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Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

Would you openly say you are proud to be American/nationality of your country?

  • Yes, I am American and very proud to be American, and I will gladly tell that everybody.

    Votes: 23 24.0%

  • Yes, I am American and feel proud to be American, but I wouldn't boast with it..

    Votes: 6 6.3%

  • Yes, I'm American and proud, but I also think many things could be improved about my country.

    Votes: 26 27.1%

  • No. I'm American, but living here was not my achievement. So why should I be proud?

    Votes: 16 16.7%

  • No, I'm American and way too many things are going wrong here.

    Votes: 6 6.3%

  • Yes. I'm NOT American, but I'm proud to be citizen of my country.

    Votes: 3 3.1%

  • Yes. I'm NOT American, but I'm proud, although I see room for improvement..

    Votes: 4 4.2%

  • No. I'm NOT American, and being born here was not due to my efforts. Why being proud?

    Votes: 4 4.2%

  • No. I'm NOT American, and my country sucks. No way to be proud.

    Votes: 1 1.0%

  • other (please explain)

    Votes: 7 7.3%
  • Total voters
    96
I'm very proud of our history and the traditional aspects of America that remain unslimed by the shame of forty years of rampant, flaming Liberalism. I'm very proud of our military and those who serve. They're the best!
 
German guy said:
In Germany, for understandable reasons, many people are reluctant to say they're "proud to be German".

How about you? Are you proud to be American/British/[insert nationality here]? Or rather, would you openly word it this way?
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I am proud to be an American!
 
iliveonramen said:
I'm very glad I was born in the US...but I would feel the same way about being born in any modern country that affords you the opportunity the US does.

The proud aspect....I'm not so sure. How are you proud of place that you're here because your mom and dad happened to be geographically located on a specific area of the world? I generally take pride in my actions or results based on my actions.
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Pride in your nation is pride in the actions of all who came before you and what their actions then resulted in today. Pride in your nation is pride in being conected to that heritage, being a part of it, and carrying it on.
 
German guy said:
In Germany, for understandable reasons, many people are reluctant to say they're "proud to be German".

How about you? Are you proud to be American/British/[insert nationality here]? Or rather, would you openly word it this way?
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I'm glad I was born here (the United States) and I'm glad that I live here. I also think that the United States has a lot of potential to be an ideal human society in terms of realizing human and social potential.

However, I wouldn't say that I'm "proud" to be American. I don't think that being American - or any nationality - means enough to be proud of it.
 
I am an America, but now when I am out of country I find myself sincerely apologizing for the actions/positions of my government more than I have in the past.
 
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DDD said:
Is that still the case though!? Even after 68 years?
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I don't think it's that hard to imagine. History stays with people. Just like generations pass down the good memories of the past, they pass down the bad. In the United States, Americans still display pride in how "we" performed in World War II so wouldn't it make sense that those who lost and ended up on the "wrong" side of history might still feel shame?
 
may l be proud of being turk

l may be seen as fascist ,nationalist racist etc because l am not wasp :2razz:
 
MaggieD said:
No. I'm proud of my country most of the time, but I'm not proud to be an American. That was a lucky accident of birth.
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I agree. I've never understood how someone can be "proud" of where they happened to be born. Pride is for actions - things you've done, things you've accomplished.
 
DaveFagan said:
I am ashamed of our National policies, but in my youth I was a "blind patriot," and thought the USA was the savior of the world. Vietnam woke me up. We are not the good guys that the people think we are. We are Imperialists and resource thieves and have historically thrived on war. That is why we have a $700 billion Military Offense budget. I like living here except for the frustration of not being able to change the country's direction. I have accepted that the vast majority of the citizens have no clue what is going on. That's the beauty of the Forums because it is an opportunity to inform.
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Good evening, DaveFagan. :2wave:

Unfortunately, too many of our citizens are like the man on the street who has no interest in anything political, and would probably give you a blank look if you asked him about his opinion on Syria or Libya. Both he and his wife can tell you about the latest Kardashian caper, though... :mrgreen:

