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Is Obama's Public Support of the Syrian Rebels a Diversionary Foreign Policy Tactic?

Is Obama's Public Support of the Syrian Rebels a Diversionary Foreign Policy Tactic?


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Re: Is Obama's Public Support of the Syrian Rebels a Diversionary Foreign Policy Tact

l agree diana

thats why l have been trying to draw attention to fake springs .


"Sovereignty is not given, it is taken." - ATATÜRK

It's very ironic to see a Muslim Turk preaching on the benefits of dictators in the Arab Muslim word, considering that Ataturk not only ended dictator rule in Turkey after WWI, but effectively ended 1400 years of Caliphate rule for all Muslims.
 
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"Sovereignty is not given, it is taken." - ATATÜRK

It's very ironic to see a Muslim Turk preaching on the benefits of dictators in the Arab Muslim word, considering that Ataturk not only ended dictator rule in Turkey after WWI, but effectively ended 1400 years of Caliphate rule for all Muslims.


atatürk was not islamist either.................
 
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atatürk was not islamist either.................

And everybody in the Arab Spring chanting "democracy," not "caliphate", is?

Well, the majority of the entire Middle East does not subscribe to oppressive rule or Islamic radicalism. The percentage is low. There are far more apathetic Muslims in the MENA than there are radicals or reformists. You seem to demand that they all suffer at the hands of the small minority. Doesn't Turkey have religious radicals? Perhaps to make the rest of us safe America should install a dictator to make you all behave. I'm sure Germans would prefer Turkey to have a ruler that keeps his people from immigrating across the border. Is this how it works or this how it is supposed to work for only other Muslims? My guess is that you would criticize America either way. To support the dictator or not to support the dictator, that is the burden of dealing with MENA Muslims I guess.
 
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And everybody in the Arab Spring chanting "democracy," not "caliphate", is?

Well, the majority of the entire Middle East does not subscribe to oppressive rule or Islamic radicalism. The percentage is low. There are far more apathetic Muslims in the MENA than there are radicals or reformists. You seem to demand that they all suffer at the hands of the small minority. Doesn't Turkey have religious radicals? Perhaps to make the rest of us safe America should install a dictator to make you all behave. I'm sure Germans would prefer Turkey to have a ruler that keeps his people from immigrating across the border. Is this how it works or this how it is supposed to work for only other Muslims? My guess is that you would criticize America either way. To support the dictator or not to support the dictator, that is the burden of dealing with MENA Muslims I guess.

turks were invited to live and work in germany by german government .
 
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That was Cold War mentality. That's over and has been for a very, very long time. People's mistake continues to be to pretend that we are forever stuck during that Cold War. Watching the Arab Spring take down these instruments of "stability" is exactly what we needed to do. If they slaughter each other along their way to more successful democracies, so be it. It's their culture. The sooner they are forced to take responsibility for their own civilization's failure the better and they weren't ever going to do it under Western supported dictators.

Is bigotry part of our culture? Seems to be part of the con culture.
 
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I guess that is just the perfect way of gaining control..the Americans are handing them weapons letting them take over the country and then they will do what they always do.
 
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turks were invited to live and work in germany by german government .

Are you talking about recovery plans like the Marshall Plan, as promoted by the United States, in the post World War II? Northern Africans were also invited to come and work in Europe. I'm pretty sure Europe's recovered now. With young French and German students unable to find work in a routinely high unemployment environment they want you to go home now.
 
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Is bigotry part of our culture? Seems to be part of the con culture.

Well, bigotry is part of every culture. It's a human condition. As is today's urgent obsession to run from the truth of matters for fear of being labeled a bigot. But let's look at this....

Bigotry is insisting that Arab Muslims can only behave under dictators as Medusa (a Muslim Turk) is preaching. Bigotry is insisting that the very few radicals in the crowd speak for the entire Arab Muslim population and therefore need handled thusly. Bigotry is insisting that democracy can work everywhere in the world except where Arab Muslims make the majority. See, that's bigotry.

