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Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

Should reciprication of permits be mandatory?

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Black Manta said:
Why don't you just apply for a Florida CCW as it covers all those states and you can get one as a non resident. It is also good for 7 years.

Didn't your all mighty instructors tell you this?
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Actually yes, they did. The LegalHeat class I have a certificate from is not honored by Florida because it is not NRA approved. Florida won't accept my DD214 or BCT certificate since I never qualified with the pistol in the service. http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/FORMS/ConcealedWeaponLicenseApplicationInstructions.pdf


Arizona honors my LegalHeat class, Florida does not, and I don't have the time to take another class right now.
 
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NIMBY said:
I've got no problem with the 2nd amendment and your comment on gun permits from the ATF. I believe the 10th is the Queen Bee and was deliberately placed last in the BOR. I believe the 10th almost cost us the Constitution and then caused the civil war. It is well on its way to causing another one, IMHO, only this time in nearly every state.

As for having a permit, I would consider that a badge of honor after passing all the training. I'll always believe the NRA training given to my wife's nephew by his Mother saved his ass in Iraq during 3 missions, including Fallujah.
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I'm unsure what part of my comment you are taking issue with.
 
Jerry said:
Actually yes, they did. The LegalHeat class I have a certificate from is not honored by Florida because it is not NRA approved. Florida won't accept my DD214 or BCT certificate since I never qualified with the pistol in the service. Arizona honors my LegalHeat class, Florida does not, and I don't have the time to take another class right now.
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That is too bad. I can carry pretty much anyplace I go and it is easy since I don't go to the NE. Only place I have to put it away is Illinois. Of course I don't go any further north than that either.

It's funny you insulted my knowledge of Illinois law. I did not need to, but took the Florida class because I wanted to know Florida law as well. You should not assume I am lying or pulling your leg because I don't. After 4 years you should know this. You should also know it is impossible for anyone to know all the laws both Federal and state in any case.
 
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NIMBY said:
The part about not having to have a permit at all.
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It's like being required to have a permit to go to church and wear a crucifix.

It's because of the 10th Amendment that states do not have the authority to require gun permits. All these state permits I'm running around and collecting are all illegal because each one is a violation of the 10th Amendment.....but that's the only way to carry a gun around here, so, **** it.
 
Jerry said:
I cannot object to requiring an ID to carry a gun since I support requiring an ID to vote. That would make me a hypocrite.
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A person voting illegally—either someone who isn't eligible to vote in that election, or who casts multiple votes or otherwise corrupts the electoral process—violates the rights of every legitimate voter by diluting their legitimate votes. This creates a legitimate reason to require voters to prove who they are, and their eligibility to cast a vote.

No similar reason exists to require ID for the right to keep and bear arms. Every free citizen has this right, and there is no way that one person, by exercising this right, violates someone else's right to exercise it as well.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
A person voting illegally—either someone who isn't eligible to vote in that election, or who casts multiple votes or otherwise corrupts the electoral process—violates the rights of every legitimate voter by diluting their legitimate votes. This creates a legitimate reason to require voters to prove who they are, and their eligibility to cast a vote.

No similar reason exists to require ID for the right to keep and bear arms. Every free citizen has this right, and there is no way that one person, by exercising this right, violates someone else's right to exercise it as well.
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A person voting carrying a gun illegally-- .....I mean, come on, you can do better than that.
 
You'd be surprised at how gun-friendly the states are that border Canada. ALL of them seem to have a special story. The Northeast Kingdom in Vermont is like Jurassic Park and very conservative. They hunt, they eat what they kill, they burn wood almost exclusively for heat, are very French Catholic, but don't mind registering their weapons, and are wondering where all the 22 bullets went. they can't find any. Then there's Northern maine, with a Congressional District that sometimes goes to Repubs in the EC. Trouble is, they all hate Romney in the NE. They remember well what he did with Bain and as governor.And you know Northern NH is con. They still have anti-Obama signs all over. Try Northern New York, very con all across the state, etc.
Black Manta said:
That is too bad. I can carry pretty much anyplace I go and it is easy since I don't go to the NE. Only place I have to put it away is Illinois. Of course I don't go any furthAer north than that either.

