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Should we cancel Thanksgiving and the 4th of July?

Should we cancel Thanksgiving and the 4th of July?

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Dapper Andy said:
Should the United States do away with Thanksgiving and the 4th of July as designated public holidays in favor of something more inline with changing demographics?

I chalk up most of my nephews political views to being college age but over a weekend BBQ they seemed pretty adamant that some of our public (federally recognized) holidays were insensitive to minorities in this country. They seemed to view Thanksgiving and July 4th as particularly offensive.
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Not many colleges complain about St. Patty's Day stereotyping the Irish now do they?

Ironically enough, the two Mexican families that live near me go all out for the 4th of July when others real red blooded 'Mericans do not. They decorate, have parties, and shoot off illegal fireworks like nobody I have ever seen. It is like Shock and Awe has rolled onto my hood when they start shooting their fireworks. I kind of like it except for all the missile debris that lands in my yard. My house full of dogs, not so much. Saves us a trip to see the official fireworks show though.
 
Helix said:
I think we need more holidays that revolve around turkey and drinking, not less. I could do without the bottle rockets, though.
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Its all about food to people when it comes to holidays .
 
Un biased said:
Questioning good answer :bravo:. . What do you mean when you said Original celebration .
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Around 1621......

You're in school, and you didn't know that? What IS on the curriculum these days, any way?
 
Dapper Andy said:
Should the United States do away with Thanksgiving and the 4th of July as designated public holidays in favor of something more inline with changing demographics?

I chalk up most of my nephews political views to being college age but over a weekend BBQ they seemed pretty adamant that some of our public (federally recognized) holidays were insensitive to minorities in this country. They seemed to view Thanksgiving and July 4th as particularly offensive.
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No one is forced to celebrate any holiday.
 
GottaGo said:
Around 1621......

You're in school, and you didn't know that? What IS on the curriculum these days, any way?
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The Thanks given became a holiday in the 1800 hundreds every state was celebrating it by 1863 . 30 years after the trail of tears took place .
 
GottaGo said:
Around 1621......

You're in school, and you didn't know that? What IS on the curriculum these days, any way?
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Well there is a lot of mythology around "The first Thanksgiving" so it is not as far afield as it might seem
 
Dapper Andy said:
Should the United States do away with Thanksgiving and the 4th of July as designated public holidays in favor of something more inline with changing demographics?

I chalk up most of my nephews political views to being college age but over a weekend BBQ they seemed pretty adamant that some of our public (federally recognized) holidays were insensitive to minorities in this country. They seemed to view Thanksgiving and July 4th as particularly offensive.
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I'd argue its not a real holiday if its not offensive to someone. :lol: :lol:

But in all seriousness, you can make anything offensive if you apply enough Marxist/post-modern thought to it. Why anyone particularly chooses to make an ass out of themselves looking to turn anything and everything into a question of racism/oppression, I have no idea. Maybe they are just trying to hide the fact that they really have nothing interesting to say about the world.
 
Dapper Andy said:
Should the United States do away with Thanksgiving and the 4th of July as designated public holidays in favor of something more inline with changing demographics?

I chalk up most of my nephews political views to being college age but over a weekend BBQ they seemed pretty adamant that some of our public (federally recognized) holidays were insensitive to minorities in this country. They seemed to view Thanksgiving and July 4th as particularly offensive.
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How exactly are the offensive? And if any holiday in the nation should be recognized it is the 4th of July....It's kind of an important day to the Nation.
 
ReformCollege said:
I'd argue its not a real holiday if its not offensive to someone. :lol: :lol:

But in all seriousness, you can make anything offensive if you apply enough Marxist/post-modern thought to it. Why anyone particularly chooses to make an ass out of themselves looking to turn anything and everything into a question of racism/oppression, I have no idea. Maybe they are just trying to hide the fact that they really have nothing interesting to say about the world.
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Its those darn holiday specials that makes anything wrong .
 
