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Is Homosexuality A Choice?

Is Homosexuality A Choice?

  • Yes

    Votes: 33 15.9%

  • No

    Votes: 136 65.7%

  • Maybe/Don't Know

    Votes: 38 18.4%
  • Total voters
    207
davidtaylorjr said:
Ever heard of the Inspiration of God?
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"God inspired me to hate"
therefore I hate............
as I am unable to think for myself.....
yes, I think I have heard of this "inspiration......."
Something intangible based something intanagible..........something that many claim to not exist.
But I still have faith, but NOT in the same things....
 
Captain Adverse said:
Yes, I have. It has caused more problems and more divisions within the Christiam Church than in any other religious organization. At last count over 41,000! They can't ALL be right, can they?

Then how many different versions of the Bible are there? Estimates of anywhere from a few dozens to several hundred, depending on which authority you believe. They can't ALL be right, can they?

Personally, I adhere to those parts of the Bible where God has issued direct commandments, and this includes those laid out by his incarnation on earth, Jesus Christ. (Who clearly stated many many times, no human being is capable of judging the sins of another human being, that is the sole perview of God.) Aside from Leviticus 18:22 which forbids sodomy, there is not a single admonition or command from God (or Jesus) which forbids or comdemns homosexuality.
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The principle is definitely there.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
The principle is definitely there.
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Again, with all due respect, that is merely your OPINION of what our God expects. Granted it is shared by most Christians, but certainly not by a relatively small, but growing minority of us.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
You assume sexuality is separate from acts.
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no i dont assume anything they factually are separate
your statement was wrong and theres no chaining that fact

again i ask you if you disagree by all means please provide proof, otherwise you are just continuing to be dishonest.

simply question is heterosexuality a sin?
 
AGENT J said:
no i dont assume anything they factually are separate
your statement was wrong and theres no chaining that fact

again i ask you if you disagree by all means please provide proof, otherwise you are just continuing to be dishonest.

simply question is heterosexuality a sin?
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Yes, it is. It is part of the sin nature for some individuals. The choice to keep doing it is the act. They are not mutually exclusive, they go hand in hand.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
1.)_Yes, it is.
2.) It is part of the sin nature for some individuals.
3.)The choice to keep doing it is the act.
4.)They are not mutually exclusive, they go hand in hand.
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1.) so all heterosexuality is sin? LMAO
2.) ahhh seee there you go for SOME? make up your mid
3.) again here we go, its a choice to do the ACT but you just saaid they werent separate last post
4.) and again here you go contradicting yourself

sorry dude you are factually wrong and now yo are despreately struggling

nothing you just said even makes sense it all contradicts itself

heterosexuality and homosexuality alone are factually not since this fact has been proven and you have provided ZERO evidence and facts to change this

sexuality and acts are also 100% seperate, this fact also will not change and you havent presented any facts of evidence to change this either

not sure why you keep being so dishonest maybe you simply just dont understand the facts or are ignorant to reality.

Ill reflect back in cause you are lost. Here are 2 facts.

1.)Homosexuality and heterosexuality by themselves are factually not sins

if you have any facts proving otherwise state them now

2.) sexuality and ACTS are 100% separate

if you have any facts proving otherwise please also state those
 
Lakryte said:
Why do you believe that?
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I believe that if someone gets to be rubbed the right way that they can learn to like it and then adapt to the person doing the rubbing.
 
AGENT J said:
1.) so all heterosexuality is sin? LMAO
2.) ahhh seee there you go for SOME? make up your mid
3.) again here we go, its a choice to do the ACT but you just saaid they werent separate last post
4.) and again here you go contradicting yourself

sorry dude you are factually wrong and now yo are despreately struggling

nothing you just said even makes sense it all contradicts itself

heterosexuality and homosexuality alone are factually not since this fact has been proven and you have provided ZERO evidence and facts to change this

sexuality and acts are also 100% seperate, this fact also will not change and you havent presented any facts of evidence to change this either

not sure why you keep being so dishonest maybe you simply just dont understand the facts or are ignorant to reality.

Ill reflect back in cause you are lost. Here are 2 facts.

1.)Homosexuality and heterosexuality by themselves are factually not sins

if you have any facts proving otherwise state them now

2.) sexuality and ACTS are 100% separate

if you have any facts proving otherwise please also state those
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Sorry misread, thought you said homosexuality. Cheap trick.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
Sorry misread, thought you said homosexuality. Cheap trick.
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there is no trick it doesn't matter if i said homosexuality or heterosexuality neither are sins themselves and both are separate from acts.

so are you now admitting that sexuality is not a sin?
 
AGENT J said:
there is no trick it doesn't matter if i said homosexuality or heterosexuality neither are sins themselves and both are separate from acts.

so are you now admitting that sexuality is not a sin?
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Sexuality, is not a sin, however, the way you implement that sexuality can be.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
Sexuality, is not a sin, however, the way you implement that sexuality can be.
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correct this is why you were wrong twice now, are you ready to show integrity and admit that?
 