Pointing out that Muslims must slaughter each other to get to the other side is a fact of history. It's what even Europeans had to do. In fact, Europeans fancied themselves two World Wars in order to move past their tribal mentalities and territory disputes. And when the Cold War ended and Yugoslavia cracked apart, what ensued? Tribal slaughter. Do you know why? Because unlike the rest of Europe, Yugoslavia was the only country after World War II not to have its borders re-drawn to reflect tribal identities. What do you think the entire MENA is going through right now? The MENA suffers from bad borders created by colonial Europeans and later maintained by U.S./Soviet Cold War influences.

Bigotry? I'm merely educated. Ignorance breeds bigotry and zealous political correctness breeds ignorance.
 
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I guess that is just the perfect way of gaining control..the Americans are handing them weapons letting them take over the country and then they will do what they always do.

America is a victim of its own successes and station. Because we are who we are, we are expected to do everything and to take the blame for everything. We have been placed on a pedestal and therefore every mistake or error we make gets defined as the lowest evil ever concocted in human history. Our great things are dismissed as simply tasks that we are supposed to do for them. Our apathy to not get involved makes us selfish as we are criticized for getting to the show late (WWI, WWII) or not at all (Rwanda, Sudan). Our involvement makes us interferers and interlopers to those who are on the wrong side or who are members of many of histories parties that we ruined along the way (Nazis, communists, fascists, etc.). Our imperfections makes us hypocrites whenever we do preach "right and wrong," yet the world hinges on what to do in accordance to America's decision making is so that we can take the blame for them.

From the American perspective, we are screwed no matter what we do. We do nothing and watch small issue turn into World Wars where more American lives and treasure gets spent. We do nothing and ethnic cleansing turns into genocide causing the spread of immigration, refugees, disease, and poverty. We do something ad we are blamed for whatever imperfection occurs along the way and radicals turn into extremists. We support dictator and we are blamed for what their cultures do. We support the rebels and we are supporting coups and the result of success by those rebels who go on to slaughter their own in the absence of the former who slaughtered their own. We can't isolate because the world won't permit it. We can't scrape and save because the world's economies demand we spend and spend and spend. We can't "Buy America" because the globe's governments whine about our elitism.

The world will do what it always does and blame America for every death a Muslim experiences at the hands of American supplied weapons in Syria. Despite Russia's support of the Syrian dictator only America will receive the sting of the Global degenerates. We may as well just support dictators and make it temporarily easier on us like we did during the Cold War.
 
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Well, bigotry is part of every culture. It's a human condition. As is today's urgent obsession to run from the truth of matters for fear of being labeled a bigot. But let's look at this....

Bigotry is insisting that Arab Muslims can only behave under dictators as Medusa (a Muslim Turk) is preaching. Bigotry is insisting that the very few radicals in the crowd speak for the entire Arab Muslim population and therefore need handled thusly. Bigotry is insisting that democracy can work everywhere in the world except where Arab Muslims make the majority. See, that's bigotry.

Pointing out that Muslims must slaughter each other to get to the other side is a fact of history. It's what even Europeans had to do. In fact, Europeans fancied themselves two World Wars in order to move past their tribal mentalities and territory disputes. And when the Cold War ended and Yugoslavia cracked apart, what ensued? Tribal slaughter. Do you know why? Because unlike the rest of Europe, Yugoslavia was the only country after World War II not to have its borders re-drawn to reflect tribal identities. What do you think the entire MENA is going through right now? The MENA suffers from bad borders created by colonial Europeans and later maintained by U.S./Soviet Cold War influences.

Bigotry? I'm merely educated. Ignorance breeds bigotry and zealous political correctness breeds ignorance.


bigotry is also referring to the president as the food stamp president, calling him a Muslim when he's not, saying he wasn't born here, saying he doesn't understand America, saying he's a dictator and should stay in Africa after his upcoming trip there, etc. ... you're right, bigotry can take many, many forms, and as long as human beings have group interests, bigotry will serve a purpose ... it is not simply about ignorance (although ignorance helps to perpetuate it) ... it serves a purpose ...
 
