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Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

Should the school have banned the reading of the prayer by the student?

  • Yes

    Votes: 24 27.3%
  • No

    Votes: 60 68.2%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 4.5%

  • Total voters
    88
I just think it is funny that you get upset over something that was a joke, as opposed to the personal insults you lash out post after post after post.

nobody is upset LMAO we are laughing at your failure :shrug: huge difference, but please make up more stuff it has become you MO.
 
So a school sponsored event is separate from any other government event? How does that work?

It just so happens that in the military, prayer is more acceptable because of things like soldiers dying. We are talking about a high school graduation ceremony which is sponsored by the school. IOW, there doesn't even HAVE to be a graduation ceremony at all. There is no "right" to free speech under such circumstances. The child who gave the speech most certainly IS a representative of the school, being voted as valedictorian.
 
It just so happens that in the military, prayer is more acceptable because of things like soldiers dying. We are talking about a high school graduation ceremony which is sponsored by the school. IOW, there doesn't even HAVE to be a graduation ceremony at all. There is no "right" to free speech under such circumstances. The child who gave the speech most certainly IS a representative of the school, being voted as valedictorian.

not to mention if one has to ask why the federal government and a school is different they instantly show they simply are not educated on this supbject.

maybe quoting SCOTUS for him will just be easier.

Main article: Hazelwood School District v. Kuhlmeier

The Hazelwood School District case applies the principles set forth in Fraser to curricular matters. In Hazelwood, the Supreme Court upheld a school's decision to censor certain articles in the school newspaper which was produced as part of the school's journalism curriculum. Echoing Fraser, the Supreme Court observed that "[a] school need not tolerate student speech that is inconsistent with 'its basic educational mission' ... even though the government could not censor similar speech outside the school." School authorities and educators do not offend the First Amendment by exercising editorial control over the style and content of student speech in school-sponsored expressive activities so long as their actions are reasonably related to legitimate pedagogical concerns.[7]
 
It just so happens that in the military, prayer is more acceptable because of things like soldiers dying. We are talking about a high school graduation ceremony which is sponsored by the school. IOW, there doesn't even HAVE to be a graduation ceremony at all. There is no "right" to free speech under such circumstances. The child who gave the speech most certainly IS a representative of the school, being voted as valedictorian.

You don't get voted as veledictorian. The highest grades get you that honor.
 
not to mention if one has to ask why the federal government and a school is different they instantly show they simply are not educated on this supbject.

maybe quoting SCOTUS for him will just be easier.

It's kind of strange how people seem to want to let the children have all of this "free speech" in school. What a DISASTER that would be if it were actually practiced. Could you imagine? LOL!
 
It's kind of strange how people seem to want to let the children have all of this "free speech" in school. What a DISASTER that would be if it were actually practiced. Could you imagine? LOL!

not only that childrens rights are already limited because they are . . . . . . . . . . . children.

and yes it would be a disaster of a school system if it had no authority.
 
You don't get voted as veledictorian. The highest grades get you that honor.

Well, obviously I was never a valedictorian. :lol: I was just a lowly average student.
 
not to mention if one has to ask why the federal government and a school is different they instantly show they simply are not educated on this supbject.

maybe quoting SCOTUS for him will just be easier.

You do know that the case you just quoted wouldn't fit the scenario we are discussing correct?
 
Well, obviously I was never a valedictorian. :lol: I was just a lowly average student.

you know whats sad

a many of the local HS around here have multiple valedictorians.

some have 6!

boy and girl Highest honers valedictorians
boy and girl High honors valedictorians
boy and girl honor valedictorians

IMO this is extremely stupid

in my day there was ONE valedictorian. Id be ok with two, boy girl but thats it.
 
You do know that the case you just quoted wouldn't fit the scenario we are discussing correct?

It might be about a different controversy, but it still would count as case law, I believe. Children in school CAN be limited when it comes to free speech is the bottom line.
 
you know whats sad

a many of the local HS around here have multiple valedictorians.

some have 6!

boy and girl Highest honers valedictorians
boy and girl High honors valedictorians
boy and girl honor valedictorians

IMO this is extremely stupid

in my day there was ONE valedictorian. Id be ok with two, boy girl but thats it.

It is stupid. Also, highest honors, high honors and honors. Just stick to highest honors. Everyone else is in the realm of average. :mrgreen:
 
You do know that the case you just quoted wouldn't fit the scenario we are discussing correct?

wrong again but please give me your OPINION why you believe that

because the fact is it fits perfectly because it answers your question why its different (school/government) and it also address the fact that the school COULD sensor things. THIS was the discussion we were having, but i cant wait to see what you make up and how you try to say we were talking about something else lol
 
It might be about a different controversy, but it still would count as case law, I believe. Children in school CAN be limited when it comes to free speech is the bottom line.

My point was the ruling cited was in reference and limited to a school curriculum which a graduation speech is not.
 
wrong again but please give me your OPINION why you believe that

because the fact is it fits perfectly because it answers your question why its different (school/government) and it also address the fact that the school COULD sensor things. THIS was the discussion we were having, but i cant wait to see what you make up and how you try to say we were talking about something else lol

It was limited to pedagogical related censorship. That does not cover a graduation speech.
 
It is stupid. Also, highest honors, high honors and honors. Just stick to highest honors. Everyone else is in the realm of average. :mrgreen:

its a shame and insulting in my opinion

why? because there could be 100 kids that did better than the high honors valedictorian and they get ZERO recognition. So dumb.

Some schools also dropped their honor role to 3.0 and their grade system.

A 91-100
B 80-90
C 70-79
D 60-69

along with that they give letter grades for gym, band etc instead of O S U and those letter grades count against your GPA.

its pathetic
 
My point was the ruling cited was in reference and limited to a school curriculum which a graduation speech is not.

I don't think that matters. It is counted as school still. If you are at any school sponsored events, the same rules apply as if you were in school. The parents of students also have to follow these rules, as do any visitors to the school or any guests at school sponsored public events. There are no exceptions. Sorry.
 
I don't think that matters. It is counted as school still. If you are at any school sponsored events, the same rules apply as if you were in school. The parents of students also have to follow these rules, as do any visitors to the school or any guests at school sponsored public events. There are no exceptions. Sorry.

That wasn't the ruling though. That is your opinion.
 
That wasn't the ruling though. That is your opinion.

Lol! No, that isn't my opinion. That is how it is. You still have to follow school rules when at school sponsored events. Nope, that is not an opinion. That is a fact. Now recognize it! :roll:
 
Lol! No, that isn't my opinion. That is how it is. You still have to follow school rules when at school sponsored events. Nope, that is not an opinion. That is a fact. Now recognize it! :roll:

We aren't discussing school rules. We are discussing whether or not the school should have disallowed the prayer portion of the speech to begin with. So I think we were talking about two different points.

Is there a point to be made about following authority, yes, however, this was not the issue being discussed.
 
We aren't discussing school rules. We are discussing whether or not the school should have disallowed the prayer portion of the speech to begin with. So I think we were talking about two different points.

Is there a point to be made about following authority, yes, however, this was not the issue being discussed.

We are discussing school rules. The kid broke school rules by not submitting his final speech for approval.
 
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