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Should we cancel Thanksgiving and the 4th of July?

Should we cancel Thanksgiving and the 4th of July?


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No, we should not stop celebrating them. I'm curious exactly which 'changing demographics' find the 4th of July and thanksgiving offensive. I'm guessing they're the same people who would find excuses to be offended about anything we chose to celebrate in their place, simply because they enjoy being offended by things.
 
Should the United States do away with Thanksgiving and the 4th of July as designated public holidays in favor of something more inline with changing demographics?

I chalk up most of my nephews political views to being college age but over a weekend BBQ they seemed pretty adamant that some of our public (federally recognized) holidays were insensitive to minorities in this country. They seemed to view Thanksgiving and July 4th as particularly offensive.

Your nephew embraces a strange political viewpoint with the 4th of July.

Actually, in the past, it was seen as justified to remove racial minorities, especially African Americans from claiming intellectual heritage of the United States or its rhetoric. It raised troubling questions for whites. In the aftermath of the Denmark Vesey conspiracy and trials, whites in South Carolina attempted to restrict and strictly define the role of blacks (both free and slave) in America. Many times whites were troubled with the knowledge that intellectually, African Americans were hearing about the rhetoric of the war for Independence and thereafter, and took it seriously.

One author, writing on scripture and its relationship with slaves also observed that, "The celebration of the Fourth of July, belongs exclusively to the white population of the United States"; that, "In this, the Negroes had no concern." "It therefore appears to me, improper to allow these people to be present on these occasions," because they would then "imbibe false notions of their personal rights, and give reality in their minds, to what has no real existence."

In other words, to uphold slavery and the racial divisions of the United States, one needed to make sure African Americans were separated from the intellectual and cultural heritage of the U.S. Failure to do so would mean that African Americans would learn that they have the same rights and dreams as the whites.
 
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Should the United States do away with Thanksgiving and the 4th of July as designated public holidays in favor of something more inline with changing demographics?

I chalk up most of my nephews political views to being college age but over a weekend BBQ they seemed pretty adamant that some of our public (federally recognized) holidays were insensitive to minorities in this country. They seemed to view Thanksgiving and July 4th as particularly offensive.

I find such holidays redundant for other reasons relating to my beliefs. Not because they are "insensitive" to minorities, that sort of argument is absurd.
 
Should the United States do away with Thanksgiving and the 4th of July as designated public holidays in favor of something more inline with changing demographics?

I chalk up most of my nephews political views to being college age but over a weekend BBQ they seemed pretty adamant that some of our public (federally recognized) holidays were insensitive to minorities in this country. They seemed to view Thanksgiving and July 4th as particularly offensive.
Your nephews are actually offended by Thanksgiving and July 4?

Your nephews need to get more in their lives.

How the heck can a rational, well-adjusted person be offended by Thanksgiving of July 4?

Find them silly or not relevant - especially Turkey Day - fine.

But offended?

Weird.


Thanksgiving means football to me and the start of Christmas season...so I like it.

July 4 - the stock markets close with little other benefit...so I don't like it.

I have been self-employed for most of my adult life...so holidays don't affect me much; when I want a holiday, I can usually just take one.
 
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Because no matter how hijacked our country becomes, it hasn't been hijacked enough until they've taken away the celebration of the founding of our nation. At that point we might as well burn the constitution and come up with a new name for the country, because its certainly not the USA anymore.

There's no substantial intellectual movement to remove the 4th of July. The most substantive move has been to include more groups in the narrative of the American experiment.
 
There's no substantial intellectual movement to remove the 4th of July. The most substantive move has been to include more groups in the narrative of the American experiment.

All the "groups" that helped in the Revolution are noted in history, but it is convenient to forget about that when one has an agenda to further. The Fourth, as it has been celebrated, has no mention of any particular group...
 
Should the United States do away with Thanksgiving and the 4th of July as designated public holidays in favor of something more inline with changing demographics?

I chalk up most of my nephews political views to being college age but over a weekend BBQ they seemed pretty adamant that some of our public (federally recognized) holidays were insensitive to minorities in this country. They seemed to view Thanksgiving and July 4th as particularly offensive.
Giving thanks and getting fat of turkey is not insensitive to minorities.
 
There's no substantial intellectual movement to remove the 4th of July. The most substantive move has been to include more groups in the narrative of the American experiment.

I'm well aware that there is no substantial intellectual movement to remove the 4th of July. But I reserve the right to call anyone who does argue for the removal of the 4th of July an indoctrinated nutcase. :lol:
 
:shock: Reversion to a Pagan holiday? Say it ain't so.....



