*No, society has most definitely held the individual interests of its members at heart.
*It is for selfish gain.
*We are not speaking of the right of pro-life people to vote their conscience and try to eliminate abortion. They have that right, provided their goal is to serve the best interests of society -- which is to protect the individual's freedoms. If their goal is selfish.
*It is her body, it is her freedom; all the rest of you are infringing on it, and society has the right to stop you.
*Then you agree with me?
<I agree with the logic, though since I hold a different premise I do not agree with your conclusion>
*Pro-life has the right to try to eliminate abortion as long as they are not doing it for selfish reasons, and as long as their efforts are intended to protect the freedoms of individual members of society.
<That's exactly what they are doing>
*There is a difference: which side is attempting to live up to the purpose of society, which is to enact laws to protect the freedoms and rights of its individual members?
*The right to force a woman to bear a child to term because you happened to impregnate her is not spelled out in the Constitution, either. So if I am arguing for a non-existent right, then so are you.
<...Troxil...>
*But bodily sovereignty will carry the day. It is far more basic and fundamental than is the right to protect a parent's interests in his child. Your body, your self, must always come first.
<"bodily sovereignty" does not exist--your body is under the jurisdiction of the U.S., and thus is not sovereign>
*The individual right you are arguing for does not exist....
<...Troxil...>
*I change my argument.
<then you strawman--your argument has been defeated, let it lay.>
*It comes back to who has first claim to the body in question, and who thus has the individual freedom that is being infringed by other interested parties: it is the woman, not the fetus, and so it matters not at all if the fetus is in fact a person. The woman's body, the woman's choice.
<This is why I often quote Roe Sect. 9a, because rights have rank and priority, so if a ZEF is given "personhood" it has priority claim over it's mothers body, again, per Roe Sect. 9a.>