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Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

Should reciprication of permits be mandatory?

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American said:
What about private property rights?
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Regarding a property which is open to the public, the owner has every right to require concealed carry only or any other kind of dress code, but the owner has no right to completely bar lawful carry. That's like barring 'colored people'.

If the property is not open to the public then the owner can ban personal firearms all they want.
 
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Gipper said:
It should go from state to state without issue, if you legally carry in your home state. If the left can argue ER/FF&C for gay marriage, the right can argue for this.

Constitutionally, yes.
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I'd agree with that, but I can't imagine the right saying all gay marriages should be legal if you cross state lines. That part of DOMA was not struck down.
 
Jerry said:
So no reciprocation and their non-resident permit costs $300. Ok, I'll start setting aside cash. Do they have a list of classes they accept or will any NRA approved class work?
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Well that law hasn't taken effect because they keep postponing doing anything about it. Also, I can't find anything else specific about classes or anything.
 
rocket88 said:
I'd agree with that, but I can't imagine the right saying all gay marriages should be legal if you cross state lines. That part of DOMA was not struck down.
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That's how you know you're in the presence of a partisan hack or ideologue - if they support FF&C in one aspect, but not another.

Frankly, anyone that doesn't think both gay marriage and firearm possession should hold up across state lines is showing obvious political bias in one lean or another.
 
rocket88 said:
I'd agree with that, but I can't imagine the right saying all gay marriages should be legal if you cross state lines. That part of DOMA was not struck down.
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I can imagine some of the right saying that. I can also imagine some of the left suggesting that it should cross state lines for licenses related to the right to marry but not for ones relating to the right to bear arms.
 
Zyphlin said:
I can imagine some of the right saying that. I can also imagine some of the left suggesting that it should cross state lines for licenses related to the right to marry but not for ones relating to the right to bear arms.
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I even bet we could find evidence of that if we looked hard enough. :2razz:
 
yobarnacle said:
Each state gets to make it's own laws. Fed keep nose out of it.

If you don't like your states laws, agitate for change.
If you don't like another states laws, don't go there.

Diversity is good.

I don't want the 50 states to resemble a 1950s realestate development.

All the same, ticky tacky boxes.
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If I didn't have to go through them to get to the Colorado Mtns, I wouldn't. Country first. One big Chief, 50 wittle Indians.
 
Rocketman said:
Your overall tax burden is already extreme IMHO especially when living around Chicago
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When you get outside the 6 collar counties of Chicago, which used to go > 10--1 Repub, I would disagree. Our cost of living is lower where I am. By having crooks in both parties since the 1920's, we are broke due to the pension fiasco. We choose not to pollute Lake Michigan with 20 times the allowable MERCURY as Indiana, which then gains the jobs and tax revenue from it's Whiting BP toilet which also has been flushing dangerous levels of AMMONIA and SUSPENDED SOLIDS.
 
Tucker Case said:
The sad thing is that, right now in Chicago, I'm positive I can get a gun easier illegally than I could get one legally. Meaning that people who are willing to break the law have better access to guns than those who are unwilling to break the law. That's an inherently ****ed up reality.
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It's the normal result of any community in which there are strict gun control laws in effect. There's no rational reason to expect any different. The supply of available guns is abundant enough that no law can ever stop someone form getting one who truly wants one and is willing to break the law in order to get it. The effect, unalterably, will be that criminals, who by definition do not obey laws, will be better armed than law-abiding citizens, who, by definition, do obey the laws. The unalterable effect of gun control is to make honest citizens easier prey for criminals. For this reason, only those who are either unimaginably ignorant, or who are willfully on the side of violent criminals, support gun control laws.
 
