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Do You Agree with John Stossel?

Should the public accommodations portion of the law be repealed?

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shrubnose said:
They do in the USA.

With enough votes you can pass any law.

Whether the Libertarians like it or not.

That will not change any time soon.

Its how the USA works.
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Of course they CAN initiate aggression. A 240 man CAN initiate aggression against a 90 pound grandmother. But that is not the question. The question is why do you consider the initiation of aggression to be ethical?
 
Lord of Planar said:
I was speaking in general, of such proposed laws, that discrimination is actionable "if" someone perceives it so.

That is my point. Equality should not be special! You cannot create "equality" by giving minorities tools to use against the majority! Tools get abused!
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Everything made by man eventually wears out.


Usually it is then replaced by a similar thingy.

We can talk about freedom of association, etc until the cows come home, but the 1964 Civil Rights Act is here to stay.

Anyone who doesn't like it will stay unhappy for a long time.

Not my problem.

I like it.

And if that upsets anyone, that's tough.




"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Meaningless?

You simply cannot legislate what is and is not fair. The text of law gets abused, and no matter how noble attempts may be, they will always cause more problems than they fix in today's American society.
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Who tells you these things. Yes, you can legislate, as we have, non discrimination laws. And they have been relatively effective. And they have not cased more problems than they solved. The world overall is better today with them than they were without them.
 
Buck Ewer said:
Correct ... Everyone has the right to be a douche ... but they do not have the the right to PRACTICE their douche-baggery when it interferes with the Civil Rights of others Americans
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What rights would those be exactly? The right to force people to accept your presence on your their property? The right to force people to give you service? Tell me, how does it make any sense at all to make aggression a right? The government forced people to accept others on their property and forced them to give them service and we are really going to call this a right? Ridiculous.
 
Federalist said:
We appear to have two major and distinct areas of disagreement. The first is about aggression.



I have offered my definition of aggression. You have not done so. Please provide your definition of aggression.

The second area of disagreement is over how one person (or group) acquires legitimate authority over other people.



What about a group with more members gives the people in that group authority over others?
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And this doesn't fit even your definition. There is no aggression. You're Exaggerating. Overstating. Being hyperbolic.

And yes, we have laws, that are supported by a majority. Always have and always will. It's silly to pretend otherwise.
 
Boo Radley said:
And this doesn't fit even your definition. There is no aggression. You're Exaggerating. Overstating. Being hyperbolic.

And yes, we have laws, that are supported by a majority. Always have and always will. It's silly to pretend otherwise.
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Forcing people to allow others on their property is aggression
Forcing people to service others is aggression
 
Boo Radley said:
Who tells you these things. Yes, you can legislate, as we have, non discrimination laws. And they have been relatively effective. And they have not cased more problems than they solved. The world overall is better today with them than they were without them.
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We have no evidence that our nature wouldn't have changed without such laws. I disagree with your assessment that we are better off because of the laws. If you don't consider the reverse discrimination caused by quota systems as bad, then I simply don't know what else to say. Such things perpetuate rather than soften problems between races.

Do you think blacks still need, in today's culture, the force of law to make them equal? If so, I would suggest you look up what the definition of racism really is.
 
Henrin said:
Forcing people to allow others on their property is aggression
Forcing people to service others is aggression
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No, it isn't. Not even close. These are business open to the public and not your private home. There s no requirement for you to enter the public Arena. You're not ailed nor abused. You merely can't abuse others, denying them enter acne based on race. Poor fellows, being made to accept customers. I wish you saw how silly your hyperbole is. :coffeepap
 
Lord of Planar said:
We have no evidence that our nature wouldn't have changed without such laws. I disagree with your assessment that we are better off because of the laws. If you don't consider the reverse discrimination caused by quota systems as bad, then i simply don't know what else to say. Sy=uch thing perpetuate rather than soften problems between races.

Do you think blacks still need, in today's culture, the force of law to make them equal? If so, I would suggest you look up what the definition of racism really is.
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We know it didn't. We know to a much lesser degree it still goes on despite laws.
 
Boo Radley said:
And this doesn't fit even your definition. There is no aggression. You're Exaggerating. Overstating. Being hyperbolic.
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Please provide your definition of aggression. We've got to define our terms.
 
Federalist said:
Please provide your definition of aggression. We've got to define our terms.
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I need to. Seriously. It's a silly word to use for fines and being asked to take money from paying customers. It's just too huge an exaggeration.
 
Boo Radley said:
We know it didn't.
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LOL...

Really? How? have you visited an alternate universe that never had such laws put in place?

Wishful thinking that you have God-like perceptions...


