Is Homosexuality A Choice?

So this may have already been posted but the when I looked up the definition of defect I found "Imperfection, flaw, or deficiency." Who gets to decide what is defined as such?

opendebate said:

But you are making the assumption that it is vexing to those people, more or less imposing your judgement on their choices. Again, why would we not rather chose to evolve and be more excepting and tolerant of the choices people make in their private lives? It seems like a much more valuable evolution than to force a limited perception of what is and is not acceptable on people who differ from us.

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Homosexuality is a choice?

TiredOfLife said:

The word "defect" is by definition an opinion. It means this we like and this we don't. and applies to what we create, not what nature creates. She can mess around as much as she likes, and she does. It's evolution, which I know, you don't believe in either.

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Definition of DEFECT
1a : an imperfection that impairs worth or utility :

ChrisL said:

Homosexuality is a choice?

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Are you asking me if I believe it is a choice? If so , then no. It is not a choice. How does that effect anything? (no sarcasm)

opendebate said:

But some so called defects are only termed a defect because they differ from the norm. I can understand trying to cure "defects" if they are detrimental to the individual or others, like being a child molester for instance. But how does someone elses sexuality, when practiced consensually, hurt anyone else or them for that matter?

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there does not have to be an outside victim for a defect to be present, if we could cure breast cancer and the genes that predetermine people that have it we should ignore the cure?

opendebate said:

Are you asking me if I believe it is a choice? If so , then no. It is not a choice. How does that effect anything? (no sarcasm)

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Well then you need to change your last post to me to make sense and reflect your feelings.

Rocketman said:

there does not have to be an outside victim for a defect to be present, if we could cure breast cancer and the genes that predetermine people that have it we should ignore the cure?

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But homosexuality isn't life threatening (unless you live in Alabama maybe) And again, it is only a struggle because it is "socially" unacceptable. it's really not the same thing.

Rocketman said:

Definition of DEFECT
1a : an imperfection that impairs worth or utility :

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And who is the judge of that? It's us not nature. She makes adjustments all the time. If making babies is your standard of "utility", every man should have sex with every woman he can, even if he has to rape them to do so. I wouldn't go there if I were you.

opendebate said:

But homosexuality isn't life threatening (unless you live in Alabama maybe) And again, it is only a struggle because it is "socially" unacceptable. it's really not the same thing.

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Both are defects with genes, correct or not correct?

TiredOfLife said:

And who is the judge of that? It's us not nature. She makes adjustments all the time. If making babies is your standard of "utility", every man should have sex with every woman he can, even if he has to rape them to do so. I wouldn't go there if I were you.

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deep end much?:roll:

ChrisL said:

Well then you need to change your last post to me to make sense and reflect your feelings.

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Not sure what you are referring too. Is it this

It's like any other brand of sexuality.

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If this is what you are referring to then you are making the assumption that I believe all shapes and brands of sexuality are conscious choices we make and then my comparison would make homosexuality also a choice. But what I actually believe is that what a person is drawn to sexually is most often not a choice. What turns you on just turns you on.

opendebate said:

Not sure what you are referring too. Is it this If this is what you are referring to then you are making the assumption that I believe all shapes and brands of sexuality are conscious choices we make and then my comparison would make homosexuality also a choice. But what I actually believe is that what a person is drawn to sexually is most often not a choice. What turns you on just turns you on.

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I'm referring to the post you made to me where you insinuated that it was a choice and something else about "me" getting in the way of people's "choices" somehow.

Where you got that second quote, I don't know, but it wasn't mine.

ChrisL said:

I'm referring to the post you made to me where you insinuated that it was a choice and something else about "me" getting in the way of people's "choices" somehow.

Where you got that second quote, I don't know, but it wasn't mine.

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Okay, so back up. You accuse me of misrepresenting myself but can't tell me where?? I think you probably misunderstood my post..

opendebate said:

But you are making the assumption that it is vexing to those people, more or less imposing your judgement on their choices. Again, why would we not rather chose to evolve and be more excepting and tolerant of the choices people make in their private lives? It seems like a much more valuable evolution than to force a limited perception of what is and is not acceptable on people who differ from us.

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opendebate said:

Okay, so back up. You accuse me of misrepresenting myself but can't tell me where?? I think you probably misunderstood my post..

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Good God, you're actually going to make me quote that post. Okay, here it is above. :roll:

ChrisL said:

Good God, you're actually going to make me quote that post. Okay, here it is above. :roll:

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If you make the accusation you should be capable of actually referencing the post you are referring to.

This shows the post where I said you are imposing your judgments on others, which by my estimations you are, but where did you get the one about me saying Homosexuality is a choice?

opendebate said:

If you make the accusation you should be capable of actually referencing the post you are referring to.

This shows the post where I said you are imposing your judgments on others, which by my estimations you are, but where did you get the one about me saying Homosexuality is a choice?

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The statement in bold.

opendebate said:

But you are making the assumption that it is vexing to those people, more or less imposing your judgement on their choices. Again, why would we not rather chose to evolve and be more excepting and tolerant of the choices people make in their private lives? It seems like a much more valuable evolution than to force a limited perception of what is and is not acceptable on people who differ from us.

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Actually, this bold part too.

ChrisL said:

The statement in bold.

