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Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

Gay baby

  • Yes

    Votes: 35 45.5%

  • No

    Votes: 42 54.5%
  • Total voters
    77
jallman said:
Tab P works just fine in Slot A. It does exactly the same thing it does in Slot V.
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To be fair to his argument I think you're just being argumentive.

Tab P many potential uses and abilities.

Many of those uses and abilities can function with the abilities and uses of Slot A.

However to take advantage of ALL of the abilities of Tab P (and the things that come out of it are part of the package) one must go with Slot V.

Its kind of like a laptop.

Your laptop may have a great video card in it to play WOW, however it throtles itself based on power. Now, that means your laptop can play WOW at low settings when on battery power, enough to do world stuff but not raid. But once you pair it up with a power outlet suddenly it has more capabilities as the video card can do ALL of the potential processes its programmed to do, letting you run WOW at the highest settings even when doing 25 mans.

Without question, that laptop can do more things when its paired with certain equipment (the power outlet) than when just using other equipment (the battery). This doesn't mean its ineffective on the battery, some people don't need or care about raiding or high graphics (making the babies). But without question to get everything possible out of the laptop....and tab P....you need the proper equipment on the other end that will enable it.

;)
 
Zyphlin said:
To be fair to his argument I think you're just being argumentive.

Tab P many potential uses and abilities.

Many of those uses and abilities can function with the abilities and uses of Slot A.

However to take advantage of ALL of the abilities of Tab P (and the things that come out of it are part of the package) one must go with Slot V.

Its kind of like a laptop.

Your laptop may have a great video card in it to play WOW, however it throtles itself based on power. Now, that means your laptop can play WOW at low settings when on battery power, enough to do world stuff but not raid. But once you pair it up with a power outlet suddenly it has more capabilities as the video card can do ALL of the potential processes its programmed to do, letting you run WOW at the highest settings even when doing 25 mans.

Without question, that laptop can do more things when its paired with certain equipment (the power outlet) than when just using other equipment (the battery). This doesn't mean its ineffective on the battery, some people don't need or care about raiding or high graphics (making the babies). But without question to get everything possible out of the laptop....and tab P....you need the proper equipment on the other end that will enable it.

;)
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But see, you are working under the supposition that my intention is to play WoW and all that comes along with that with the levels and the professions and the guild family and on and on and on.

Sometimes, I just wanna entertain myself with a quick game of minesweeper because I got sick of playing Solitaire. :lol:
 
jallman said:
What does that have to do with anything? It's using the body for something it wasn't "naturally" suited for. You're now trying to move the goal posts.

The body was never meant to travel at 60+ miles an hour by ground. Yet you unnaturally force that situation every day when you get into an automobile.

The body was never meant to fly but you force that situation, unnaturally, every time you get on a plane.

More directly relevant to the topic, a woman was never "meant" to insert a penis into her mouth, but no one really rails against that unnatural occurence.

For that matter, any position for coitus between two heterosexual partners that doesn't lend itself to optimum chance for pregnancy should be considered unnatural.

That appeal to nature fallacy is a fallacy for a reason.
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My point is that genitals are for waste removal and reproduction. I don't think I said it was wrong or unnatural. If I did then let me clarify: I don't care what you do with your penis, vagina, and/or anus but in reference to nature vs man-devised concepts, Tab P goes in Slot V to created Baby. OR Slot V, Slot A, and Tab P discharge that which the body no longer needs. Man is clever, he found different uses for them. Doesn't make them 'wrong', but it doesn't make them 'right' either. They just...are.

Edit: if it feels good, go for it.
 
Zyphlin said:
To be fair to his argument I think you're just being argumentive.

Tab P many potential uses and abilities.

Many of those uses and abilities can function with the abilities and uses of Slot A.

However to take advantage of ALL of the abilities of Tab P (and the things that come out of it are part of the package) one must go with Slot V.

Its kind of like a laptop.