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Its based on an astronomical event, so no religious belief is necessary to observe the beginning of the end of winter. Also, most religious holidays at that time of year probably derived from solstice celebrations.
 
All holidays are insensitive to the clinically depressed and the pathologically humorless - two minorities that seem to be growing by leaps and bounds. And even if we replace all current festivities with one egalitarian Day When You Buy Gifts For No Reason Whatsoever, it will be deeply offensive for the very poor, the anti-commercialists, and the stingy. Ergo, no more holidays, period.

Also, I think everyone should wear burkas, just in case. Even men. Especially men, now that I think about it.

Makes sense to me. :lol:
 
On Bastille Day, the French celebrate murderers and criminals wreaking havoc on laws and civilization. Discuss.

Nah, let's not discuss. DOWN WITH BASTILLE DAY!
 
Should the United States do away with Thanksgiving and the 4th of July as designated public holidays in favor of something more inline with changing demographics?

I chalk up most of my nephews political views to being college age but over a weekend BBQ they seemed pretty adamant that some of our public (federally recognized) holidays were insensitive to minorities in this country. They seemed to view Thanksgiving and July 4th as particularly offensive.

No, keep Thanksgiving, the 4th of July and return to Christmas vacation and Easter vacation.

The number one reason why nations have immigration policies and laws is to protect the culture, customs, language and the demographics of a sovereign nation.

Enforce our laws and round up every one who's not suppose to be here and deport them for good.

Also round up the 50 % who were awarded amnesty back in 1986 who fraudulently gained that amnesty through committing fraud and deport them.

Problem solved. Back to the era of Leave it to Beaver and Father Knows Best, the way America was meant to be. Apple pie, burgers. Winchesters and Harley Davidson's.
 
you should celebrate both of them

but l cant celebrate the first one
 
Should the United States do away with Thanksgiving and the 4th of July as designated public holidays in favor of something more inline with changing demographics?

I chalk up most of my nephews political views to being college age but over a weekend BBQ they seemed pretty adamant that some of our public (federally recognized) holidays were insensitive to minorities in this country. They seemed to view Thanksgiving and July 4th as particularly offensive.

I don't see either of those two holidays as being demographically driven. One celebrates family and being alive and the other celebrates the birth of your country. Would you want to eliminate the celebration of all birthdays?

This is just another in a long line-up of politically correct attacks on western traditions. Why is it a burden for people we welcome into our countries to celebrate our traditions even if they have no history with them? Didn't they come to our countries because we offer them freedom to be whom they want to be and live their lives as they want to live them? Why then do we have to change our lives on some false notion that we need to be more inclusive?

If you want to make older generations less receptive to opening up our countries to new people from new cultures, just continue to attack their traditions and ways of life.
 
I absolutely love Thanksgiving. I think it's my favorite holiday because it truly is about being family and friends and sharing a good meal. The stress isn't present like it is with other holidays like Christmas. And let's not forget about the FOOD! :)

However, I was truly disgusted when I found out that everything I had ever been taught about Thanksgiving was a big fat lie, and I could kind of understand it if some Native Americans were offended by that holiday.
 
I don't see either of those two holidays as being demographically driven. One celebrates family and being alive and the other celebrates the birth of your country. Would you want to eliminate the celebration of all birthdays?

This is just another in a long line-up of politically correct attacks on western traditions. Why is it a burden for people we welcome into our countries to celebrate our traditions even if they have no history with them? Didn't they come to our countries because we offer them freedom to be whom they want to be and live their lives as they want to live them? Why then do we have to change our lives on some false notion that we need to be more inclusive?

If you want to make older generations less receptive to opening up our countries to new people from new cultures, just continue to attack their traditions and ways of life.

Well CJ, what you're missing these days in America is the rise of the liberal WRA, or "white race apologist". These were the ones (males, specifically) that voted for an unqualified black man that had been a US Senator for about 17 minutes just to prove that they're not racist. They like to trash their own kind so that they can seem like sympathetic figures to lots, especially women in some foolish quest to get laid.

Collectively, they're a pack of bitches. Unfortunately, they're gaining political clout. They want to make you sorry about who and what you are. It's the wussification of the last great bastion in the world.

Hell, pretty soon Europeans will laugh and point at us, when they deal with their own Arab problems.
 
Well CJ, what you're missing these days in America is the rise of the liberal WRA, or "white race apologist". These were the ones (males, specifically) that voted for an unqualified black man that had been a US Senator for about 17 minutes just to prove that they're not racist. They like to trash their own kind so that they can seem like sympathetic figures to lots, especially women in some foolish quest to get laid.