Doubly unfortunate is the fact that I can almost guarantee that few of them are on sites like this, so they are not going to become any better informed than they are right now! And that seems to suit Washington, DC just fine . Sad, but true! :shock:
 
There are those who believe, as Cecil Rhodes did, that to be born an Englishman is to have won first prize in life's lottery. I'm not one of them. Being proud of the geography of one's birth seems a little silly to me; it's like being proud of the fact you have grey eyes. You might find it nice, you might find it unpleasant, but there's very little you can do to change it. Why take credit for achievements you had no part in realising? Why feel guilt for mistakes made years or centuries before your birth?
 
polgara said:
Good evening, radcen. :2wave:

I believe that most people on this planet want what we do...the ability to raise their children in peace; access to clean water and sufficient food to survive; a government that is responsive to their needs; and the freedom to better themselves. It seems that the first thing people do when they are "liberated," is to have the right to vote. Since some countries have never known the concept of democracy, but only chaos or a dictatorship, they surprise us by voting for more of what they originally rebelled against, if we can believe what is reported! Go figure! :shock: Maybe time is the only answer......
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Excellent point, and I agree. I have long believed that the vast majority of people in the world simply want to have a decent life and to be left alone.
 
I'm proud to be an American! We have our sins for sure, who doesn't, but overall has there been a better nation than ours? Our charity alone, I believe, ranks us above any country in history. We've liberated (or helped liberate) countries and set up democracies (Germany and Japan for example) and the world is a better place for it. Our ingenuity over the past couple hundred years is second to none. We have a great constitution and an incredible history of blood, sweat, and tears to not only establish this country (Revolutionary War) but to maintain it (Civil War).
 
DaveFagan said:
I am ashamed of our National policies, but in my youth I was a "blind patriot," and thought the USA was the savior of the world. Vietnam woke me up. We are not the good guys that the people think we are. We are Imperialists and resource thieves and have historically thrived on war. That is why we have a $700 billion Military Offense budget. I like living here except for the frustration of not being able to change the country's direction. I have accepted that the vast majority of the citizens have no clue what is going on. That's the beauty of the Forums because it is an opportunity to inform.
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You sound like a liberal to me.







That's compliment.
 
JC Callender said:
I'm proud to be an American! We have our sins for sure, who doesn't, but overall has there been a better nation than ours? Our charity alone, I believe, ranks us above any country in history. We've liberated (or helped liberate) countries and set up democracies (Germany and Japan for example) and the world is a better place for it. Our ingenuity over the past couple hundred years is second to none. We have a great constitution and an incredible history of blood, sweat, and tears to not only establish this country (Revolutionary War) but to maintain it (Civil War).
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I agree that we handled our occupation of Japan and Germany well, probably because we learned lessons from how we treated Germany after WWI. (also both countries were finally ready to be compliant after having been bombed into full submission) However, almost every other place we intervened we did more damage than good.
 
polgara said:
Good evening, radcen. :2wave:

. It seems that the first thing people do when they are "liberated," is to have the right to vote. Since some countries have never known the concept of democracy, but only chaos or a dictatorship, they surprise us by voting for more of what they originally rebelled against, if we can believe what is reported! Go figure! :shock: Maybe time is the only answer......
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You also noticed that, so have I.
 
Can you give an example?

Hard Truth said:
I agree that we handled our occupation of Japan and Germany well, probably because we learned lessons from how we treated Germany after WWI. (also both countries were finally ready to be compliant after having been bombed into full submission) However, almost every other place we intervened we did more damage than good.
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polgara said:
Good evening, radcen. :2wave:

I believe that most people on this planet want what we do...the ability to raise their children in peace; access to clean water and sufficient food to survive; a government that is responsive to their needs; and the freedom to better themselves. It seems that the first thing people do when they are "liberated," is to have the right to vote. Since some countries have never known the concept of democracy, but only chaos or a dictatorship, they surprise us by voting for more of what they originally rebelled against, if we can believe what is reported! Go figure! :shock: Maybe time is the only answer......
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Hey Polgara ... some things do take time ... we're still working on our "democracy," aren't we? But I'm afraid that as long as wealth is as poorly distributed as it is, the kind of fairness and goodness you and I want to see ain't gonna happen ... but this is a pretty good place to live, despite its faults, no? A lot of good people in this country, whether they're on the right or left ... unfortunately we pick the wrong ones to serve in D.C. ... we gotta get smarter that way ...
 
