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How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

HOW MANY IRAQIS DIED?

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Why would it have been the wrong decision?

Boo Radley said:
I wonder how they consider that arrogant belief, especially those who lost so much, without even being asked? If Iraq becomes heaven on earth in 50 years, it would have still been the wrong decision. The results don't justify the means.
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JC Callender said:
Why would it have been the wrong decision?
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It was imperialistic, thinking we know what to do for others. It cost a ton of lives inflicted on those who did not ask for war. It hurt us in many, many ways. And cost for too much in terms of money, lives, and expense for far too little.
 
If you saw a man down the street beating his wife on the front lawn, would you assume you don't know what's best for his wife and stay out of it. Would you assume she would want you to stay out of it?

Boo Radley said:
It was imperialistic, thinking we know what to do for others. It cost a ton of lives inflicted on those who did not ask for war. It hurt us in many, many ways. And cost for too much in terms of money, lives, and expense for far too little.
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JC Callender said:
Let's say a man wanted to egg your house one evening and was looking for volunteers to help, and found about 10 of them. After they did it, would you say it was poor leadership, but praise the volunteers for a job well done?

And according to your theory, Reagan, as much as he'd built up the military in the 80's, should have been the worst war monger of all. What war did he start?
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Do you mean, other than Nicaragua, Guatemala, Honduras and Granada?
 
Boo Radley said:
I wonder how they consider that arrogant belief, especially those who lost so much, without even being asked? If Iraq becomes heaven on earth in 50 years, it would have still been the wrong decision. The results don't justify the means.
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Quite obviously, that is your opinion, completely subjective dependent upon your views and ideology and nothing more.
 
JC Callender said:
If you saw a man down the street beating his wife on the front lawn, would you assume you don't know what's best for his wife and stay out of it. Would you assume she would want you to stay out of it?
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Not remotely the same thing, though more than one wife has turned on those who helped her. We cost more lives that would have likely be lost otherwise. We made things much worse for a long time. And we still don't know how it will end. It's hubris to think you know what is best for another country.
 
ChrisL said:
Quite obviously, that is your opinion, completely subjective dependent upon your views and ideology and nothing more.
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Of course it is my opinion, but one I'm prepared to support. It is also your opinion that it matters. It is also subjective and reflective of your ideology in case you don't know. ;)
 
Did we know what was best for Nazi Germany?

Boo Radley said:
Not remotely the same thing, though more than one wife has turned on those who helped her. We cost more lives that would have likely be lost otherwise. We made things much worse for a long time. And we still don't know how it will end. It's hubris to think you know what is best for another country.
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Boo Radley said:
Of course it is my opinion, but one I'm prepared to support. It is also your opinion that it matters. It is also subjective and reflective of your ideology in case you don't know. ;)
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I understand that. Like others have said, no one knows what the future holds for Iraq. I really doubt if the UN or any of the allies who fought and lost people in the war would just allow Iran or whomever to come in and take Iraq. Especially if that OIL is so god awful important.
 
ChrisL said:
I understand that. Like others have said, no one knows what the future holds for Iraq. I really doubt if the UN or any of the allies who fought and lost people in the war would just allow Iran or whomever to come in and take Iraq. Especially if that OIL is so god awful important.
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Iran doesn't have to. As far as Iran goes, which I didn't mention, just having a friendly Iraq is a enough of a victory for them (which is why they helped us invade).
 
JC Callender said:
If you saw a man down the street beating his wife on the front lawn, would you assume you don't know what's best for his wife and stay out of it. Would you assume she would want you to stay out of it?
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Assuming that most women would prefer not to be beaten, I could almost guarantee that she might appreciate any assistance you could offer her. :lamo:

Greetings, JC. :2wave:
 
Iraq has a CHANCE to get it's act together. Whether they can take that opportunity and capitalize on it remains to be seen. If they can't, then it is due to their own dysfunction though. Plenty of countries have suffered through wars and come through because they make it work. Iraq ALSO gets money from the US. Let's not forget that little fact either.
 
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Evening Polgara, good to see you!

polgara said:
Assuming that most women would prefer not to be beaten, I could almost guarantee that she might appreciate any assistance you could offer her. :lamo:

Greetings, JC. :2wave:
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Boo Radley said:
Iran doesn't have to. As far as Iran goes, which I didn't mention, just having a friendly Iraq is a enough of a victory for them (which is why they helped us invade).
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Where is your evidence that Iraq is friendly with Iran. Those two countries have a hatred for one another that has been going on for probably centuries.
 
JC Callender said:
So Reagan ramped up military production for these operations?
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Secondarily, the primary motivations were stimulation of the US economy via debt spending and to get the USSR into another arms race.
 
This is too Boo Radley:

Another thing. Are you inferring because Saddam isn't alive, making his ridiculous threats, and Ahmadinejad responding in kind that they are "friendly" now? :confused:

And what's wrong if Iran and Iraq were friendly. Isn't that what we want? For them to all just get along in that region?
 
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polgara said:
Assuming that most women would prefer not to be beaten, I could almost guarantee that she might appreciate any assistance you could offer her. :lamo:

Greetings, JC. :2wave:
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Some do, some don't. I've seen a few that turn on the person trying to "help" her. I don't like seeing it and will still butt in, but don't really expect gratitude from the woman I am trying to help.
 
Boo Radley said:
Iran doesn't have to. As far as Iran goes, which I didn't mention, just having a friendly Iraq is a enough of a victory for them (which is why they helped us invade).
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I'm not sure what you refer to as a "friendly" Iraq. In that they are in no position to attack, perhaps. Iran's leadership is fundamentally fanatical Shia (Shi'ite) and only is "friendly" with other Shia leadership. It would never be "friends" with the Sunni population or any leadership that is Sunni. Iran has a much longer track record supporting violence and terrorism against Sunni's than it does against the west. It supplied arms and people for the Shia insurgents in Iraq. It also funded Shi'ite uprisings in other Sunni led countries.
 
DVSentinel said:
Some do, some don't. I've seen a few that turn on the person trying to "help" her. I don't like seeing it and will still butt in, but don't really expect gratitude from the woman I am trying to help.
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Some women are so into that mindset that they don't appreciate good manners. I've seen some get offended if a man opens a door for them, and that's sad. It has nothing to do with ability, but rather courtesy. I speak for most women, I believe.

Good evening, DVSentinel :2wave:
 
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