Un biased said:
The Thanks given became a holiday in the 1800 hundreds every state was celebrating it by 1863 . 30 years after the trail of tears took place .
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Do you have anything that actually connects the two together besides timeline?
 
davidtaylorjr said:
How exactly are the offensive? And if any holiday in the nation should be recognized it is the 4th of July....It's kind of an important day to the Nation.
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Because no matter how hijacked our country becomes, it hasn't been hijacked enough until they've taken away the celebration of the founding of our nation. At that point we might as well burn the constitution and come up with a new name for the country, because its certainly not the USA anymore.
 
ReformCollege said:
Do you have anything that actually connects the two together besides timeline?
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I don't know perhaps the fact that is when the most natives had died and since America had celebrated it first thanks given holiday to thank the natives for their help in their own destruction I thought as said before would be like salt in the wounds . Thanks for helping us take your land . You must at least find that ironic .
 
Un biased said:
I don't know perhaps the fact that is when the most natives had died and since America had celebrated it first thanks given holiday to thank the natives for their help in their own destruction I thought as said before would be like salt in the wounds . Thanks for helping us take your land . You must at least find that ironic .
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It's called a primary source, and I see that you do not have one.
 
ReformCollege said:
It's called a primary source, and I see that you do not have one.
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Do you mean a website to prove it Origin of Thanksgiving Day,Thanksgiving Day Origin Pumpkin and Thanksgiving Feast
Pumpkin pie, a modern staple adorning every dinner table, is unlikely to have been a part of the first thanksgiving feast. Pilgrims however, did have boiled pumpkin. Diminishing supply of flour led to the absence of any kind of bread.

The feast continued for three days and was eaten outside due to lack of space. It was not repeated till 1623, which again witnessed a severe drought. Governor Bradford proclaimed another day of thanksgiving in the year 1676. October of 1777 witnessed a time when all the 13 colonies joined in a communal celebration. It also marked the victory over the British.

After a number of events and changes, President Lincoln proclaimed last Thursday in November of thanksgiving in the year 1863. This was due to the continuous efforts of Sarah Josepha Hale, a magazine editor. She wrote a number of articles for the cause.
 
Un biased said:
Do you mean a website to prove it Origin of Thanksgiving Day,Thanksgiving Day Origin Pumpkin and Thanksgiving Feast
Pumpkin pie, a modern staple adorning every dinner table, is unlikely to have been a part of the first thanksgiving feast. Pilgrims however, did have boiled pumpkin. Diminishing supply of flour led to the absence of any kind of bread.

The feast continued for three days and was eaten outside due to lack of space. It was not repeated till 1623, which again witnessed a severe drought. Governor Bradford proclaimed another day of thanksgiving in the year 1676. October of 1777 witnessed a time when all the 13 colonies joined in a communal celebration. It also marked the victory over the British.

After a number of events and changes, President Lincoln proclaimed last Thursday in November of thanksgiving in the year 1863. This was due to the continuous efforts of Sarah Josepha Hale, a magazine editor. She wrote a number of articles for the cause.
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No, you still don't have a primary source that says that the national holiday of Thanksgiving has anything to do with the Trail of Tears.
 
ReformCollege said:
No, you still don't have a primary source that says that the national holiday of Thanksgiving has anything to do with the Trail of Tears.
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I said it was Ironic that it was 30 years after the trail of tears . so that Gotta go could not say that the holiday was made before the atrocities when in fact it was made after , haven't you read the things I was quoting first before you posted ? ( I understand people like the jump the gun sometimes )
 
Dapper Andy said:
Should the United States do away with Thanksgiving and the 4th of July as designated public holidays in favor of something more inline with changing demographics?

I chalk up most of my nephews political views to being college age but over a weekend BBQ they seemed pretty adamant that some of our public (federally recognized) holidays were insensitive to minorities in this country. They seemed to view Thanksgiving and July 4th as particularly offensive.
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I don't believe that they should be "canceled." I can understand why both holidays might be considered a problem in terms of their history, but I think most Americans of all races and ethnicities have come to include both days into their traditions in spite of the country's history.
 