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Okay, let's try this again. When you post the response to me "Homosexuality is a choice?" What did that mean?

opendebate said:

Okay, let's try this again. When you post the response to me "Homosexuality is a choice?" What did that mean?

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You insinuated that it was choice twice in your post.

Boo Radley said:

No, I said they had to be open to the experience in order to choose. You leap into a discussion completely lacking any understanding of what was being said.

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You were the one that responded to me: "Did you try out sex with each?"

As the quote says you asked if I had tried sex with males and females first before I made my decision. You seem to be the one trying wiggle your way out of being shown to be wrong by denying what you actually said. ANd so that I wouldnt get it wrong you said this: "No, dogs can't consent. But when I shop for cars, I try them out. Kick the tires. I didn't marry the first female I won't out with. I checked more than a few out. You can't really choose if you don't."

Right there you claimed that no one could choose without trying it out first. Then you started being snarky: "Try to grasp the concept."

I asked you for clarity and you gave me this: "You must be able to realistically consider sex with both sexes as a possibility. Kissing someone of the same sex must be seen as enjoyable, just as enjoyable as with the opposite sex. Just as we pet and neck with one sex growing up, to be a choice, we must do the same with the other. Otherwise, the choice is not a choice. Something else is dictating what we do."

You want a mechanism but refused to offer one yourself.

Then you went on to say this: "As I have said, choice lies in the ability to do both. Only those who can realistically consider both have choice." Where you back pedaled slightly. Now you dont require actually trying something in order to make a choice but just consider the concept.

Then you tell me that we are not talking about individuals. But dude that was indeed what I was talking about and said so several times. I can help it if you dont want to talk about the same thing that i was talking about before you responded to me. that would make you the one that leaped in without knowing what we were talking about.


So again I give you this link: The American Psychological Association: Sexual orientation and homosexuality


I tend to listen to people in the field of study instead of some guy on the internet (that would be you). The link above takes you to a short question and answer page about Sexual orientation and homosexuality. You claimed to have read the link and that there wasnt anything on it that you havenet heard before. But you didnt dispute any of it either. (you just made another snarky irrelevant remark again meh) SO I had to assume that the information that I provided was not disagreeable to you. But obviously you didnt even bother to read or understand the content of that link. In it they clearly leave room for a small percentage of people being able to make a choice about their sexuality. That small percentage (or what you referred to as individuals) is the exact same claim that I made that you responded to and called nonsense and started out exchange.

Now you are trying to act as if I have no clue, but it is you that has no clue and was shown to be wrong.

Read this: Sexual Orientation | Psychology Today

What is Sexual Orientation?
Sexual Orientation is a term used to describe our patterns of emotional, romantic, and sexual attraction—and our sense of personal and social identity based on those attractions. Recent research suggests that a person's sexual orientation is not a black or white matter; sexual orientation exists along a continuum, with exclusive attraction to the opposite sex on one pole and exclusive attraction to the same sex on the other.

Heterosexuality (attraction to members of the opposite sex), homosexuality (attraction to members of the same sex), and bisexuality (attraction to members of either sex) are the three most commonly discussed categories of sexual orientation.

Few issues are as hotly contested as what determines a person's sexual orientation. While most scientists agree that nature and nurture both play complex roles, the determinants of sexual orientation are still poorly understood. Current reseach into its underpinnings frequently focuses on the role of genes, environment, brain structure, and hormones.

ChrisL said:

Actually, this bold part too.

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Okay, then I see your point. I was addressing a larger issue of being more tolerant of one another in general, in a broader sense. I was putting sexual orientation into the same basket of tolerance regardless of whether it is a choice or not. I will clarify. I do not think sexual orientation is a choice but I don't really think it matters. I don't care what wallpaper you chose or if you chose to be a vegan so why should I care about whom you chose to bed with? I will refer my earlier point, the only way in which homosexuality complicates someones life is the judgment of others. I see us collectively, benefiting more by accepting people and allowing them to be who they are rather than trying to force everyone into the same narrow mold.

opendebate said:

Okay, then I see your point. I was addressing a larger issue of being more tolerant of one another in general, in a broader sense. I was putting sexual orientation into the same basket of tolerance regardless of whether it is a choice or not. I will clarify. I do not think sexual orientation is a choice but I don't really think it matters. I don't care what wallpaper you chose or if you chose to be a vegan so why should I care about whom you chose to bed with? I will refer my earlier point, the only way in which homosexuality complicates someones life is the judgment of others. I see us collectively, benefiting more by accepting people and allowing them to be who they are rather than trying to force everyone into the same narrow mold.

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I don't see that happening any time soon.

ChrisL said:

I don't see that happening any time soon.

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That's unfortunate

opendebate said:

That's unfortunate

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Well, all you have to do is read some of the posts and threads and watch the news. It's pretty obvious that there are a lot of people who are just not ready to accept.

Personally, I don't care what kind of sex people have. I don't really understand it, but I don't have anything against homosexuals. :shrug:

ChrisL said:

Well, all you have to do is read some of the posts and threads and watch the news. It's pretty obvious that there are a lot of people who are just not ready to accept.

Personally, I don't care what kind of sex people have. I don't really understand it, but I don't have anything against homosexuals. :shrug:

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I don't disagree with you, social evolution moves a glacial pace. But it is unfortunate.