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Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

Should the school have banned the reading of the prayer by the student?

  • Yes

    Votes: 24 27.3%

  • No

    Votes: 60 68.2%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 4.5%
  • Total voters
    88
AGENT J said:
yes you can worship and yes you are secure in your person

schools have already lost those battles
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are you saying that hold a worship service on a school without permission from the school?.....or be a suspect to a crime at a school , and be exempt from a search?
 
Who would think someone reciting the Lord's Prayer would be considered almost like a "rebel" though. How ironic. :lol:
 
AlabamaPaul said:
The public's...
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then why can you not then exercise a right to a firearm on the school if its the public's.

public institutions can bar exercisable rights if they chose, we see this with many cases.

my wife's bugging me, now to get off the mac..have to go!
 
ernst barkmann said:
1.)are you saying that hold a worship service on a school without permission from the school?....
2.).or be a suspect to a crime at a school , and be exempt from a search?
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LOL no because thats not what you said why are you trying to be dishonest and change it up


1.)worship can in fact be done in the school and there was recent court cases/drama over Muslims doing it in school since thier religion has multiple pryer times and school had to allow thier own personal worship but of course they couldnt just take over a room and start preaching to everyone

2.) if you are suspect of a crime anywhere you could be subject to a basic search and here in PA they call the COPS to do it if its a crime. But in general NO they cant search you for no reason so you are in fact secure in your person.

maybe next time if you are going to try and reframe and move the goal post ask honest specific questions lol
 
Why can't we all just call it what it is? Certain people are crying because a kid said a culturally relevant and very harmless prayer. The school banned prayer because it was the politically correct thing to do.

Personal interjection: It's sad that we have come to this, maybe we should all have the same hair cut and wear the same exact thing as everybody else so that no one is offended?
 
ernst barkmann said:
then why can you not then exercise a right to a firearm on the school if its the public's.

public institutions can bar exercisable rights if they chose, we see this with many cases.

my wife's bugging me, now to get off the mac..have to go!
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Seeing it doesn't make it right...
 
AGENT J said:
LOL no because thats not what you said why are you trying to be dishonest and change it up


1.)worship can in fact be done in the school and there was recent court cases/drama over Muslims doing it in school since thier religion has multiple pryer times and school had to allow thier own personal worship but of course they couldnt just take over a room and start preaching to everyone

2.) if you are suspect of a crime anywhere you could be subject to a basic search and here in PA they call the COPS to do it if its a crime. But in general NO they cant search you for no reason so you are in fact secure in your person.

maybe next time if you are going to try and reframe and move the goal post ask honest specific questions lol
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why do you always thinks i trying to get over on you, i am not just asking straight forwards question.........crap! wife bugging me again...got to go!
 
ernst barkmann said:
one of the easiest ways to understand this problem and solve it, is to ask this question...................."who's property is this taking place on"?
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Answer the easy question of "who in the heck was harmed whatsoever?"
 
AGENT J said:
no i pointer out your misunderstanding
and thats only your OPINION, something like that can not be determined by you

also note some of the cases you brought up agrees with me and disagrees with you
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Whatever you say.:lamo:lamo:lamo
 
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ernst barkmann said:
are you saying that hold a worship service on a school without permission from the school?.....or be a suspect to a crime at a school , and be exempt from a search?
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Free Speech so long as it isn't advocating an illegal behavior or its purpose to incite hate, or cause turmoil, is universal, doesn't matter where you are.
Prayer doesn't fall under any of these exemptions.

Don't like prayer? Do like the majority of people do. Day dream.
 
Monserrat said:
Why can't we all just call it what it is? Certain people are crying because a kid said a culturally relevant and very harmless prayer. The school banned prayer because it was the politically correct thing to do.

Personal interjection: It's sad that we have come to this, maybe we should all have the same hair cut and wear the same exact thing as everybody else so that no one is offended?
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Of course not. You're free to send your child to CCD, Sunday School or even to a private religious school of your choosing. Funny thing is, they have rules too.
 
I am all for separation of church and state. I am vehemently against school employees leading prayers or speaking in favor or against religion. But I am not going to get worked up over this. This was a student saying the prayer of his own volition. This was the valedictorian and he likely worked his ass off to earn that title, and thus the right to speak. Sure, he broke the rules by going off script. But I don’t think it is that big of a deal. Had the valedictorian been an atheist and decided to beseech his classmates that they don’t need a god to live a good life I would be fine with that as well. Had the principal or some other official done it I would be a different story.
 
Just because someone is a good student DOES NOT mean they can break the rules.
 
ernst barkmann said:
why do you always thinks i trying to get over on you, i am not just asking straight forwards question.........crap! wife bugging me again...got to go!
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because its what you try

you say a person isnt secure in thier person in school, then you say "are you telling me if a person commits a crime they cant be searched" LMAO

while those are two entirely different things and "SCHOOL" has nothing to do with them

so those are not "straight forward questions" ;)
 
AlabamaPaul said:
There would be no USA if rules were not broken... ;)
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Perhaps, but we're talking about 17 year old students here at a school sponsored graduation ceremony. This isn't the Revolutionary War. ;) Do you tell your children to ignore your rules? Probably not because you want to keep order in your household.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
There would be no USA if rules were not broken... ;)
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So, then, explain how Americans became some of the most reactionary people on the planet, besides the Taliban, I mean............................
 
ChrisL said:
Perhaps, but we're talking about 17 year old students here at a school sponsored graduation ceremony. This isn't the Revolutionary War. ;) Do you tell your children to ignore your rules? Probably not because you want to keep order in your household.
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Please get that the focus is not to support breaking rules. It's about not having BS rules in place for the sake of PC, especially in a case like this.
 
ChrisL said:
Perhaps, but we're talking about 17 year old students here at a school sponsored graduation ceremony. This isn't the Revolutionary War. ;) Do you tell your children to ignore your rules? Probably not because you want to keep order in your household.
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I don't give my children rules anymore. They were subject to ours while they lived at home, but since that time has passed, they now set their own...
 
Another way of looking at it is to say that the students really don't have any "rights" at all when it comes to this kind of school sponsored event, since the school really doesn't HAVE to have a graduation ceremony at all. It's all done FOR the kids.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
I don't give my children rules anymore. They were subject to ours while they lived at home, but since that time has passed, they now set their own...
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Well that's not the case with the school. They have to be responsible for the behavior of thousands of students AND deal with the parents and families of those children too.
 
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