The only holiday we should eliminate is Christmas, because it privileges a particular religion. It can be replaced by the winter solstice, which is a multi cultural/religion celebration and close enough to Christmas for Christians to observe on that day. There is no factual, or even traditional basis for Christmas on December 25th.
 
Un biased said:
I said it was Ironic that it was 30 years after the trail of tears . so that Gotta go could not say that the holiday was made before the atrocities when in fact it was made after , haven't you read the things I was quoting first before you posted ? ( I understand people like the jump the gun sometimes )
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False. Get your facts straight before making statements like that.
 
Hard Truth said:
The only holiday we should eliminate is Christmas, because it privileges a particular religion. It can be replaced by the winter solstice, which is a multi cultural/religion celebration and close enough to Christmas for Christians to observe on that day. There is no factual, or even traditional basis for Christmas on December 25th.
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Christmas is meant to be all-inclusive with regard to federal holiday status. It's around the same time as Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, and all those other pseudo-holidays. Therefore, you can spend the 25th and the surrounding days worshiping, believing, or doing whatever your heart desires.

As stated before, no holiday flies in anyone's face. If you don't observe it, don't think about it. Only the most self-righteous and obsessive want to campaign against benevolent things that have negative detriment on no one.
 
Hard Truth said:
The only holiday we should eliminate is Christmas, because it privileges a particular religion. It can be replaced by the winter solstice, which is a multi cultural/religion celebration and close enough to Christmas for Christians to observe on that day. There is no factual, or even traditional basis for Christmas on December 25th.
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That is another holiday turned from its original purpose to a holiday about food and stores cashing in . I think it maybe considered to important to our economy to get rid of yet since of all the sales and jobs that revolve around that particular holiday or else in our PC world it would gradually disappear .
 
Gipper said:
Christmas is meant to be all-inclusive with regard to federal holiday status. It's around the same time as Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, and all those other pseudo-holidays. Therefore, you can spend the 25th and the surrounding days worshiping, believing, or doing whatever your heart desires.

As stated before, no holiday flies in anyone's face. If you don't observe it, don't think about it. Only the most self-righteous and obsessive want to campaign against benevolent things that have negative detriment on no one.
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That holiday is all in ones face ever seen all those Christmas specials on TV all the time but yet not another faiths , Like Hanukah as you have said never seen one . Christmas was never meant to be all inclusive it was to over shadow the romans holiday which in that time period , or the holiday would be in the spring , but now its all about ham and Santa clause as well as his elves so its cool .
 
Un biased said:
That holiday is all in ones face ever seen all those Christmas specials on TV all the time but yet not another faiths , Like Hanukah as you have said never seen one . Christmas was never meant to be all inclusive it was to over shadow the romans holiday which in that time period , or the holiday would be in the spring , but now its all about ham and Santa clause as well as his elves so its cool .
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So take it up with the populist media. The reason that they're Christmas specials is because America celebrates Christmas. If and when a significant portion of the country becomes Jewish or Muslim or whatever, you'll see an adjustment in the media-established celebrations.

There's no reason for people to get pissy that most people don't observe what they observe. If you observe something besides Christmas, observe it and shut up. I don't observe Valentines Day since it's a Hallmark holiday designed to bilk men out of money and give it to greedy women that need third-party "proof" that their men love them enough to put up with them...but do you see me going door-to-door with a petition? No. Oh, and I know that VD is not a federal holiday, so don't bother mentioning it.

If you don't observe Christmas, observe what you want and enjoy the couple days off. Frankly, I don't give a damn what other people like or don't like, and I don't feel like giving them a soapbox for it.
 
GottaGo said:
False. Get your facts straight before making statements like that.
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Well you did say it was in 1621 when in fact it was not so who is getting their facts wrong . Besides the bolded part of my statement isn't even a fact its something I put so you would not have to question my statement .
 
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