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Do You Agree with John Stossel?

Should the public accommodations portion of the law be repealed?

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Rocketman said:
Yes it does, they hate their citizens
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They appear to treat business owners like slaves and shut down their business when they disobey their master. We aren't much better though.
 
Henrin said:
They appear to treat business owners like slaves and shut down their business when they disobey their master. We aren't much better though.
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We are definitely headed the wrong direction. I have to give Obama credit though, our rental portfolio is growing thanks to his policies as we have picked up some cheap property the last few years.
 
Rocketman said:
Yes it does, they hate their citizens
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I would like to know how? It was created by parliament in the 1980s thus reflecting modern values in our society and was voted on by our MPs.
 
0bserver92 said:
I would like to know how? It was created by parliament in the 1980s thus reflecting modern values in our society and was voted on by our MPs.
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Business owners are citizens and private property owners.
 
0bserver92 said:
I would like to know how? It was created by parliament in the 1980s thus reflecting modern values in our society and was voted on by our MPs.
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Their medical coverage is the worst. My company is global and our associates there come here for medical even though they have to pay the extra taxes there. It is sickening some of the stories I have heard about there.
 
ARealConservative said:
why?

if you agree with them, get them. so long as you did, a person that didn't get vaccinations can't harm you.
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You're assuming I had the choice of whether I was vaccinated or not as a child.
 
Rocketman said:
Their medical coverage is the worst. My company is global and our associates there come here for medical even though they have to pay the extra taxes there. It is sickening some of the stories I have heard about there.
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Medical coverage is not written into our Charter of Rights and Freedoms, it is something we take every pride in and people will fight tooth and nail for it. I hear far more good stories than bad and all my experiences and those of my friends have been all been good. Have you actually read our Charter of Rights and Freedoms?
 
Aderleth said:
1). Because it's not the same type of discrimination. Why?

2) Because all private property is not private and exclusionary by definition. Here's a fairly obvious example.

What do you do when you're approaching the closed door of a private residence you'd like to enter?
And what do you do when you approach the front door of a Starbucks you'd like to enter?
If your answer to those two questions is not the same, you have implicitly recognized the difference between a public accommodation and a truly private space.
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Exclusionary means the owner has control over use of the property--the owner can exclude (or not) whoever he wants. Private property is always exclusionary by definition. So public accommodations law is really just a way of violating property rights by prohibiting full exercise of the exclusionary component.
 
0bserver92 said:
Medical coverage is not written into our Charter of Rights and Freedoms, it is something we take every pride in and people will fight tooth and nail for it. I hear far more good stories than bad and all my experiences and those of my friends have been all been good. Have you actually read our Charter of Rights and Freedoms?
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NO, but I have been to countless funeral for friends whose relatives died waiting for surgery. I find comfort knowing that won't happen to me or my loved ones here.
 
Rocketman said:
NO, but I have been to countless funeral for friends whose relatives died waiting for surgery. I find comfort knowing that won't happen to me or my loved ones here.
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I know no one and have not heard of anyone who has done so. Our system is one of the best in the world and we will do anything to keep it and it's also cheaper than yours. You might also want to read it here then.
 
I agree with Stossel.

I am of the opinion that every person, apart from being the sole owner of his physical body, has the right to employ his private property in any way he sees fit so long as he does not initiate aggression against others. I consider aggression to be the initiation or threatening of violence against a person or legitimately-owned property of another. Specifically, any unsolicited actions of others that physically affect an individual’s property or person, no matter if the result of those actions is damaging, beneficial, or neutral to the owner, are considered violent or aggressive when they are against the owner's free will and interfere with his right to self-determination and the principle of self-ownership.

I would argue that the public accommodations part of the law ought to be done away with, because it is precisely the sort of initiation of aggression I oppose, while the person who excludes someone from his property may be being a dick, but is not initiating aggression against anyone or their property.
 
Rocketman said:
Their medical coverage is the worst. My company is global and our associates there come here for medical even though they have to pay the extra taxes there. It is sickening some of the stories I have heard about there.
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LOL.

The part I bolded... can you please explain? :popcorn:

:liar2 :liar
 
0bserver92 said:
I know no one and have not heard of anyone who has done so. Our system is one of the best in the world and we will do anything to keep it and it's also cheaper than yours. You might also want to read it here then.
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It is not cheaper than mine, our associate in Montreal would gladly take out insurance if they could opt out of yours.
 
Aderleth said:
1). What do you do when you're approaching the closed door of a private residence you'd like to enter?
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you knock, and see if you are invited in, becuase it is private property.

Aderleth said:
1)And what do you do when you approach the front door of a Starbucks you'd like to enter?
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you walk in becuase the private property owner is extending the privilege of you his business.........becuase he wants your money/business

when you enter into government public buildings, these are paid by the tax payers, and serve the interest of the people.

when a business owner opens to the public he extends privileges (there are no rights to enter a business) to the public, and pays his own taxes, and works in his own interest....not in the public's interest.
 
Rocketman said:
It is not cheaper than mine, our associate in Montreal would gladly take out insurance if they could opt out of yours.
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Most people and we spend far less then U.S. per capita on healthcare actually every country does. We have some of the best healthcare and I would say 95%+ prefer our system. I would assume he's the same guy that complains about all his taxes, you do know it turns out cheaper if you have everyone pay a little bit than one person paying lump sum. If he doesn't like taxes don't live in Montreal.
 
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