Your laptop may have a great video card in it to play WOW, however it throtles itself based on power. Now, that means your laptop can play WOW at low settings when on battery power, enough to do world stuff but not raid. But once you pair it up with a power outlet suddenly it has more capabilities as the video card can do ALL of the potential processes its programmed to do, letting you run WOW at the highest settings even when doing 25 mans.

Without question, that laptop can do more things when its paired with certain equipment (the power outlet) than when just using other equipment (the battery). This doesn't mean its ineffective on the battery, some people don't need or care about raiding or high graphics (making the babies). But without question to get everything possible out of the laptop....and tab P....you need the proper equipment on the other end that will enable it.

;)
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This is more of what I was going for. Thanks!
 
MrVicchio said:
I'm gonna let you all in on a personal secret here.

When I was 13 my parents put me in a private boys school for two and a half years. I was raped, molested and forced to do many things against my will. I won't go further then to say it was over an nine month period of sexual debauchery where I was used and abused in ways none of you should ever EVER have to go through. My view of homosexual activity is very much from a "been there done that" point of view. In fact, my parents were told that I was going to be gay for the rest of my life because of the amount of abuse I suffered and the effect it had on me.

I fully understand the physical side of it, I even came to crave the abuse, because it WAS in the end, pleasurable once the beatings and physical abuse stopped and it just became sex. But I realized how wrong it was. I should, by all accounts be a gay male. I am not. I am happily married and have no desire to return to that.

I also think I'm going to regret admitting this on here, but that was 20 years ago in my life, and I'm tired of hiding from it. I'm also sick of people talking about **** they don't know anything about.
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That's awful, V. And while I appreciate your honesty and openness, I must point out that I believe some of your attitudes have been shaped by this experience of abuse rather than by a knowledge of homosexuality.
 
MrVicchio said:
Not really, I was out to make a point about the difference between a genetic PROOF we have, and a choice people make.

You feel attracted to someone, be it same sex or opposite sex. Who cares WHY for the moment,t he fact is you ACT on that feeling.

That's what seperates man from animals, good from bad.

Who CARES the origin of the impulse?

Really let's boil it all down, so what if you are genetically predisposed to be gay? Does that make it RIGHT?

I say it does not, and further it ULTIMATELY is your CHOICE to act on said impulses.

Humans by nature, are nasty violent creatures prone to harming others, yet we believe that it's a choice to commit murder, and penalize it. Is it no tin our genes to kill? Is it not a natural reaction, when you come home early and find your wife being ****ed by some guy to reach for a weapon and kill him for intruding on your territory?

Yet you go to prison for acting on genetically imprinted behaviors.
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I highlighted the essence of your argument. Your opinion...which is fine, but proves zilch.
 
jallman said:
That's awful, V. And while I appreciate your honesty and openness, I must point out that I believe some of your attitudes have been shaped by this experience of abuse rather than by a knowledge of homosexuality.
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That's entirely true, I admit I am biased.
 
MrVicchio said:
I'm gonna let you all in on a personal secret here.

When I was 13 my parents put me in a private boys school for two and a half years. I was raped, molested and forced to do many things against my will. I won't go further then to say it was over an nine month period of sexual debauchery where I was used and abused in ways none of you should ever EVER have to go through. My view of homosexual activity is very much from a "been there done that" point of view. In fact, my parents were told that I was going to be gay for the rest of my life because of the amount of abuse I suffered and the effect it had on me.

I fully understand the physical side of it, I even came to crave the abuse, because it WAS in the end, pleasurable once the beatings and physical abuse stopped and it just became sex. But I realized how wrong it was. I should, by all accounts be a gay male. I am not. I am happily married and have no desire to return to that.

I also think I'm going to regret admitting this on here, but that was 20 years ago in my life, and I'm tired of hiding from it. I'm also sick of people talking about **** they don't know anything about.
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I am sorry that happened to you...and I would caution ANYONE on this forum using this information to attack MrV...you will earn an enemy in me if you do.

One thing, though, MrV. You were raped. Rape is about anger and power, not sex. Did you know that the vast majority of male prisoners who rape other males are heterosexual? I can show you studies and information that describe this phenomenon.