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Are you talking about recovery plans like the Marshall Plan, as promoted by the United States, in the post World War II? Northern Africans were also invited to come and work in Europe. I'm pretty sure Europe's recovered now. With young French and German students unable to find work in a routinely high unemployment environment they want you to go home now.

your racism is genetic ?
 
Re: Is Obama's Public Support of the Syrian Rebels a Diversionary Foreign Policy Tact

Do you believe that Obama's public support for the Syrian Rebels by arming them a diversionary foreign policy tactic?
I think it's a stupid, short-sighted move that involves us in yet another war we don't need to be sticking our noses in.
 
Re: Is Obama's Public Support of the Syrian Rebels a Diversionary Foreign Policy Tact

A simple slogan that works for simple problems.

Syria isn't sorting itself out is it? Syria has had events border events that threatened Turkey's involvement. Turkey is a member of NATO, which would involve others. Syria has also had Hezbollah, financed by Iran, get involved. Israel has bombed into Syria to attack Hezbollah fighters who are gun running. Hezbollah is based in Lebanon. When will Syrian forces attack Hezbollah camps in Lebanon? So what we have here is a local civil issue in Syria that has, so far, involved Turkey, Iran, Lebanon, and Israel. And of course Russia has been supplying arms to the Syrian government. Right before your very eyes you are witnessing an escalation of countries into what seemed to be something very minor.

Sort itself out? You sound like the many people in the first half of the 20th century who insisted that small problems in Europe need only to sort itself out. Perhaps we should do nothing and pretend that we can go untouched as the region explodes into World War. That way, we can spend far more and bleed more for what should have been tackled when it was more manageable.

While I understand NONCOM's aren't use to dealing with the "Big Picture" -- looking at my post do you not see the short-sightedness of aiding in one campaign those we are fighting against in several others?
 
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While I understand NONCOM's aren't use to dealing with the "Big Picture" -- looking at my post do you not see the short-sightedness of aiding in one campaign those we are fighting against in several others?

The military as a whole isn't used to dealing with big pictures. They aren't trained for it and lack the education necessary. It's why our troops ask why they are in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. For that matter, many of our diplomats aren't trained for it either, which is why they constantly create bigger issues from small ones.

Virtually everything happening in the Middle East is based on near sightedness and believe it or not it is because the West has chosen the easy paths. It's all dangerous. Doing nothing is dangerous. But too much is based on momentary event with long term consequences that we pretend is impossible to assess. The Syrian situation is black/white according to the West. We see one of the last dictators in the region blocking democracy against rebels who seek to topple him. What is actually happening in Syria is tribal warfare. To complicate matters the rebels have been infiltrated by radicals who represent those types we are fighting against in several other countries.

The Alawites compose the Syrian government and are the minority. The rebels are almost entirely Sunni. If the Sunni topple the Alawite tribe, the Alawites face cleansing so the Alawites will fight against the rebels.

None of this matters because, once again, this is the easier path and none of our leaders in Washington will address the true issue and the ultimate fix. Some of this is because they don't know how to fix what think is unfixable. Some of this is because they are plain stupid. The ultimate fix is to re-draw the borders. Syria suffers from tribal makeup. Iraq suffers from tribal makeup. Though Lebanon gave it its best effort, it too suffers from tribal makeup. Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan/Pakistan, etc. They all suffer from tribal makeup. All of this was the creation of European World War victors and the fall of the Ottoman Empire. Yugoslavia cracked apart immediately after the Cold War because it was the only nation in Europe not to have its borders re-drawn after WWII and suffered from tribal makeup. The slaughter in Sudan saw a new border created years ago because the tribe makeup demanded that they do so. Everywhere in the world we see healthy nations because the populations within are comprised of like minded people or individual tribe.

