will to do so is not there, it won't happen. But that doesn't mean its impossible. If the will is there, but it doesn't happen, why can't the reason be something other than: Well it must just be impossible. ?
Well the majority of gay people concentrate really hard on being straight for most of their young lives, and it doesn't work. Not only that, but they never concentrated on becoming gay in the first place, so it clearly is not a choice. If you think homosexuality is a choice, then choose it. Good luck.

Lakryte, are you still saying that anyone who claims to be able to change orientation must be a bisexual? Circular logic.
No, which is why I said you can't choose to have a bisexual orientation. Orientation cannot be chosen. When you talk about people being with girls and then guys, you can only assume they are bisexual. It makes no sense to assume they are changing orientations.
 
This isn't about whether one is for or against gay marriage.....

Simply vote and discuss whether you believe that homosexuals have a choice in the matter, or were simply born that way, with no choice whatsoever.

Please be courteous - thanks in advance.

Homosexuality occurs in all aspects of nature. You can not choose being gay anymore than you can not choose your gender or ethnicity. So if your thinking is otherwise, get over it.
 
The fact that gays can change says they are not born that way...Black and Hispanics can't change..Gays can.
Wrong as always. I can buy purple contact lens to "change" the color of my eyes....the reality is, despite the appearance my eyes are still actually brown.
 
and in other news gay and those who sympathize with them are still up in arms because the vast majority of the population either couldn't car less or thinks they are a buncha sickos, either way where you stick yer whinger isn't of any major import nor does it effect the price of tea in China, now in other other news today the President says that only homosexuals will be allowed to become scoutmasters...
 
What people do phiscally it is a choice but which gender they prefer is not . Its a factor oh how one is raised and expernces through out life is a large determining factor . And the Genes some one posses as well .
 
and in other news gay and those who sympathize with them are still up in arms because the vast majority of the population either couldn't car less or thinks they are a buncha sickos, either way where you stick yer whinger isn't of any major import nor does it effect the price of tea in China, now in other other news today the President says that only homosexuals will be allowed to become scoutmasters...

Well golly gee and dang darn
if a mental illness can be cured merely by removing it from the DSM-II
What other abominably abhorrent deviant behavior can we rid society of next just by rewriting a book?
"Gay and those who sympathize with them" ... ?

Can you at least try to show some decency and compassion? I cannot begin to think of the number of lives that type of rhetoric has destroyed. Friends of mine who have become emotionally damaged, had their families destroyed, who end up self-harming, or -- in the worst case -- have attempted suicide because people like you have nothing better to do with their time, other than to make the lives of other people miserable. What's your issue that you have to be so cruel to another person?
 
and in other news gay and those who sympathize with them are still up in arms because the vast majority of the population either couldn't car less or thinks they are a buncha sickos, either way where you stick yer whinger isn't of any major import nor does it effect the price of tea in China, now in other other news today the President says that only homosexuals will be allowed to become scoutmasters...
The majority of the population thinks they ought to have the same rights as you and I do? That's got to suck for you but you and I have one of many things in common, we will both be dead soon enough and that will solve that as they say.
 
Wrong as always. I can buy purple contact lens to "change" the color of my eyes....the reality is, despite the appearance my eyes are still actually brown.
I used to know a girl who wore those, and had a thing for white slacks that she also wore white panties underneath. Between her eyes and her ass she always managed to make me smile.
 
Can you at least try to show some decency and compassion?

Nope ain't got an ounce of neither, just like tens upon tens of millions of other Americans.
Cry over what other people think (which they are perfectly in their right as Americans)
it sin't gonna change nuthin' Bubby.
 
Nope ain't got an ounce of neither, just like tens upon tens of millions of other Americans.
Cry over what other people think (which they are perfectly in their right as Americans)
it sin't gonna change nuthin' Bubby.
He also has a few bridges to sell you. Barely used, driven upon only by little old ladies on Sundays.
 
I don't choose to be gay, but I do choose to have sex with men. Every time. Oh boy!
 