AGENT J said:
correct this is why you were wrong twice now, are you ready to show integrity and admit that?
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Ok, explain to me again how that is different than what I have been saying? Trying to be clear here.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
I'm not really sure the social stigma compares to death.
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Most societies have made at least some allowance for homosexuality. While it has never been truly accepted in any culture's version of "polite society," in most cases, homosexuality is not the certain death sentence you seem to view it as being.

I'm assuming because the fall back of the afterlife in Heaven was deemed worth it.
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Perhaps, but I would still say that it was a rather irrational decision on the whole given the circumstances.

Wait. If it's their personal preference to embrace the 'homosexual lifestyle', then how is it really a choice? Do you 'choose' your taste in music?
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Is a fundamentally irresistible genetic compulsion towards certain forms of music necessarily required for a given individual to prefer rock over country, or hip-hop over rhythm and blues?

Generally speaking, I would be inclined to say that it is not. One's preference is a function of individual choice more than anything else. People choose to associate themselves with certain genres because they, on some level, speak to that individual's environmentally determined sensibilities or outlook on life.

It is the same with many of the more bizarre fetishes out there, like extreme BDSM, bestiality, or fecalphelia. The idea that all of these rather diverse forms of sexual expression could be driven by biological compulsion alone is rather far-fetched to say the least.

Likewise for the various "gray areas" which exist in many cultures around the world.

In many parts of the Middle East, for instance, it is common for supposedly "straight" men with wives and children to seek out young boys for sex and go back to their families afterwards as if nothing at all had happened. In other parts of the world, literal shaved apes have been used for purposes of prostitution.

Would you say that these cases are more indicative of biological compulsion, or simple voluntary perversion? The former explanation would seem to be unlikely.

I'd say that personal choice very likely accounts for a far larger share of human behavior than you might realize.
 
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davidtaylorjr said:
Ok, explain to me again how that is different than what I have been saying? Trying to be clear here.
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easy

the facts i specifically spelled out that you called WRONG multiple times, i can qoute you if you like

homosexuality is NOT a sin by its self, you called this wrong many times
homosexuality is separate form acts(implementation), you called this wrong also

NOW you are saying homosexuality is not a sin but the implantation(acts) can be

this is 100% different from what you have said many many many times

so again are you willing to admit you were factually wrong or are you trying to deny you said those things and ill just simply quote the many times you did say it
 
AGENT J said:
easy

the facts i specifically spelled out that you called WRONG multiple times, i can qoute you if you like

homosexuality is NOT a sin by its self, you called this wrong many times
homosexuality is separate form acts(implementation), you called this wrong also

NOW you are saying homosexuality is not a sin but the implantation(acts) can be

this is 100% different from what you have said many many many times

so again are you willing to admit you were factually wrong or are you trying to deny you said those things and ill just simply quote the many times you did say it
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No that is not what I am saying. I am saying that sexuality in of itself is not a sin. Heterosexuality is not sin, certain acts of it can be but it is not. However, homosexuality is sin and must be turned from. It's acts are also sin.
 
Nightrider said:
This isn't about whether one is for or against gay marriage.....

Simply vote and discuss whether you believe that homosexuals have a choice in the matter, or were simply born that way, with no choice whatsoever.

Please be courteous - thanks in advance.
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It's not a choice.

It would be nice to be able to choose who you were attracted to though, there were a lot of wealthy men out there who fell for me and I just didn't feel the same way. I could be living in a million dollar home with a maid a cook and carrying around a cute little puppy dog in my purse right now.

I think everybody has those people out there who are good people who you want to feel the same way about but you just don't...you don't choose that it just is what it is. I mean I can't wake up one day and say I think I'm going to be attracted to women anymore than a lesbian could wake up one day and say "I'm going to choose to be attracted to men."
 
davidtaylorjr said:
1.)No that is not what I am saying. I am saying that sexuality in of itself is not a sin.
2.) Heterosexuality is not sin, certain acts of it can be but it is not.
3.) However, homosexuality is sin and must be turned from.
4.) It's acts are also sin.
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1.) so then you CHANGED your stance because i said that earlier multiple times and you said i was wrong lol
2.) there is no separating them, its sexuality period
3.) homosexuality itslef is not a sin this fact will never change and if you disagree AGAIN i ask you to factually prove otherwise
4.) its acts maybe a sin depending on your beliefs

no you are back pedaling and saying sexuality and acts can be spereate earlier you said they cant be, make up your mind lol

so to reflect you are still currently wrong and these facts remain unchanged

sexuality ?(homo or hetero) is not a sin
sexuality is separate form acts

if you have ANY facts what so ever to prove otherwise please post them now or simply continue to be dishonest either way the facts wont change and you are still wrong.
 