It's funny you insulted my knowledge of Illinois law but I did not need to, but took the Florida class because I wanted to know Florida law as well. You should not assume I am lying or pulling your leg because I don't. After 4 years you should know this. You should also know it is impossible for anyone to know all the laws both Federal and state in any case.
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NIMBY said:
You'd be surprised at how gun-friendly the states are that border Canada. ALL of them seem to have a special story. The Northeast Kingdom in Vermont is like Jurassic Park and very conservative. They hunt, they eat what they kill, they burn wood almost exclusively for heat, are very French Catholic, but don't mind registering their weapons, and are wondering where all the 22 bullets went. they can't find any. Then there's Northern maine, with a Congressional District that sometimes goes to Repubs in the EC. Trouble is, they all hate Romney in the NE. They remember well what he did with Bain and as governor.And you know Northern NH is con. They still have anti-Obama signs all over. Try Northern New York, very con all across the state, etc.
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Man oh man, had no idea. I am just going by the states that do not recognize the Florida CCW license: California, Connecticut, District of Columbia, Guam, Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nevada, New Jersey, New York, New York City, Oregon, Puerto Rico, Rhode Island, Virgin Islands, Washington, Wisconsin, American Samoa, Illinois, N. Mariana Islands. Only 22 of them, And Guam, Puerto Rico, American Samoa and the Virgin Islands I don't care about anyway. but I still stay out of the other 18.
 
Each state gets to make it's own laws. Fed keep nose out of it.

If you don't like your states laws, agitate for change.
If you don't like another states laws, don't go there.

Diversity is good.

I don't want the 50 states to resemble a 1950s realestate development.

All the same, ticky tacky boxes.
 
Black Manta said:
Man oh man, had no idea. I am just going by the states that do not recognize the Florida CCW license: California, Connecticut, District of Columbia, Guam, Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nevada, New Jersey, New York, New York City, Oregon, Puerto Rico, Rhode Island, Virgin Islands, Washington, Wisconsin, American Samoa, Illinois, N. Mariana Islands. Only 22 of them, And Guam, Puerto Rico, American Samoa and the Virgin Islands I don't care about anyway. but I still stay out of the other 18.
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I'm a native Florida cracker.

I love Florida and it's laws.

I've walked into the bank wearing a 44 on my hip. Forgot to take it off. It feels so natural and I'm so accustomed to it.

But that's open carry.
I like Florida's "Shall issue" law on CCW. Also, "stand your ground"

Florida is a GREAT state!

Come visit!

but leave things the way you find them.

Isn't that the rule for campers and hikers in state and national parks?

It's a good rule when visiting other peoples states, too. :)
 
yobarnacle said:
I'm a native Florida cracker.

I love Florida and it's laws.

I've walked into the bank wearing a 44 on my hip. Forgot to take it off. It feels so natural and I'm so accustomed to it.

But that's open carry.
I like Florida's "Shall issue" law on CCW. Also, "stand your ground"

Florida is a GREAT state!

Come visit!

but leave things the way you find them.

Isn't that the rule for campers and hikers in state and national parks?

It's a good rule when visiting other peoples states, too. :)
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Florida has no open carry? I've lived here in Florida for the last 7 years, since I retired.

Thanks though.
 
Black Manta said:
Florida has no open carry? I've lived here in Florida for the last 7 years, since I retired.

Thanks though.
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Summary
Florida is not a traditional open carry state.
Open Carry is lawful while engaged in, or going directly to and from, lawful Target Shooting, Hunting, Fishing, and Camping expeditions. FL Statutes 790.35(3)(h), (j), and (k)

Florida | OpenCarry.org

It was certainly an oversight/error on my part to enter the bank and stand in line wearing a holstered pistol.

the guard kept a watchful eye on me, which clued me to look down and see I was armed, as I wasn't consciously aware of being armed.
However, nobody said ANYTHING, or complained!
It was apparently in the mind of everyone in the bank, that I was not a "danger", and while not "normal", not a cause for alarm.

I love Florida. :)
 
yobarnacle said:
Summary
Florida is not a traditional open carry state.
Open Carry is lawful while engaged in, or going directly to and from, lawful Target Shooting, Hunting, Fishing, and Camping expeditions. FL Statutes 790.35(3)(h), (j), and (k)

Florida | OpenCarry.org

It was certainly an oversight/error on my part to enter the bank and stand in line wearing a holstered pistol.

the guard kept a watchful eye on me, which clued me to look down and see I was armed, as I wasn't consciously aware of being armed.
However, nobody said ANYTHING, or complained!
It was apparently in the mind of everyone in the bank, that I was not a "danger", and while not "normal", not a cause for alarm.