JC Callender said:
Can you give an example?
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JC ... you responded to this post: Originally Posted by Hard Truth

I agree that we handled our occupation of Japan and Germany well, probably because we learned lessons from how we treated Germany after WWI. (also both countries were finally ready to be compliant after having been bombed into full submission) However, almost every other place we intervened we did more damage than good.

Anyway, I don't think this is a good way to talk about it. We don't know how it would've turned out. But let's take Guatemala in 1954, when we removed from power a democratically-elected President (Arbenz) and put in his place a military dictator and other dictators followed who killed 10s of thousands of people, mainly poor peasants for decades. As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter if Guatemala would've turned out worse (however you measure that) had we allowed the people of Guatemala to choose their President - What we did was wrong, disgusting, shameful, criminal ... we had no right to do that, and we did it much too often ... and we wonder why we're not universally loved ...
 
I don't know much about this conflict, but did he have Communist ties? If so, the Monroe Doctrine would prohibit that, which I personally think is fair, as Communism was a major threat.

windowdressing said:
JC ... you responded to this post: Originally Posted by Hard Truth

I agree that we handled our occupation of Japan and Germany well, probably because we learned lessons from how we treated Germany after WWI. (also both countries were finally ready to be compliant after having been bombed into full submission) However, almost every other place we intervened we did more damage than good.

Anyway, I don't think this is a good way to talk about it. We don't know how it would've turned out. But let's take Guatemala in 1954, when we removed from power a democratically-elected President (Arbenz) and put in his place a military dictator and other dictators followed who killed 10s of thousands of people, mainly poor peasants for decades. As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter if Guatemala would've turned out worse (however you measure that) had we allowed the people of Guatemala to choose their President - What we did was wrong, disgusting, shameful, criminal ... we had no right to do that, and we did it much too often ... and we wonder why we're not universally loved ...
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We live In the greatest country in the history of the world and I am so proud to be a citizen.
 
DaveFagan said:
Not that I intended. Are your ears full of sand?
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Maybe if you spent a bit more time in being informed rather than only informing, it might seem less arrogant. As for sand, pound it if you want.
 
JC Callender said:
I don't know much about this conflict, but did he have Communist ties? If so, the Monroe Doctrine would prohibit that, which I personally think is fair, as Communism was a major threat.
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no, although, the U.S. routinely used that to justify intervening for economic reasons ... STILL ... Who the hell are we to pick other countries' leaders because it is in our interest? Unbelievable ... I'm surprised (and disappointed - and yes I know you don't care if I am) that you believe this JC ...
 
We chose to overthrow Hitler, didn't we? Let's say we decided to take Hitler out in 1934, would that have been unjustified as well?

windowdressing said:
no, although, the U.S. routinely used that to justify intervening for economic reasons ... STILL ... Who the hell are we to pick other countries' leaders because it is in our interest? Unbelievable ... I'm surprised (and disappointed - and yes I know you don't care if I am) that you believe this JC ...
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JC Callender said:
We chose to overthrow Hitler, didn't we? Let's say we decided to take Hitler out in 1934, would that have been unjustified as well?
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Hitler declared war on us, the republicans were hell bent on staying out of 'European problems' because 18th century men said so.

And for the same reasons you can't shoot everyone you think MIGHT rape, murder, or remove the factory tag from mattresses ya can't 'take out' leaders we don't agree with, like in Chile '73.
 
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