AGENT J said:
1.) so then you CHANGED your stance because i said that earlier multiple times and you said i was wrong lol
2.) there is no separating them, its sexuality period
3.) homosexuality itslef is not a sin this fact will never change and if you disagree AGAIN i ask you to factually prove otherwise
4.) its acts maybe a sin depending on your beliefs

no you are back pedaling and saying sexuality and acts can be spereate earlier you said they cant be, make up your mind lol

so to reflect you are still currently wrong and these facts remain unchanged

sexuality ?(homo or hetero) is not a sin
sexuality is separate form acts

if you have ANY facts what so ever to prove otherwise please post them now or simply continue to be dishonest either way the facts wont change and you are still wrong.
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Let's get one thing straight. You are talking about MY religion, how do you know what is or is not wrong in MY religion? We obviously do not believe the same things, or follow the same religion.
 
Removable Mind said:
Your post makes sense to me. While I'm heterosexual, I don't recall having made a choice. I can't explain my attraction to females. I've always assumed that my sexual orientation is an immutable characteristic.

The above said, while I think that environmental homosexuality exist, I believe it's the exception, not the rule. In fact, I can even believe that there are homosexuals who become environment heterosexuals.

But the bottom line for me is that I believe that sexual orientation is an immutable characteristic for most people...regardless of what their sexual orientation is.

At what point in time (prior to our birth) did any of us check off a selection list of immutable characteristics as preferences for our existence here on good old planet earth? And if there was such a list...who or what in the hell made it up? Who or what would ensure such a list be manifested into a human being as per such a list?

I suggest that such a list is impossible.

And furthermore, I suggest that we (all humans) are an uncontrollable product of circumstance of birth in which we had no way to design ourselves. In other words, we are born just the way we are...without any predetermination as to any of our immutable characteristics.

Thanks for your post...
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Exactly how does that contradict my post? We seem to be in agreement...
 
AliHajiSheik said:
I believe that if someone gets to be rubbed the right way that they can learn to like it and then adapt to the person doing the rubbing.
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That doesn't change their attraction to that person though. Homosexuality is not defined by who you get rubbed by.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
1.)Let's get one thing straight.
2.)You are talking about MY religion, how do you know what is or is not wrong in MY religion?
3.)We obviously do not believe the same things,
4.)or follow the same religion.
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1.) its mine too
2.) yes i do and YOU proved it by qouting what is sin, it supported me and proved you wrong
3.) this is true because you believe things that are factually untrue
4.) we do follow the same religion

now if you would please stop being dishonest and continue to get upset or admit you are factually wrong

provide the evidence based off of YOUR religion has to why homosexuality itself is a sin, id love to read it, so far everything you have posted proves that wrong.
 
Lakryte said:
Exactly how does that contradict my post? We seem to be in agreement...
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I wasn't contradicting your post. In fact, I am in total agreement. As I stated, "Your post make sense."

Sorry if I failed to make it clear.

My point is that it seems that a lot of people can somehow justify their prejudices against others without considering what makes them who they are...or how they came to be who they are. I'm amazed in this day and age that people can't be honest with themselves by acknowledging their very own immutable characteristics, which they played no role in or in any way participated in their own design. If they had no choice in having blue eye, their height, their foot size, hair color...etc. What make them think that others do? And how can people be so cognitively rigid as to not believe that sexual orientation is as immutable as their eye color, hair, ..etc.?
 
Removable Mind said:
I wasn't contradicting your post. In fact, I am in total agreement. As I stated, "Your post make sense."

Sorry if I failed to make it clear.

My point is that it seems that a lot of people can somehow justify their prejudices against others without considering what makes them who they are...or how they came to be who they are. I'm amazed in this day and age that people can't be honest with themselves by acknowledging their very own immutable characteristics, which they played no role in or in any way participated in their own design. If they had no choice in having blue eye, their height, their foot size, hair color...etc. What make them think that others do? And how can people be so cognitively rigid as to not believe that sexual orientation is as immutable as their eye color, hair, ..etc.?
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Sorry, I totally missed that. You made it clear, I just for some reason didn't see it.
 
Lakryte said:
That doesn't change their attraction to that person though. Homosexuality is not defined by who you get rubbed by.
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How do you know it isn't? Sometimes it can also become about group identification. Again, my opinion is that there are a percent for whom it is a choice and a percent for whom it is innate and that the percentage of both is above 0%.
 
Gathomas88 said:
Most societies have made at least some allowance for homosexuality. While it has never been truly accepted in any culture's version of "polite society," in most cases, homosexuality is not the certain death sentence you seem to view it as being.
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Was there not a case where homosexuals were given the death penalty?


One's preference is a function of individual choice more than anything else.
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How so?

I love the band Boston, because I find their music very enjoyable and catchy. I don't simply stop liking Boston. Nor do I suddenly start liking Kayne West's newest albums.

Even if I stopped listening to "More Than a Feeling", does that mean I don't like?

It is the same with many of the more bizarre fetishes out there, like extreme BDSM, bestiality, or fecalphelia. The idea that all of these rather diverse forms of sexual expression could be driven by biological compulsion alone is rather far-fetched to say the least.
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If I remember correctly, sexual fetishes were believed to be caused by lack of exposure to 'normal' sexual stimulation during adolescence.


I'd say that personal choice very likely accounts for a far larger share of human behavior than you might realize.
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Depends on the human behavior in question.
 
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