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Do You Agree with John Stossel?

Should the public accommodations portion of the law be repealed?

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Yes, I emphatically and completely agree with John Stossel's statement.
 
0bserver92 said:
Most people and we spend far less then U.S. per capita on healthcare actually every country does. We have some of the best healthcare and I would say 95%+ prefer our system.
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I know about 50 personally that would disagree. He and I make realtively the same, because of your healthcare system almost 50% of his pay goes to the Canadian goverment, and then when something serious comes up people die waiting for service. What a scummy country.
 
Federalist said:
I agree with Stossel.

I am of the opinion that every person, apart from being the sole owner of his physical body, has the right to employ his private property in any way he sees fit so long as he does not initiate aggression against others. I consider aggression to be the initiation or threatening of violence against a person or legitimately-owned property of another. Specifically, any unsolicited actions of others that physically affect an individual’s property or person, no matter if the result of those actions is damaging, beneficial, or neutral to the owner, are considered violent or aggressive when they are against the owner's free will and interfere with his right to self-determination and the principle of self-ownership.

I would argue that the public accommodations part of the law ought to be done away with, because it is precisely the sort of initiation of aggression I oppose, while the person who excludes someone from his property may be being a dick, but is not initiating aggression against anyone or their property.
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the only things i can think of which government would have a say in private business, is .......if a crime is committed, or health and safety is at risk.

discrimination laws, are not criminal.
 
Rocketman said:
I know about 50 personally that would disagree. He and I make realtively the same, because of your healthcare system almost 50% of his pay goes to the Canadian goverment, and then when something serious comes up people die waiting for service. What a scummy country.
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I want to see actual proof and if he is paying 50% of his income in tax and complain about how expensive healthcare is does he know it pays into other things besides healthcare? If he is paying 50% he is either making a large amount of money where 50% generally doesn't hurt you or has the worst accountant in history or does not know anything his fiances at all.
 
What does Canadian vs US healthcare have to do with the question posed by this topic?
 
0bserver92 said:
I want to see actual proof and if he is paying 50% of his income in tax and complain about how expensive healthcare is does he know it pays into other things besides healthcare? If he is paying 50% he is either making a large amount of money where 50% generally doesn't hurt you or has the worst accountant in history or does not know anything his fiances at all.
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He's obviously being dishonest, Observer. We both know he is making his own facts as what he's stating as proof is so far from actual reality. LOL, did you know our healthcare directly takes its cut from our pay checks? It's been a while since I have laughed that hard!
 
ReformCollege said:
The area is nearly 80% African American. Surely you don't believe that losing 80% of your consumer base has no effect on revenues? I'm not saying that it won't happen in some places, but I have a very hard time buying that it wouldn't affect business.
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Business is fine, if selective.
 
Canadian health care is cheap, by and large, because of no assumed R&D costs. Essentially the world is a free rider on America's scientific, technological, and medical breakthroughs.

Lots of people don't want to hear that...but...oh well.
 
Gipper said:
Canadian health care is cheap, by and large, because of no assumed R&D costs. Essentially the world is a free rider on America's scientific, technological, and medical breakthroughs.

Lots of people don't want to hear that...but...oh well.
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The government pays for a bit of R&D here. Going to a research school.
 
It's probably the only thing I agree with Rand Paul on. Let private businesses run themselves as crappy as they want to. Out them for their policies and let the people decide.
 
ernst barkmann said:
there statutory laws

criminal law, sends you to jail,...... if i discriminate, i can be closed down and fined.

but people act as though you have done a crime.
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Ah, I see what you mean. My apologies.
 
ernst barkmann said:
there statutory laws

criminal law, sends you to jail,...... if i discriminate, i can be closed down and fined.

but people act as though you have done a crime.
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That would due to social laws. Unwritten laws.
 
Henrin said:
You're right they're more like involuntary servants that have to do your bidding or face punishment.
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Each person is the rightful owner of his own body, and he may use it in any way as long as he don't use it to initiate aggression against others. For people to tell him how he must use his body (do business with someone) is an initiation of aggression against him. Such action is unjust and unethical.
 
Federalist said:
Each person is the rightful owner of his own body, and he may use it in any way as long as he don't use it to initiate aggression against others. For people to tell him how he must use his body (do business with someone) is an initiation of aggression against him. Such action is unjust and unethical.
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Now that was hyperbolic. Just saying . . . ..
 
Boo Radley said:
Rules we live by that aren't codified. Every society has them. They function much like you described.
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i think you would mean a moral fabric.

there can be no rules /laws, which have no authority behind them, anyone or group trying to assert a power not placed within there powers, IE. federal state, or local....are setting themselves up as having powers over others.
 
Boo Radley said:
Now that was hyperbolic. Just saying . . . ..
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I apologize, because I realize I misspoke. I said "For people to tell him how he must use his body". What I left off was that it is not a suggestion, but a command, a command accompanied by a threat. This threat is what constitutes an initiation of aggression.

I apologize for leaving out that detail.
 
0bserver92 said:
I want to see actual proof and if he is paying 50% of his income in tax and complain about how expensive healthcare is does he know it pays into other things besides healthcare? If he is paying 50% he is either making a large amount of money where 50% generally doesn't hurt you or has the worst accountant in history or does not know anything his fiances at all.
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He pays 17% more than I do and none of my relatives have died waiting to have surgery. Case closed
 
ernst barkmann said:
i think you would mean a moral fabric.

there can be no rules /laws, which have no authority behind them, anyone or group trying to assert a power not placed within there powers, IE. federal state, or local....are setting themselves up as having powers over others.
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But there are. The community exercises the authority, just as you described.
 
Federalist said:
I apologize, because I realize I misspoke. I said "For people to tell him how he must use his body". What I left off was that it is not a suggestion, but a command, a command accompanied by a threat. This threat is what constitutes an initiation of aggression.

I apologize for leaving out that detail.
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Still hyperbolic. Merely saying you can't discriminate is not saying you have to even go into business at all. There is no command to do anything. only that if you enter into this arena, you can't discriminate. and there are many rules like this. No one is completely free. Nor is it a huge imposition.
 
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