~ needlessly quoted below ↓
 
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back in the 80's when I was in my 20's I worked as a field technician servicing computers
they hired (another) service manger, when my wife met him she said: you do know he's gay right?
and I'm all like Whaaaa ?!?
She sez: yeah he's too well put together
I'm all like yeah I've noticed that he is always dressed immaculately and is buff n stuff hmmm

heh yeah at the Christmas party he brought his 'boyfriend'
but this guy was no different than anyone else besides dressing too well ;)
and finding out he liked dudes didn't change anything for me.

but the dude that did my wife's hair whoah he really was born that way
he really was a chick born into a dude's body but he (she) was cool as hell
and talked my wife into a really wild 80's haircut for our wedding so I was all good with that.

Just don't scream in my face that you are gay and seek to legislate special privileges
and if I don't think it's 'totally awesome' I'm a stinky piece of excrement!
Only you guys think there is something special about equal rights? The rest of us, the majority now, see it as the right thing to do.
 
Nope ain't got an ounce of neither, just like tens upon tens of millions of other Americans.
Cry over what other people think (which they are perfectly in their right as Americans)
it sin't gonna change nuthin' Bubby.
"Viele kleine Leute in vielen kleinen Orten viele kleine Dinge tun, können die Welt verändern."

It's a mural on the Berlin wall. As I've explained to many of the kids that I've taught, we are human beings limited in our time and energy; facing an eventual end of our lives. All of us are fighting a harder battle than others will ever know. It's not your job to make another person's life worse by being cruel to them: attacking, excluding, slurring and being purposefully hurtful. Compassion is what makes humanity, humanity. No act of that kindness is ever wasted or makes you poorer.

But if you feel momentarily happier because you can log onto the internet and make a gay person feel just as miserable as you by calling them sick and abhorrent; that's your prerogative.

Don't make the mistake of believing you're a good person.
 
shaddup wid that silliness or we'll start passin' lawls like they are in Russia?

yeah ok civil rights has become the reverse discrimination of affirmative action
the sexual revolution free love and feminism has given us 55 million abortions
single family households a divorce rate off the charts rampant teenage pregnancies
and the number of out of wedlock births has risen to the point that its thought of as normal

none of these things are going to be reversed and you can call anyone names that doesn't think
all this crap is progress go on it won't change a thing homosexuality isn't equal (to what?)
and never will be.
I'm gonna have to be cool with Lesbian Navy Seals and army Rangers
but c'mon trying to force the Boyscouts to have homosexual scout masters?
tain't that just a tad bit too much in our faces?
 
make a gay person feel just as miserable

I'm sure most of them are quite miserable without any help from me
and their gayness (happiness) is not my responsibility in the slightest.

heh like when I realized that although I wanted my wife to be happy but I wasn't in charge
of another person's feelings only my own, life became quite grand indeed.
 
shaddup wid that silliness or we'll start passin' lawls like they are in Russia?

yeah ok civil rights has become the reverse discrimination of affirmative action
the sexual revolution free love and feminism has given us 55 million abortions
single family households a divorce rate off the charts rampant teenage pregnancies
and the number of out of wedlock births has risen to the point that its thought of as normal

none of these things are going to be reversed and you can call anyone names that doesn't think
all this crap is progress go on it won't change a thing homosexuality isn't equal (to what?)
and never will be.
I'm gonna have to be cool with Lesbian Navy Seals and army Rangers
but c'mon trying to force the Boyscouts to have homosexual scout masters?
tain't that just a tad bit too much in our faces?
It's equality my man. Your orientation doesn't mean you aren't good with kids, or will try to tuck them into bed, with you. If I had to make the call, based on the numbers, straight men wouldn't be allowed near any group of girls, period.
 
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if 98% of men are straight and you kept them all away from women we'd be extinct in one generation?
oh you said girls so all men (except the homosexual one's) are deviants K I gotcha
 
if 98% of men are straight and you kept them all away from women we'd be extinct in one generation?
oh you said girls so all men (except the homosexual one's) are deviants K I gotcha
I said nothing of the kind. I said look at the numbers. If you want to cut down on the numbers of children raped by men, you'd eventually get to homosexual men, after you combed through the biggest group of offenders by many times over, straight men.
 
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