NIMBY said:
When you get outside the 6 collar counties of Chicago, which used to go > 10--1 Repub, I would disagree. Our cost of living is lower where I am. By having crooks in both parties since the 1920's, we are broke due to the pension fiasco. We choose not to pollute Lake Michigan with 20 times the allowable MERCURY as Indiana, which then gains the
jobs and tax revenue from it's Whiting BP toilet which also has been flushing dangerous levels of AMMONIA and SUSPENDED SOLIDS.
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Your property taxes are 3 times what mine are anywhere in the state
 
The property taxes on my house are 2.3% of EAV. I do live beyond the city limits, though, and must depend on county fire and police and state police.
Rocketman said:
Your property taxes are 3 times what mine are anywhere in the state
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Black Manta said:
Why don't you just apply for a Florida CCW....
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Thinking back on Florida for a moment, I noticed something in the pics I posted earlier...

Look at Florida:

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Florida honors my South Dakota resident permit, but not my Utah non-resident permit. I had to do a lot more to get the Utah permit than the South Dakota Permit, so you would think that it would be the other way around and Florida would honor Utah but not South Dakota.

South Dakota charges $10, you fill out half a piece of paper worth of a form, and your permit is mailed to you within a week. There's no class, no fingerprinting, no nothing. That's it.

Utah charges $65, plus the class, the FBI fingerprinting, the passport photo, your permit arrives in the mail within 60-90 days, AND Utah runs your information through NICS every single day for the entire life of the permit! South Dakota doesn't do that, but Utah does, but Utah isn't good enough for Florida?

Same thing with Colorado, but even though I'm not good enough to get a permit from them, even though Utah's permit isn't good enough for Colorado, Colorado will still let me carry since I have a stupidly-easy-to-get South Dakota permit.

As a resident of South Dakota, it is easier for me to carry in Colorado than it is for an actual Colorado resident to carry in Colorado.

Where is the sanity in this nonsense?

I hope this gives some a taste of why I support a single Federal permit to carry with national reciprocity. One standard, one rule for everyone.
 
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Jerry said:
Thinking back on Florida for a moment, I noticed something in the pics I posted earlier...

Look at Florida:

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Florida honors my South Dakota resident permit, but not my Utah non-resident permit. I had to do a lot more to get the Utah permit than the South Dakota Permit, so you would think that it would be the other way around and Florida would honor Utah but not South Dakota.

South Dakota charges $10, you fill out half a piece of paper worth of a form, and your permit is mailed to you within a week. There's no class, no fingerprinting, no nothing. That's it.

Utah charges $65, plus the class, the FBI fingerprinting, the passport photo, your permit arrives in the mail within 60-90 days, AND Utah runs your information through NICS every single day for the entire life of the permit! South Dakota doesn't do that, but Utah does, but Utah isn't good enough for Florida?

Same thing with Colorado, but even though I'm not good enough to get a permit from them, even though Utah's permit isn't good enough for Colorado, Colorado will still let me carry since I have a stupidly-easy-to-get South Dakota permit.

As a resident of South Dakota, it is easier for me to carry in Colorado than it is for an actual Colorado resident to carry in Colorado.

Where is the sanity in this nonsense?

I hope this gives some a taste of why I support a single Federal permit to carry with national reciprocity. One standard, one rule for everyone.
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I hear you. I support the single federal as well. The runaround you get is truly awe inspiring. I could tell you a great story about my Florida CCW and how the state of Florida messed up so bad, when they figured out they messed up I had mine in less than 4 days.
 
I screwed up and voted "Personally, no" instead of "Other". :(


I don't believe in gun control laws of any kind but not because of the 2nd, which I interpret differently than many people.
 
NIMBY said:
If I didn't have to go through them to get to the Colorado Mtns, I wouldn't. Country first. One big Chief, 50 wittle Indians.
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Urrrrmph! Sorry, not correct. Next contestant please! :)
 
If the 33-state law covering CCW is a such a good one, why not add the other 17 states to it? I'm all for disconnecting the wrongs of the 10th amendment from the rights of the 2nd. Cut paperwork, save money, eliminate complaining/divisiveness from gun owners on this gun subissue so we can move on and eliminate the others.
yobarnacle said:
Urrrrmph! Sorry, not correct. Next contestant please! :)
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NIMBY said:
The property taxes on my house are 2.3% of EAV. I do live beyond the city limits, though, and must depend on county fire and police and state police.
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yep about 3 times
 
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