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Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

Should the school have banned the reading of the prayer by the student?

  • Yes

    Votes: 24 27.3%
  • No

    Votes: 60 68.2%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 4.5%

  • Total voters
    88
What I did with regard to the discipline of my children was not subject to Constitutional review, and once more, these are not children...

Yes they are children. Most of them are 17 years old. Legally still a child.
 
They most certainly are children until they are 18. That is when they gain their full rights and status as adults.

What age do you think the majority of HS graduates are?
 
They most certainly are children until they are 18. That is when they gain their full rights and status as adults.

The majority of people are eighteen when they graduate high school.
 
I'm sorry, but just because some may be offended is not a good enough reason to restrict someone's rights as expressed in the Constitution...


Perhaps if we kept in mind the actual impact of said speech we would have a clearer perspective: In this particular case, the student reciting a prayer would have zero impact, just like "wishing upon a star"......................So there appears to be little to justify banning said action, other than the highly credible but legally unenforceable fact that it's just really annoying....................
 
What I did with regard to the discipline of my children was not subject to Constitutional review

But you were violating their rights!
 
Yes they are children. Most of them are 17 years old. Legally still a child.

I graduated at 16, but that was an exception, not the rule. Most are 18 or 19...
 
The thing is, it is not exclusive to anyone because the rules would apply to EVERY religious denomination. Oh, and the state owns public property.

and this State, is it not a government of, by, and for the People, garnering its authority by their consent? Or is this an entity foreign to its citizens, independent from them?
 
Because you might find it offensive, does that mean another person's freedom of speech and religious expression needs to be restricted?


example of what i mean:

you and i standing on the side of a road, and i start to smoke in front of you, do you have a right to make me put it out?..........no, becuase you are not bound to stand next to me, you are free to move away from me go somewhere else.

but if you and i are standing in a public building, and we both have to use the public building, this forces us to come together so our individual business can be transacted, under this situation, you dont have rights to do as you will, becuase other people are involved in that close nit environment.

this means you cant just say anything you want to, you cant have a firearm, hold a prayer service there, you cannot be immune from searches, if your suspected of a crime...so your rights are limited.
 
The majority of people are eighteen when they graduate high school.

Some are 18. The majority would still be 17 since graduation occurs in May which is only 5 months into the new year, unless they stayed back. And even so, they are still obliged to follow school rules.
 
example of what i mean:

you and i standing on the side of a road, and i start to smoke in front of you, do you have a right to make me put it out?..........no, becuase you are not bound to stand next to me, you are free to move away from me go somewhere else.

but if you and i are standing in a public building, and we both have to use the public building, this forces us to come together so our individual business can be transacted, under this situation, you dont have rights to do as you will, becuase other people are involved in that close nit environment.

this means you cant just say anything you want to, you cant have a firearm, hold a prayer service there, you cannot be immune from searches, if your suspected of a crime...so your rights are limited.

No one is forced to attend a HS graduation ceremony...
 
example of what i mean:

you and i standing on the side of a road, and i start to smoke in front of you, do you have a right to make me put it out?..........no, becuase you are not bound to stand next to me, you are free to move away from me go somewhere else.

but if you and i are standing in a public building, and we both have to use the public building, this forces us to come together so our individual business can be transacted, under this situation, you dont have rights to do as you will, becuase other people are involved in that close nit environment.

this means you cant just say anything you want to, you cant have a firearm, hold a prayer service there, you cannot be immune from searches, if your suspected of a crime...so your rights are limited.

Some people have a REAL difficult time with common sense. And seriously, I think these people are upset because they feel as if their religion is being persecuted simply by preventing some obnoxious boy from proselytizing at a school function.
 
No one is forced to attend a HS graduation ceremony...

That's not true. It is to be taken into account that parents will be attendance to watch their children graduate. That would be considered a captive audience. Just as people standing in line at a supermarket.
 
Some people have a REAL difficult time with common sense. And seriously, I think these people are upset because they feel as if their religion is being persecuted simply by preventing some obnoxious boy from proselytizing at a school function.

They dont believe in actual freedom. Just enforcing their views.
 
No most are 17 nowadays.

Okay, let's assume you're correct. What difference does it make? They are either getting ready to go of to college or enter the workforce. They are adults for all practical purposes, but that is not really the point. The point is the government shall make no law regarding the free exercise of religion or freedom of speech. I don't need government to protect me from being offended...
 
Some people have a REAL difficult time with common sense. And seriously, I think these people are upset because they feel as if their religion is being persecuted simply by preventing some obnoxious boy from proselytizing at a school function.


Somehow one gets the impression that this valedictorian was practicing what comes easiest to Christians nowadays--------------Preaching to the converted.........................
 
That's not true. It is to be taken into account that parents will be attendance to watch their children graduate. That would be considered a captive audience. Just as people standing in line at a supermarket.

No, no one is forced to attend any event...
 
Okay, let's assume you're correct. What difference does it make? They are either getting ready to go of to college or enter the workforce. They are adults for all practical purposes, but that is not really the point. The point is the government shall make no law regarding the free exercise of religion or freedom of speech. I don't need government to protect me from being offended...

They are children, and most of high school students behave as such. That is why rules are necessary. Are you really THAT old that you've forgotten what it was to be a teenager, or were you just exceptionally nerdy?
 
They are children, and most of high school students behave as such. That is why rules are necessary. Are you really THAT old that you've forgotten what it was to be a teenager, or were you just exceptionally nerdy?

Age has nothing to do with one's rights, and I've probably broken more "rules" than you can even think of...
 
No one is forced to attend a HS graduation ceremony...

are you forced ...no......but if i have a child as you do, then i have the privilege of going to the graduation like you do, and i cant exercise just any right i want to , becuase there are more people involved, becuase we have come together for a reason, and that reason is not be used as a soapbox for anybody, to do as they please.
 
Age has nothing to do with one's rights, and I've probably broken more "rules" than you can even think of...

YES it does. Children do NOT have the same rights as adults do. Man, you're stubborn as hell. :roll:
 
are you forced ...no......but if i have a child as you do, then i have the privilege of going to the graduation like you do, and i cant exercise just any right i want to , becuase there are more people involved, becuase we have come together for a reason, and that reason is not be used as a soapbox for anybody, to do as they please.

And the class valedictorian has earned the right to address the graduating class...
 
Not blowing anyone off, but I have to log off and run some errands. So TTYL! :2wave:
 
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