Boo Radley said:
We know to a much lesser degree it still goes on despite laws.
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Racism works both ways my friend. I used to date this black chick. I have never seen as many whites frown on mixed relationships as I have blacks. What's up with the racism of blacks against whites?

I concede your point. There are still very many black racists, who hate whites. It is passed down generation to generation, and becomes an excuse to need special rights. It becomes an excuse to blame the white folk. It becomes an excuse to abuse equal opportunity laws.

You're right. As a nation, we have a long way to go. Very little prejudice of whites against blacks, but the racism of blacks against whites is vile at times.
 
Henrin said:
Forcing people to allow others on their property is aggression
Forcing people to service others is aggression
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It should never be necessary to "force".
Obviously we are dealing with low grade people.
 
earthworm said:
It should never be necessary to "force".
Obviously we are dealing with low grade people.
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Are you a better person when you support the government acting towards them in a such a fashion? They didn't violate the rights of anyone and yet the government walked on their rights because people found their behavior immoral. Surely, they are idiots and without a doubt they are immoral, but I wonder if the actions you support are moral actions?
 
Henrin said:
Forcing people to allow others on their property is aggression
Forcing people to service others is aggression
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No one is forcing anyone to own a business that serves the public. If you don't like serving blacks then don't open a business that requires it. Freedom restored.
 
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Lord of Planar said:
LOL...

Really? How? have you visited an alternate universe that never had such laws put in place?

Wishful thinking that you have God-like perceptions...



Racism works both ways my friend. I used to date this black chick. I have never seen as many whites frown on mixed relationships as I have blacks. What's up with the racism of blacks against whites?

I concede your point. There are still very many black racists, who hate whites. It is passed down generation to generation, and becomes an excuse to need special rights. It becomes an excuse to blame the white folk. It becomes an excuse to abuse equal opportunity laws.

You're right. As a nation, we have a long way to go. Very little prejudice of whites against blacks, but the racism of blacks against whites is vile at times.
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There was plenty f time before laws were placed for it to change, but it didn't, so we don't need any alternative universe. MLK'S covered the waiting thing very well in his Letter From a Birmingham Jail.

And please don't start the poor white people whining. As a white male I find that type of false crocodile tearing up shameful. Whites are not harmed in the least.
 
Boo Radley said:
I need to. Seriously. It's a silly word to use for fines and being asked to take money from paying customers. It's just too huge an exaggeration.
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The fine is issued for people not allowing others on their property and not doing business with those people. It's not simply a fine for any old crime, but a crime for practicing your right to association and your right to control access to your property. If are we to be free we must accept the prospect that people will do things we don't like when they practice their rights.
 
iguanaman said:
No one is forcing anyone to own a business that serves the public. If you don't like serving blacks then don't open business. Freedom restored.
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:roll: Yes, just don't practice your right to liberty. Great solution.
 
Henrin said:
The fine is issued for people not allowing others on their property and not doing business with those people. It's not simply a fine for any old crime, but a crime for practicing your right to association and your right to control access to your property. If are we to be free we must accept the prospect that people will do things we don't like when they practice their rights.
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Oh please, they don't have to hang out and be bet buds with any customers. Just do business. Why must there be all tis exaggeration?
 
Henrin said:
:roll: Yes, just don't practice your right to liberty. Great solution.
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You said people were being forced and no one is. You can do a lot of things and still be a racist. Just not a business that serves the public.
 
Boo Radley said:
And yes, we have laws, that are supported by a majority. Always have and always will. It's silly to pretend otherwise.
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Yes I am aware that this is the case. My question to you is why/how does a large group of people acquire legitimate authority over others.
 
Boo Radley said:
I need to. Seriously. It's a silly word to use for fines and being asked to take money from paying customers. It's just too huge an exaggeration.
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So what is your definition of aggression?
 
Libertarianism = freedom for businesses ... not freedom for individuals.
Libertarianism caters to the elite, never the common man, therefore it is absolutely hypocritical in it's idealism when they claim to want freedom for all.
Jim Crow segregation laws were as aggressively against individual freedom as any law could be.
Libertarians show their true identity when they favor the repeal of the CRA.
 
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Misterveritis said:
Well, how do you deal with the fact that I am treated as a second class citizen by my government every single day? I am white. I am male. I am married. I pay lots of taxes. My government despises me and treats me as a cash cow.
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How on earth do you make it through the day with such a bad lot in life? Stay strong my friend.
 
Boo Radley said:
And please don't start the poor white people whining. As a white male I find that type of false crocodile tearing up shameful. Whites are not harmed in the least.
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There is nothing fake about my words. While dating this black girl, I was exposed to prejudices I've never seen from whites.
 
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