Collectively, they're a pack of bitches. Unfortunately, they're gaining political clout. They want to make you sorry about who and what you are. It's the wussification of the last great bastion in the world.

Hell, pretty soon Europeans will laugh and point at us, when they deal with their own Arab problems.

We're not yet that bad but we should be very thankful that Europe is going through a lot of the serious problems that we on this side of the Atlantic are only seeing in their infancy. We have the chance to wake up and correct things before it's too late - only question is, will we.
 
I don't see either of those two holidays as being demographically driven. One celebrates family and being alive and the other celebrates the birth of your country. Would you want to eliminate the celebration of all birthdays?

This is just another in a long line-up of politically correct attacks on western traditions. Why is it a burden for people we welcome into our countries to celebrate our traditions even if they have no history with them? Didn't they come to our countries because we offer them freedom to be whom they want to be and live their lives as they want to live them? Why then do we have to change our lives on some false notion that we need to be more inclusive?

If you want to make older generations less receptive to opening up our countries to new people from new cultures, just continue to attack their traditions and ways of life.

Yeah, I don't care if the 4th of July offends someone. What do you think about Thanksgiving and Native American people though? I wouldn't want to "do away" with the holiday, but couldn't you understand how a Native American person might be offended by that particular "celebration" in a way?

I should note that I've never actually heard one complain, but I don't think I know any real Native American people.
 
We're not yet that bad but we should be very thankful that Europe is going through a lot of the serious problems that we on this side of the Atlantic are only seeing in their infancy. We have the chance to wake up and correct things before it's too late - only question is, will we.

Well if America doesn't, I'm packing up and heading up there with you to the Great White North. I guess I can live with that robbery you call the GST.
 
I could understand how in some fashion how some Native Americans may not fully embrace Thanksgiving, but the idea of giving thanks by celebrating with family, kind of transcends the "founding" event.

As for the 4th of July, no. No reason to cancel that celebration. There is noting offensive about telling the King George where to get off and declaring ourselves a nation.
 
Yeah, I don't care if the 4th of July offends someone. What do you think about Thanksgiving and Native American people though? I wouldn't want to "do away" with the holiday, but couldn't you understand how a Native American person might be offended by that particular "celebration" in a way?

I should note that I've never actually heard one complain, but I don't think I know any real Native American people.

I appreciate it's different in America, but here in Canada Thanksgiving is celebrated in October and it was traditionally the time of year when crops were being reaped and food was bountiful and people gave thanks for the year's bounty. I can't think of a single political or politically correct connotation that Thanksgiving has been saddled with here. It's just a time to celebrate with family and friends - very low key.
 
Well if America doesn't, I'm packing up and heading up there with you to the Great White North. I guess I can live with that robbery you call the GST.

Get with the times - we mostly have the HST now - harmonized sales tax - it combines the old GST, goods and services tax at the federal level, with the various Province's PST, provincial sales tax.

And just for those who don't like the word tax, our wonderful politicians have started calling them "revenue enhancements" now - who wouldn't want to enhance revenue, right?
 
I appreciate it's different in America, but here in Canada Thanksgiving is celebrated in October and it was traditionally the time of year when crops were being reaped and food was bountiful and people gave thanks for the year's bounty. I can't think of a single political or politically correct connotation that Thanksgiving has been saddled with here. It's just a time to celebrate with family and friends - very low key.

I think to most people that's what it's all about here in America too. I don't think anyone is actually celebrating the slaughter. But it's easy to see how that could be interpreted in such a way.
 
All holidays are insensitive to the clinically depressed and the pathologically humorless - two minorities that seem to be growing by leaps and bounds. And even if we replace all current festivities with one egalitarian Day When You Buy Gifts For No Reason Whatsoever, it will be deeply offensive for the very poor, the anti-commercialists, and the stingy. Ergo, no more holidays, period.

Also, I think everyone should wear burkas, just in case. Even men. Especially men, now that I think about it.

Here's a teenaged LGBT activist with two moms who apparently thinks Father's Day should be done away with because she's felt left out. Abby Bergman: Celebrating Father's Day With Two Moms
 
I think to most people that's what it's all about here in America too. I don't think anyone is actually celebrating the slaughter. But it's easy to see how that could be interpreted in such a way.

Don't forget that America makes Thanksgiving the biggest commercial celebration of the year, bigger than Christmas, and let's also not forget it's all about football too.

Here in Canada we get to benefit from two Thanksgivings - ours and yours - I'm pretty sure people in America mostly don't have a clue that ours is different.
 
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