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Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

Should the school have banned the reading of the prayer by the student?

  • Yes

    Votes: 24 27.3%
  • No

    Votes: 60 68.2%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 4.5%

  • Total voters
    88
Well that's not the case with the school. They have to be responsible for the behavior of thousands of students AND deal with the parents and families of those children too.

I actually have no issue with a school system's rules as long as they are not simply for the pc correctness for the sake of being so...
 
I actually have no issue with a school system's rules as long as they are not simply for the pc correctness for the sake of being so...

I just think it's a good idea to avoid the problems that these things cause. School is about getting an education, not learning how to become a rebel against authority. They have to have strict rules and guidelines or else the kids will walk all over them. Everyone knows that high school students are NO angels, valedictorians or not. The school also has to deal with a wide diversity of people who come from different backgrounds and cultures. It only makes sense to leave something as controversial as religion out of school and school activities IMO. And that doesn't mean that I'm dissing religion or free speech. It's all a matter of maintaining some semblance of order and protecting against potential liability issues.
 
Whatever works in your parallel universe.:lamo:lamo:lamo

nope facts links court and law

my opinions have nothing to do with it, if you disagree by all means PLEASE PLEASE provide and factual proof to the contrary

your own court cases supported me LMAO
 
Ban? I would support the school's decision to implement that rule, definitely. Flipping out if the kid ignore said rule? That's a bit silly. The Valedictorian decided to show how little respect he has for his fellow students and faculty by giving them the proverbial finger, so what? A lot of people are a-holes in this world.
 
I just think it's a good idea to avoid the problems that these things cause. School is about getting an education, not learning how to become a rebel against authority. They have to have strict rules and guidelines or else the kids will walk all over them. Everyone knows that high school students are NO angels, valedictorians or not. The school also has to deal with a wide diversity of people who come from different backgrounds and cultures. It only makes sense to leave something as controversial as religion out of school and school activities IMO. And that doesn't mean that I'm dissing religion or free speech. It's all a matter of maintaining some semblance of order and protecting against potential liability issues.

Liability issues are a recent creation of the courts, and IMO are a detraction from the education that the children should otherwise receive. We could go round and round all evening, but it doesn't change the fact that our schools' primary purpose is education, not political correctness.

I'm out, have a good evening...
 
nope facts links court and law

my opinions have nothing to do with it, if you disagree by all means PLEASE PLEASE provide and factual proof to the contrary

your own court cases supported me LMAO

I have already posted a definitive statement of the law in this matter. That shows, in fact, that you are wrong. The matter is closed, your zombie posts notwithstanding.:mrgreen:
 
Liability issues are a recent creation of the courts, and IMO are a detraction from the education that the children should otherwise receive. We could go round and round all evening, but it doesn't change the fact that our schools' primary purpose is education, not political correctness.

I'm out, have a good evening...

Well, as you noted above, they really don't have a choice if they want to avoid issues and spend their money and time concentrating on providing children with a good education.

Recently in a neighboring state to me, there was a plaque removed that had the Lord's Prayer on it. It had been there since the 1950s I believe and was donated to the school. An atheist girl sued the school and the school had to remove it because they just didn't have the money to go to court about it.
 
I have already posted a definitive statement of the law in this matter. That shows, in fact, that you are wrong. The matter is closed, your zombie posts notwithstanding.:mrgreen:

no it did not LMAO why are you lying? not only did it not show i warong it supported my statment and so did some of the case your mentioned that i later quoted :laughat:

the proof isnt going anywhere

like i said if you disagree by all means PLEASE PLEASE provide and factual proof to the contrary but my guess is youll dodge it again lol
 
Here's an article about it. I was mistaken. It had been there since 1963.

Rhode Island Prayer Banner Ruling Will Not Be Appealed, School Panel Decides

Lawyers representing Ahlquist have asked the court to order the city to pay $173,000 for legal fees. Attorney Joseph Cavanagh Jr., who represented the city, said a legal fight in the U.S. 1st Circuit Court of Appeals in Boston and the U.S. Supreme Court would cost another $500,000 in legal fees.
 
no it did not LMAO why are you lying? not only did it not show i warong it supported my statment and so did some of the case your mentioned that i later quoted :laughat:

the proof isnt going anywhere

like i said if you disagree by all means PLEASE PLEASE provide and factual proof to the contrary but my guess is youll dodge it again lol

Already done. You lost.:cool:
 
I have already posted a definitive statement of the law in this matter. That shows, in fact, that you are wrong. The matter is closed, your zombie posts notwithstanding.:mrgreen:

Are you the 22nd century's "It" girl ?...............................
 
40+ pages on some hillbilly in SC doing a prayer. Call me when SC becomes an important state in the union. This is a state that didn't even acknowledge women as voters until the 60s. Give them time. Eventually, they'll join the rest of the world.
 
Already done. You lost.:cool:

exactly what i thought, you dodge it AGAIN

sorry facts disagree with you and proof you wrong
like i said if you disagree by all means PLEASE PLEASE provide and factual proof to the contrary
 
Please don't make us suffer through pages and pages of "I have facts, you have opinions arguments." :roll:
 
exactly what i thought, you dodge it AGAIN

sorry facts disagree with you and proof you wrong
like i said if you disagree by all means PLEASE PLEASE provide and factual proof to the contrary

The proof has already been established. There is no need to restate it. You lost.QED
 
And you are confusing rights with privileges. Of course he has a right to speak his mind just about anywhere else. But he was not in a classroom, on the street, etc. He was given the privileged position of giving a speech to his graduating class. No one else had that opportunity which makes it a privilege.

Rights override privileges most of the time. Don't like what he said, don't have him do it again. Oh wait, he's not going to...
 
The proof has already been established. There is no need to restate it. You lost.QED

thats what I thought another lie and another dodge
the amount of egg on your face is halarious

my statement was 100% true
facts and the thread history prove you wrong again.
like i said if you disagree by all means PLEASE PLEASE provide and factual proof to the contrary
 
Separation from church and state, the valedictorian is in the wrong. Simple as that.

I actually don't think that's true. The valedictorian doesn't work for the school and isn't part of the state. Therefore, is free to pray anytime he or she wants. The school simply can lead one or have a policy of prayer. And I think that is proper for them to not to have.
 
Not from the state there aren't.

Educators are put into a murky position where their political and/or social views aired in public can be interpreted as impacting their teaching ability. It's not out of the ordinary for public comments on a controversial subject by an educator to be met with punishment or investigation. Related to this is being seen with alcoholic beverages and so forth online. The public profile of an educator is fragile and needs to be upheld by the public. Of course, the ACLU stresses that it has to demonstrate an impact on the job, but this merely demonstrates that this is more vulnerable than many other careers.
 
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Of course not. You're free to send your child to CCD, Sunday School or even to a private religious school of your choosing. Funny thing is, they have rules too.

CCD? What's that stand for?

I'm not denying that the school has it's rules.
 
I actually don't think that's true. The valedictorian doesn't work for the school and isn't part of the state. Therefore, is free to pray anytime he or she wants. The school simply can lead one or have a policy of prayer. And I think that is proper for them to not to have.

One has to ask oneself: Is the recent shtik they are on, I mean, the Christians whining about the horribleness of their victim "reality" , not the biggest joke in the history of mankind ?.........................
 
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1st Ammendment rights are often overlooked for Christians. Try to put it the other way around and the liberals throw the book at you.

Actually, I was thinking a similar thing. If he had been told to put a prayer in and refused, you wouldn't have as much to say about his freedom of speech.

That said, I agree that he was free to do as he did.
 
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