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Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

Should the school have banned the reading of the prayer by the student?

  • Yes

    Votes: 24 27.3%

  • No

    Votes: 60 68.2%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 4.5%
  • Total voters
    88
ernst barkmann said:
i believe i am agreeing with you, when a person is on school property ,that person does not have exercisable rights.

he cannot say anything he wants, he cant worship , assembly with anyone he wants, he cant bare a firearm, and he can be searched.
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Since when does where you say something grant the right for any entity to restrict speech?
 
ChrisL said:
Of course they are! Do you want your school's money going to fight lawsuits or to educate your child? WTH?
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What I would like is that they not have to worry about being politically correct and just competently educate the students. That is something that seems to be lacking in today's schools...
 
ernst barkmann said:
1.)i believe i am agreeing with you, when a person is on school property ,that person does not have exercisable rights.

2.)he cannot say anything he wants,
3.)he cant worship
4.) assembly with anyone he wants
5.), he cant bare a firearm
6.) and he can be searched.
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1.) well i dont agree with this blanket statement at all nor is it true
2.) this is true
3.) this is false
4.) this is false its limited
5.) this is true
6.) this is false as his person cant totally be searched at any time for any reason
 
Ikari said:
Lots of things are offensive, there isn't a right to not be offended.
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The school does have a right to protect itself from anything that might be considered a liability, whether that stems from frivolous lawsuits or whatever.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
What I would like is that they not have to worry about being politically correct and just competently educate the students. That is something that seems to be lacking in today's schools...
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That is exactly why they should remain neutral in these matters. Students getting up on the pulpit during a school sponsored event and reciting Christian prayer is NOT neutral.
 
ChrisL said:
The school does have a right to protect itself from anything that might be considered a liability, whether that stems from frivolous lawsuits or whatever.
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Schools should not be in that position to begin with...
 
I can't keep up with all the quotes!!! :lol:
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Since when does where you say something grant the right for any entity to restrict speech?
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its simple, when you are on the property of a school ,business, state property, you no longer have exercisable rights.

can you exercise the 2nd amendment in a school?........no

can you exercise free speech and say anything you want to say.........no

can you bring people into the school and assemble with them, , if the school says no..........no you cant.

when your on school property ,you as a citizen are extended privileges..(not rights) being on that property, and those privileges can be revoked, if you violate them.
 
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ChrisL said:
The school does have a right to protect itself from anything that might be considered a liability, whether that stems from frivolous lawsuits or whatever.
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Perchance, but in general terms I see nothing wrong with what was done. The school may have to take various actions because People in general cannot let anything go and if they feel they are offended they have to make a federal case out of it. As I said before, it is our lack of "live and let live" mentality that has driven the system into the sewer.
 
ChrisL said:
That is exactly why they should remain neutral in these matters. Students getting up on the pulpit during a school sponsored event and reciting Christian prayer is NOT neutral.
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I posted nothing about being neutral...
 
Have you ever been to a party where the host would rather you didn't talk politics or religion. The reason is because a nice occasion can turn into something awkward and contentious. I know, I've talked politics at parties without realizing I could offend someone and have had people steer the conversation away from that, and I really didn't resent them for it.



Mathematician said:
And, unless you're a weak-minded *****, it won't kill your momentum, now will it?
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AlabamaPaul said:
Schools should not be in that position to begin with...
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LOL! If students would follow the rules there wouldn't be any problems. Schools DO have the right to set limits on speech. Kids aren't allowed to curse in school either. Some people are fine with cursing. It doesn't bother them at all. OTH, other people DO find it offensive.
 
ernst barkmann said:
its simple, when you are on the property of a school ,business, state property, you not longer have exercisable rights.

can you exercise the 2nd amendment in a school?........no

can you exercise free speech and say anything you want to say.........no

can you bring people into the school and assemble with them, , if the school says no..........no you cant.

when your on school property ,you as a citizen are extended privileges..(not rights) being on that property, and those privileges can be revoked, if you violate them.
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Ernst, you're becoming a conformist. I never thought I'd see the day that would happen...
 
AGENT J said:
1.) well i dont agree with this blanket statement at all nor is it true
2.) this is true
3.) this is false
4.) this is false its limited
5.) this is true
6.) this is false as his person cant totally be searched at any time for any reason
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1) you have a right to life and liberty on other property, but you dont have exercisable rights.

exercisable rights, are speech, worship, assembly, bare a firearm, secure in your person property.
 
Ikari said:
Perchance, but in general terms I see nothing wrong with what was done. The school may have to take various actions because People in general cannot let anything go and if they feel they are offended they have to make a federal case out of it. As I said before, it is our lack of "live and let live" mentality that has driven the system into the sewer.
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Personally, I don't care if the kid started reading the Bible. I'm just saying that schools do have the right to set rules and boundaries on what is acceptable and what is not at one of their events, at least to an extent, and I believe that reciting prayer from a particular religion would fall under that realm.

Now, if he had just said, I want to thank my God, or whatever, that's another story. He recited a prayer though. That would be considered proselytizing to a captive audience IMO.
 
ChrisL said:
LOL! If students would follow the rules there wouldn't be any problems. Schools DO have the right to set limits on speech. Kids aren't allowed to curse in school either. Some people are fine with cursing. It doesn't bother them at all. OTH, other people DO find it offensive.
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Again, these individuals were not "in school". They were at a graduation ceremony. I have no problem with a student getting his/her ass whipped for breaking school rules, but others do, and that is an issue for myself...
 
ernst barkmann said:
1) you have a right to life and liberty on other property, but you dont have exercisable rights.

exercisable rights, are speech, worship, assembly, bare a firearm, secure in your person property.
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yes you can worship and yes you are secure in your person

schools have already lost those battles
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Again, these individuals were not "in school". They were at a graduation ceremony. I have no problem with a student getting his/her ass whipped for breaking school rules, but others do, and that is an issue for myself...
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Not to violate your privacy, but have you been imbibing ?.............................
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Again, these individuals were not "in school". They were at a graduation ceremony. I have no problem with a student getting his/her ass whipped for breaking school rules, but others do, and that is an issue for myself...
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its a school function already deemed by courts to be under the realm of the school
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Again, these individuals were not "in school". They were at a graduation ceremony. I have no problem with a student getting his/her ass whipped for breaking school rules, but others do, and that is an issue for myself...
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one of the easiest ways to understand this problem and solve it, is to ask this question...................."who's property is this taking place on"?
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Again, these individuals were not "in school". They were at a graduation ceremony. I have no problem with a student getting his/her ass whipped for breaking school rules, but others do, and that is an issue for myself...
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It falls under the jurisdiction of the school because it is a school sponsored event though.
 
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