But, you know what the easy path is? Supporting rebels against dictators and pretending that everything happening can fall under the Arab Spring umbrella and passing the mess on to the next diplomat and president. In the end, it will not sort itself out. Somebody is going to have to call the tribes to the table and pull out a map. It's certainly more than what Europeans did far from the region when they pulled out a map and their Crayolas and started slashing.
 
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bigotry is also referring to the president as the food stamp president, calling him a Muslim when he's not, saying he wasn't born here, saying he doesn't understand America, saying he's a dictator and should stay in Africa after his upcoming trip there, etc. ... you're right, bigotry can take many, many forms, and as long as human beings have group interests, bigotry will serve a purpose ... it is not simply about ignorance (although ignorance helps to perpetuate it) ... it serves a purpose ...

.......I didn't say any of this.......perhaps you are mistaken who you replied to?
 
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your racism is genetic ?

I'm not sure where you are getting the racism in my post. Aren't you the Muslim Turk that prefers that Arab Muslims fall under dictators because they don't know how to behave without them?
 
Re: Is Obama's Public Support of the Syrian Rebels a Diversionary Foreign Policy Tact

Yes.
I feel like a Harry Potter quote would work here.
"Oh, he'll try, I'm sure.... The usual empty words the usual slithering out of action"
-Bellatrix Lestrange
I personally believe actions speak greater volumes than words. Obama can declare support for anything he wants, but acting on it is better.
 
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.......I didn't say any of this.......perhaps you are mistaken who you replied to?

I didn't say you did ... I was simply responding to your views on bigotry and adding to them more than anything ...
 
Re: Is Obama's Public Support of the Syrian Rebels a Diversionary Foreign Policy Tact

Do you believe that Obama's public support for the Syrian Rebels by arming them a diversionary foreign policy tactic?

To get an idea watch this short video: Escobar: Obama starts Syria war to deviate from Snowden scandal - YouTube

Do you think its a tactic or do you think its tactic used by the Obama admin?


I voted NO! I think it is a convenient tactic to feed the Military/Industrial Corporate Complex and also because our economy is at a point where permanent war is the only industry making jobs.
 
Re: Is Obama's Public Support of the Syrian Rebels a Diversionary Foreign Policy Tact

No, I don't. I believe that he made a tough-talk statement about the use of chemical weapons being a "red line" with the USA if crossed, so once it was crossed he had to follow through.

I think it's bad policy for our country, though. We'll be arming Islamists of all hues, including Al Qaeda, and it's not a matter of "if" they use those weapons against us, it's a matter of "when".

Maybe Obama is helping wrong side. Here is the true red line.

The BRAD BLOG : Reuters: U.N. Investigators Say Syrian Rebels, Not Syrian Regime, Used Chemical Weapons

"Reuters: U.N. Investigators Say Syrian Rebels, Not Syrian Regime, Used Chemical Weapons"

"From Reuters tonight:
U.N. human rights investigators have gathered testimony from casualties of Syria's civil war and medical staff indicating that rebel forces have used the nerve agent sarin, one of the lead investigators said on Sunday.The United Nations independent commission of inquiry on Syria has not yet seen evidence of government forces having used chemical weapons, which are banned under international law, said commission member Carla Del Ponte.
"Our investigators have been in neighboring countries interviewing victims, doctors and field hospitals and, according to their report of last week which I have seen, there are strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof of the use of sarin gas, from the way the victims were treated," Del Ponte said in an interview with Swiss-Italian television.
"This was use on the part of the opposition, the rebels, not by the government authorities," she added, speaking in Italian.

So, it was the rebels, according to actual named sources, not the Syrian regime which may have used the sarin gas that set off the chain of events described above over the past week and a half?"

Isn't this the red line Obama, McCain and many others talked about?

Should we kick the rebels asses?

Now, who is the bad guy?

If we attack the rebels, do we still get the OIL? OOPS, it's never about OIL!
 
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