I love Florida. :)
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Section 790.35 does not exist in Florida law. I can't find anything on it anywhere. The link your site points to is dead. Open carry is banned in Florida, period. No exceptions.
 
Black Manta said:
Section 790.35 does not exist in Florida law. I can't find anything on it anywhere. The link your site points to is dead. Open carry is banned in Florida, period. No exceptions.
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Sorry about the dead link.

this one works and says same thing (almost). :)

790.25 Lawful ownership, possession, and use of firearms and other weapons.—


(g) Regularly enrolled members of any organization duly authorized to purchase or receive weapons from the United States or from this state, or regularly enrolled members of clubs organized for target, skeet, or trap shooting, while at or going to or from shooting practice; or regularly enrolled members of clubs organized for modern or antique firearms collecting, while such members are at or going to or from their collectors’ gun shows, conventions, or exhibits;
(h) A person engaged in fishing, camping, or lawful hunting or going to or returning from a fishing, camping, or lawful hunting expedition;
(i) A person engaged in the business of manufacturing, repairing, or dealing in firearms, or the agent or representative of any such person while engaged in the lawful course of such business;
(j) A person firing weapons for testing or target practice under safe conditions and in a safe place not prohibited by law or going to or from such place;
(k) A person firing weapons in a safe and secure indoor range for testing and target practice;
(l) A person traveling by private conveyance when the weapon is securely encased or in a public conveyance when the weapon is securely encased and not in the person’s manual possession;
(m) A person while carrying a pistol unloaded and in a secure wrapper, concealed or otherwise, from the place of purchase to his or her home or place of business or to a place of repair or back to his or her home or place of business;
(n) A person possessing arms at his or her home or place of business;

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine
 
yobarnacle said:
Sorry about the dead link.

this one works and says same thing (almost). :)

790.25 Lawful ownership, possession, and use of firearms and other weapons.—


(g) Regularly enrolled members of any organization duly authorized to purchase or receive weapons from the United States or from this state, or regularly enrolled members of clubs organized for target, skeet, or trap shooting, while at or going to or from shooting practice; or regularly enrolled members of clubs organized for modern or antique firearms collecting, while such members are at or going to or from their collectors’ gun shows, conventions, or exhibits;
(h) A person engaged in fishing, camping, or lawful hunting or going to or returning from a fishing, camping, or lawful hunting expedition;
(i) A person engaged in the business of manufacturing, repairing, or dealing in firearms, or the agent or representative of any such person while engaged in the lawful course of such business;
(j) A person firing weapons for testing or target practice under safe conditions and in a safe place not prohibited by law or going to or from such place;
(k) A person firing weapons in a safe and secure indoor range for testing and target practice;
(l) A person traveling by private conveyance when the weapon is securely encased or in a public conveyance when the weapon is securely encased and not in the person’s manual possession;
(m) A person while carrying a pistol unloaded and in a secure wrapper, concealed or otherwise, from the place of purchase to his or her home or place of business or to a place of repair or back to his or her home or place of business;
(n) A person possessing arms at his or her home or place of business;

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine
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None of that allows open carry. I am not saying you did not walk into a bank, lol. I am saying open carry is illegal and banned in the state of Florida. They are however still fighting it in court.

790.053 Open carrying of weapons.—
(1) Except as otherwise provided by law and in subsection (2), it is unlawful for any person to openly carry on or about his or her person any firearm or electric weapon or device. It is not a violation of this section for a person licensed to carry a concealed firearm as provided in s. 790.06(1), and who is lawfully carrying a firearm in a concealed manner, to briefly and openly display the firearm to the ordinary sight of another person, unless the firearm is intentionally displayed in an angry or threatening manner, not in necessary self-defense.
(2) A person may openly carry, for purposes of lawful self-defense:
(a) A self-defense chemical spray.
(b) A nonlethal stun gun or dart-firing stun gun or other nonlethal electric weapon or device that is designed solely for defensive purposes.
(3) Any person violating this section commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
History.—s. 1, ch. 87-537; s. 173, ch. 91-224; s. 3, ch. 97-72; s. 1205, ch. 97-102; s. 3, ch. 2006-298; s. 1, ch. 2011-145. - Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine
 
NIMBY said:
I don't think so. I think the state police here are sick of this CCL BS. 99 out of 102 counties voted for a wing-nut for governor in 2010, mainly because our governor promised to raise the income tax, which he did.
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Your overall tax burden is already extreme IMHO especially when living around Chicago
 
ChrisL said:
Massachusetts doesn't recognize any out of state permits, and in a lot of cities a permit will only be issued at the discretion of the Chief of Police.
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Illinois doesn't either. And we don't issue any in-state permits. So, yeah.
 