What happened to you was terrible, and I understand how it may have affected your views, but it wasn't about homosexuality. It was about violence. And the fact that you did not "turn" gay is because you are NOT gay...and since you are not, nothing can "turn" you.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
I am sorry that happened to you...and I would caution ANYONE on this forum using this information to attack MrV...you will earn an enemy in me if you do.

One thing, though, MrV. You were raped. Rape is about anger and power, not sex. Did you know that the vast majority of male prisoners who rape other males are heterosexual? I can show you studies and information that describe this phenomenon.

What happened to you was terrible, and I understand how it may have affected your views, but it wasn't about homosexuality. It was about violence. And the fact that you did not "turn" gay is because you are NOT gay...and since you are not, nothing can "turn" you.
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Well, look, it started as rape, then it became molestation, then it became willing partner. There were 7 of them that did this.

I fought, I suffered, then I gave in. I finally ended it after, hehe of all things, AM Radio. I heard a preacher late one night, and he was talking about "Guud" (His accent was terrible) and it opened my eyes, and my heart.

I suppose that to explain more would be to personal, but let's just put it this way CC, I've been to counciling over this, I've been told by experts I AM gay, and should just embrace it it's okay. Perhaps that's my source of bias on this... I reject that line of thinking outright.

I really can't believe I just posted this on here... oye.

See, angry posting bad, I think I'll take a break now...
 
Jerry said:
It's her body, her choice, right?

Who are you to be so judgmental and force her to comply with your morals?

If a woman wanted to abort a gay fetus, you would force her to become a slave and raise her unwanted gay baby?
You don't sound very Pro-Choice suddenly.
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Interesting point.

But the reason that others, including myself are anti-life... is that we think a women should have the ability to not have a child after she gets pregnant.

My rationale isn't so a women could have complete control over her body, and I am certaintly against a women choosing to have an abortion by discriminating against a certain characteristic that the child might have.


Some may say that a women should have complete control over her body, but I am not one of them, so I have no contradictions for this :D

And I don't even care about imposing morals on others, it should only be done if it helps society, but I just feel that MOST of the time it doesn't. But this is one of those rare reversals on that.
 
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Sexual preference?

Is it really preference or what?


If you're into a certain thing that gets you off, should that define you? or be one definition of you?
 
MrVicchio said:
Well, look, it started as rape, then it became molestation, then it became willing partner. There were 7 of them that did this.

I fought, I suffered, then I gave in. I finally ended it after, hehe of all things, AM Radio. I heard a preacher late one night, and he was talking about "Guud" (His accent was terrible) and it opened my eyes, and my heart.

I suppose that to explain more would be to personal, but let's just put it this way CC, I've been to counciling over this, I've been told by experts I AM gay, and should just embrace it it's okay. Perhaps that's my source of bias on this... I reject that line of thinking outright.

I really can't believe I just posted this on here... oye.

See, angry posting bad, I think I'll take a break now...
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Any one who told you that you were gay is no expert. NO ONE can tell you what your sexual orientation is, but you. A lot happened to you, MrV. It was trauma. I've discussed this issue with Jerry about how trauma can affect sexual behaviors and perceptions...but NOT sexual orientation.

I have lots more information on this if you ever want to discuss it.
 
Mr. V, I'm sorry to hear that happened to you. As someone whose very close to someone that was sexually abused I know the kind of damage, both conscious and subconscious, it can have on someone. Its something no one should have to go through in any capacity.

That said, while perhaps some of us have varying degree's of knowledge of homosexuality, at least one person on this thread disagreeing with you actually IS gay. I think you'd be hard pressed to state Jall is arguing about stuff he doesn't know about.

You were abused, and people that are abused react to it in various ways. I knew a person that for years, and still at times now, needed some kind of light on when they slept at times because of a fear that grabbed them in the dark (This was in college mind you), will have a mental breakdown if you happen to make grilled cheese sandwich for them after sex, who believed themselves and their roll in sex to be nothing different than a sex toy, and who would state their desire for somewhat rough sex with their partner being dominant only to break down in hysterical tears over it. These things happened because of the damage that such intense abuse can have on people. I don't think you're going to find many honest people on this forum, even those that think generally homosexuality is genetic, that is going to say that sexual abuse can not have a dramatic and varied effect on people.

However, your experience...as sad as it is...in no way proves that homosexuality is evil, wrong, or inappropriate any more than the man that abused the person I know proves that heterosexuality is evil, wrong, or inappropriate. It does not prove that homosexuality is completely and singularly a choice, because there are homosexuals that did NOT get abused and are yet part of that life style.

Myself, my personal view, is that its a bit of both. I think that people are genetically predisposed to it to a point. However a predisposition, or not having one, does not necessarily mean one will or will not be gay. I think it simply makes it more likely to happen. Environmental and social factors, as well as other internal emotional factors, can all play into it. And someone who is absolutely heterosexual could find themselves choosing to be homosexual...just like someone that is left handed could choose to learn to use their right hand primarily, or have trauma to their left hand that essentially forces them to learn to use their right hand. However, the fact that it can be a choice for some doesn't preclude that it may NOT be a choice for others. However, personally, I think it tends to be those that aren't genetically predisposed to it that "become" homosexual for a period of time but generally do not stay in such a way (For example, the girls at the college I spoke of earlier in this thread).

Again, I'm sorry to hear that happened to you and its upstanding of you to admit that it does influence your views and biases about this. No one, ever, should have to go through such a horrible tragedy.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
I am sorry that happened to you...and I would caution ANYONE on this forum using this information to attack MrV...you will earn an enemy in me if you do.
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I echo these sentiments, MrVicchio. Anyone using that as a way to attack you would instantly become an enemy of mine.
 
Thanks guys, and I appreciate the support. I know that my views are grounded in that of a "victim" and I just... think it's good for me to get it out there.

I have no animosity towards anyone cause they are gay, I just have a personal view of it, and as you are all well aware, I tend to be vocal about what I believe in ;)
 
MrVicchio said:
I suppose that to explain more would be to personal, but let's just put it this way CC, I've been to counciling over this, I've been told by experts I AM gay, and should just embrace it it's okay.
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Just to comment on this with my own bit of personal dirt. When I was 7, my mother came to the realization she was gay, and her and my father divorced. I handled this poorly, and ended up in counseling. The psychiatrist was convinced I was gay as well. This led to a lot of confusion for a few years, till I came to the realization that no, really I am not. I know where her confusion came from, but this does not change the fact that just because psychiatrists or psychologists or councilors think something does not make it right. They are human and make mistakes too.
 
Redress said:
Just to comment on this with my own bit of personal dirt. When I was 7, my mother came to the realization she was gay, and her and my father divorced. I handled this poorly, and ended up in counseling. The psychiatrist was convinced I was gay as well. This led to a lot of confusion for a few years, till I came to the realization that no, really I am not. I know where her confusion came from, but this does not change the fact that just because psychiatrists or psychologists or councilors think something does not make it right. They are human and make mistakes too.
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Was my counselor the only one that was ever right? :lol:
 
I'm not gay, but I am kinky. Can I get some sort of benefits for being a Dom? We are discriminated against...sometimes...
 
jallman said:
Was my counselor the only one that was ever right? :lol:
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Count your blessings. When counselors screw up, they screw up peoples minds, bad. My adolescence and puberty where somewhat surreal due to this woman's mistakes.
 
Redress said:
Just to comment on this with my own bit of personal dirt. When I was 7, my mother came to the realization she was gay, and her and my father divorced. I handled this poorly, and ended up in counseling. The psychiatrist was convinced I was gay as well. This led to a lot of confusion for a few years, till I came to the realization that no, really I am not. I know where her confusion came from, but this does not change the fact that just because psychiatrists or psychologists or councilors think something does not make it right. They are human and make mistakes too.
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They tried to pin a LOT of things on me to explain my emotional mess I was in from GID on down.
 
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