Jerry said:
You should have to demonstrate a need to have a no-gun sign posted on a place open to the public. No-gun signs are exactly the same as 'whites only' signs.
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What about private property rights?
 
Tucker Case said:
Illinois doesn't either. And we don't issue any in-state permits. So, yeah.
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You might be interested in this information that I found on Wiki. Interesting how the AG keeps asking for postponements and the court keeps granting them.

Gun laws in Illinois - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Recent events
On December 11, 2012, a three-judge panel of the U.S. Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals, in the case of Moore v. Madigan, ruled that Illinois' concealed carry ban is unconstitutional, and gave the state 180 days to change its laws.[14][15] On January 8, 2013, the Illinois attorney general requested that the decision be reviewed by the full appeals court.[16] This request was rejected on February 22, 2013. The attorney general is considering whether or not to appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court.[17] On April 29, 2013, the attorney general asked the Supreme Court for an extension of the deadline for filing an appeal, from May 23 to June 24.[18] On May 3, 2013, the Supreme Court granted the extension.[19]

On May 31, 2013, the state legislature passed a bill that would allow licensed individuals to carry concealed handguns. The governor has not said whether or not he will sign the legislation. If the act becomes law, the state police will grant concealed carry permits to qualified applicants age 21 or older who pass a 16-hour training course. However, any law enforcement agency could object to an individual being granted a permit "based upon a reasonable suspicion that the applicant is a danger to himself or herself or others, or a threat to public safety". Objections would be considered by a Concealed Carry Licensing Review Board, which would decide whether or not the permit would be issued, based on "a preponderance of the evidence". Concealed carry would be prohibited in a number of locations, including CTA and Metra buses and trains, schools, government buildings, stadiums, casinos, parks, street festivals, and bars and restaurants that get more than half their revenue from the sale of alcohol. Permits would cost $150 for residents or $300 for non-residents, and would be valid for five years. Concealed carry permits issued by other states would not be recognized.[20][21]

Also on May 31, 2013, the legislature passed a law, not yet signed by the governor, that would require lost or stolen guns to be reported to the police within 72 hours. The same law would require a dial-up check of the buyer's FOID card when a firearm is purchased in a private sale. The check is already required at gun shows or when a gun is sold by a licensed dealer.[20]

On June 3, 2013, the attorney general requested the appeals court to grant a 30-day extension, from June 9 to July 9, for implementing a concealed carry law.[22] On June 4, the court granted the extension.[23] On June 14, the attorney general requested that the Supreme Court grant a second 30-day extension, to July 22, for filing an appeal. On June 18 the high court granted the extension.[24]
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ChrisL said:
You might be interested in this information that I found on Wiki. Interesting how the AG keeps asking for postponements and the court keeps granting them.

Gun laws in Illinois - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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I think their tactic is to delay until they can have their appeal heard by the SC . I don't expect the law to be implemented any time soon, sadly. thus making Illinois the worst. :lol:
 
Tucker Case said:
I think their tactic is to delay until they can have their appeal heard by the SC . I don't expect the law to be implemented any time soon, sadly. thus making Illinois the worst. :lol:
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Definitely delay tactics. I read that some new gun laws put Maryland way up there on the list too. Now that we have a new senator who is big on gun control, I wonder what's going to happen in my state?
 
ChrisL said:
Definitely delay tactics. I read that some new gun laws put Maryland way up there on the list too. Now that we have a new senator who is big on gun control, I wonder what's going to happen in my state?
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The sad thing is that, right now in Chicago, I'm positive I can get a gun easier illegally than I could get one legally. Meaning that people who are willing to break the law have better access to guns than those who are unwilling to break the law. That's an inherently ****ed up reality.
 
Tucker Case said:
The sad thing is that, right now in Chicago, I'm positive I can get a gun easier illegally than I could get one legally. Meaning that people who are willing to break the law have better access to guns than those who are unwilling to break the law. That's an inherently ****ed up reality.
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I couldn't agree with you more. These laws are useless in regards to stopping criminals.
 
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